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id their an offical “CHAT” room to this or is it just posting stuff??
This post is all about comments. lol Lots and Lots of comments
RB I don’t know what forum you are talking about, I was referring to aruba-bb.com where the Natalee forum was closed either yesterday or the day before.
Cautivo -
The one Aruba message board I visited had a single Natalee thread, and was HEAVILY edited.
People who have chosen other destinations for vacations wouldn’t likely visit message boards to announce their decision.
I’m not saying the island isn’t safe, nor am I suggesting it wouldnt be a good place to have fun -
But, you can be sure that the Aruban government and LE will have its head handed to it when Natalee’s parents are interviewed on all of these very popular news programs. The emotional response to a mother grieving her missing daughter, painted against a backdrop of incompetent police and government who continually say nothing more than, “our island is safe” – is not going to increase tourism, I can tell you that with 100% certainty..
The cancellations are going to happen. The choice of other islands for travel and vacation is inevitable and will get worse and worse as this drags on.
It’s not people in the US who have short memories – the press will bleed this story for what it’s worth and move on, but the damage to the island’s name and reputation will be long-lasting.
No school will book a trip to Aruba. None. When the emotional interviews start coming out, the indelible memory of those interviews will cause a great many people to say “Grand Cayman” or “Disney”…
im sorry but im gettting a little upset.. by now i thought this would have been solve….
Hi Rob, only tidbits from our Aruban friends and http://www.riehlworldview.com/
It was pointed out that foxnews.com and cnn.com have stopped posting any breaking news web stuff, just stories about prayers today, awfully quiet, they got burned
I’ve been reading here for a few days and am aghast at the McDonald’s “fast food” we want it now, we deserve to HAVE it now, attitude of many of the posters. The ugly American is certainly alive and well.
I’ve read charges of racisim in another country from people who probably never leave their county, (and from a country where cops beat and shoot black people for being in the wrong place at the wrong time) sanctimonious comments about people you’ve never met and never will, as if you know them. Charges that the investigation is going too slow, drawing and quartering the young men skipping the trial, and even worse accusations about their families and character as if you all sat in their living rooms.
The only reason the FBI went to Aruba is because it’s an out of country issue. The FBI would never be called in to investigate in the U.S. unless there was evidence of interstate travel. The arrogance apparent in the demands that that country allow us to extradite the citizens of another country to the United States harkens back to the dark ages of the cold war when we believed we were nearer to God and better than anyone else. Noriega was captured and brought to the U.S. to stand trial for his crimes against the U.S. (I know the average Joe won’t understand that.)
And the absolutely insane charges that a “chaparone” is somehow responsible for the choices this young lady made are laughable. At the age of 18 a person can tote a gun and die for their country, you’d think they’d be ok traveling abroad. I can’t imagine trying to order an 18 year old around who enjoys full rights of citizenship, and the girls parents could not have prohibited her from going, she’s of age.
The only person responsible for the choices this young woman made is herself. Most young adults make mistakes traveling the rocky road of life, and thankfully most of them don’t have to pay for them with their lives. Sadly this young lady may have.
As the parent of two world traveled young women I can tell you that not only would neither one of them have thought it was cool to get drunk, but they’re also too damm smart to go off with men they don’t know, and incredibly both live on their own, in their own homes and have done so since the age of 18 working and going to school, and amazingly without chaperones and without me hanging over their shoulders. The baby just flew out to california, rented a car, and drove to Cochilla with a girlfriend (19) and despite being beautiful and hit on by lots of men, she came home safe and sound because of the choices she made.
Sheltered kids who have no clue about life, well that’s clearly a parenting issue. Perhaps the former (thank God) deputy wishes to be up his kids ass until their 30?
There’s no evidence these young men harmed Natalie at this point, and it’s STUPID to speculate. When the Aruban law enforcement wishes us to know what happened, should they ever discover what happened, then we will.
In the meantime people would be better off spending their time casting prayers for her family and spending time with your own instead of making the ugly American come to life, yet again. Our media is bad enough and I long for the day when our country will be FORCED to adopt media rules similar to those of Canada and Great Britain where the rights of the victim and the rights of the accused are equally protected until a verdict has been rendered. THE PUBLIC’S right to know can and should NEVER be greater than those of the victim and the accused.
Rob, I think you’re one of millions with the same feeling, not the least of which is the Holloway family…
‘But, you can be sure that the Aruban government and LE will have its head handed to it when Natalee’s parents are interviewed on all of these very popular news programs. ”
Oh yes, indeed. The Katie Couric interview will be seen by quite a few folks tomorrow morning, and where Katie interviews, ABC isn’t far behind.
this is getting out of the realm of believablity….
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NataleeHolloway/chat
Not an official chat room, but a lot of us are using this room!
Good Evening All!
i m going in 13 days..
FOX is airing now
9 th trip…
i cant even imagine this…
Do they have any tracking dogs in Aruba? Have they searched both of the boy’s homes? I hope they are searching other areas than the north end. John Walsh should get down there.
Geraldo’s on live
>>”cautivo…. Good points. I asked my daughter on the phone today if she had been watching the case in Aruba. She said, what case??”
catriana & rick- i think you will find that is the case with many people. for this reason, i agree largely with cautivo that tourism won’t be impacted as much as some may believe. I work in the tourism industry and despite the events of these past 2 weeks have organized a wedding to be held in aruba, as well as various other family vacations to the island. to my knowledge, none of our clients have cancelled their future plans. while what’s happening with natalee is horrible, it’s true that crime happens everywhere and there have probably been more murders and rapes in my small state than on the island of aruba this year.
where is the prime minister?
Lock down on info – from the FBI to the family for 24 hours. I heard that actually on another site but didn’t know if that really was the case.
Actually, as pointed out on FOX last night, most of the so-called Law Enforcement higher ups in Aruba do so as volunteers, as second jobs. They are not professionals by standards of most industrialized nations.
So, putting your faith in them, after what has happened so far, seems a bit foolish to me. So many contradictions, false reports, horrid communication, etc., not to mention the apparent bungling of the investigation from the start, by releasing the three who were LAST SEEN WITH NATALIE, instead of turning the screws, as would have been the case in the US, for instance.
(And yes, Scott Peterson was let go after initial investigation. He’s a different example, and had the three teens been subjected to that kind of interrogation with lie detector, this case would likely been solved by now.)
All IMHO.
THANK YOU MASON! Just like the US crimes are not alwayssolved and much less in 2 weeks time…this can have so much things behind it that we are not aware of…who knows what happened! And I too like your daughters have been free to travel since the age of 13 and have mad eall of my choices have traveled most of europe and caribbean and here i am safe and sound married with 2 beutifulgirls!
Rob, can you be our intrepid reporter on the ground if this is still going . I think, after reading you for 3 days, you would blow away that Rivera dude.
What is Geraldo saying?
It’s not so much the reporter that’s going to move things, it’s the size of the audience. The audience following this story will grow exponentially this week.
Katie’s interview (thanks for the info) – will be seen not only on NBC, but excerpted on news programs and press worldwide.
Natalee’s mother and stepdad bordered on a volcanic outburst at the Aruban government yesterday… the same day the PM promised resolution by today.
I expect things to go quickly downhill from here, failing some sort of confession (this time without retraction.)
tom-
rob should grab a camera
another site said lots of local people continue to search and this must keep police there busier thn usual.
apparently our tourist count has broken the record today…we usually get an average of 1000 oer day it tripplked…so I sadi uyeah but their porbably pre mad etrips , americans usually travelk with atleast a 3 month in advance plan…they said NO many clients they got canceled trips to bardabos,,,jamaica…etc. and cam ehere otehrs made reservations 3 days before! but then again the first 3 days their were reported trip cancelations
Rick, the US is intensely involved in the case. Americans can rest assured that their own personnel are handling any investigation that they feel is needed, in the way they feel is best.
Now I am not going to speculate on whether everybody in Aruba will be pleased about that, but we are talking about mainstream Americans here – not news junkies, not ethnic minorities, not people who disagree with US policies – just regular folks who are vaguely aware that a young girl went missing on an island.
I think you will find that the poster who spoke to a relative who asked “what case?” is not relating a unique experience.
You can visit the travel boards and judge for yourself if there has been a change in the level of activity over the past 30 days.
It is unlikely that Washington will want continued sensational coverage of this story any more than Aruba does. While most media personnel toe the line, there are always mavericks who may be tempted to get a bit nosier than prudence would dictate.
Geraldo was supposed to have Ms. Holloway’s parents on again, and they have been asked by the FBI to cool their jets mediawise for 24 hours. That’s a fairly interesting overall, because the FBI has no juristiction there.
Furthermore, I saw on NBC a few minutes ago a commercial for Today – Katie Couric was supposed to have Ms. Holloway’s mother on tomorrow morning. If what Geraldo is saying is true, then that may not happen, either.
Have been taking my usual and needed Sunday afternoon nap. They proceeded to read all that I had missed. Saw that there is no real news (what a surprise).
But in scanning things quickly I was utterly amazed that here in an environment where little is known, there are so many people that have formed strong opinions. Gosh, it must be nice to be so smart.
No need to wait for information before spouting off, after all facts just tend to get in the way and are often inconvinient.
And what is worse, these opinions often are trashing others. So here we have these vapid and hurtful statements simply hurled out into cyber space without any regard for others. What are you people thinking?
Sorry, had to get that off my chest.. better now.
RE: Mason, FYI, FBI could have several issues which would warrant their involvement. Might want to do little research. As far as rest of post, stopped reading, after your beginning with such flawed information.
Listen up! The authorities probably have 80% of the case cracked but they need to get all of their t’s crossed and i’s dotted because this is going to court. They’re not conducting this investigation to please our curiosity. They’re building a strong case with ample incriminating evidence so that none of the defendants will have the ability to present exculpatory evidence during the trial, consequently making the prosecutor look incompetent because of not giving due dilligence to the investigation.
Rick
Once the MSM besides the 24-7 guys get their cynical hands on this the reaction is going to be interesting. We live in a law & order society where there needs to be a crime, trail and conviction in an hour. That’s with commercials.
The Dutch law and some of the crime investigation is about to be put thru the ringer by the MSM.
The last people who saw Natalee alive are the 3 amigos who cannot put together a story that makes sense.
Mason-
The right of the public to know is derived from the neccesity for public security- we have a right to jump all over Aruban police if we think they are not doing a good job! as long as this crime remains unsolved, there is a clear & present danger to young girls in Aruba & neighbouring countries- for all you know, theres a psycho/kidnapper on the loose!
As for Racism – holding 2 black boys on flimsy charges cannot be interpreted any other way. Maybe there’s a lot more racism in the US but 2 wrongs don’t make a right!
“The Dutch law and some of the crime investigation is about to be put thru the ringer by the MSM. ”
True. NBC started it rolling – where Katie goes, Diane follows…
“Geraldo was supposed to have Ms. Holloway’s parents on again, and they have been asked by the FBI to cool their jets mediawise for 24 hours. That’s a fairly interesting overall, because the FBI has no juristiction there.”
Interesting also in that perhaps something big’s coming after the 24-hour period?
Cautivo –
With all due respect, the Aruba travel boards I’ve seen have been completely edited of Natalee comment, or edited from negative comment – and as such they’re worthless to draw conclusions.
Whether or not Washington or Aruba want coverage is irrelevent… the free press is going after ratings, period. And this story is of interest to millions of Americans and tourists worldwide. It will be discussed at watercoolers the day after each interview airs, at family gaterhings, etc. I’m sure there are Americans who havent yet heard about the case, and I’m sure there are plenty of Americans who never heard of Aruba and who will never visit Aruba.
All of that notwithstanding, people who do read the newspaper, watch television or speak with friends and coworkers about an emotionally-charged murder mystery, the hype of which is only now about to begin – will have the consequence of damaging Aruban tourism going forward.
Looking at bookings from the last 90 days, or even from the last week, isnt relevent…
Look at bookings made in the coming 90 days, and we’ll see if I’m right or not – I expect I will be correct… Failing some miraculous discovery.
Not good PR for an island to have a 17 year old suspected of murder of a tourist outsmart the entire local police force… Not good PR to have the grieving mother of the missing child appear alongside the PR with nothing but contempt for his ‘efforts’ as he promotes tourism…
This is going to get real ugly real fast…
How do you know that LEslie?? no one knows whats going on in those confessino rooms
That Ms. Holloway’s parents are going along with the request to “cool it” for 24 hours may be a good sign. Lets hope there’s a good reason for it.
Kipster – maybe. Something is definitely up though, if in fact the FBI really convinced the family in 24 hours they’d know the truth. I mean think about it – your daughter is missing and you’re furious/frustrated. Someone who have to give you something pretty over the top to make you not apply more pressure.
Bill – Great Minds….
“… if in fact the FBI really convinced the family in 24 hours they’d know the truth.”
That’s not what was said. The family was asked to “cool their jets for 24 hours”
And it’s not just interest in America – look at the cover of Hollands THE TELEGRAPH:
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/images/telegraaf.JPG
I hope youre right Bill and RB – not getting my hopes up though after all the contradictions so far… so many false stories and false starts. Have never seen anything like this..
very strange story but i know the lady that was at the gas station that apparently said Natalee was their and caught her on tape but the parebnts said it wasnt her….she is 99.9999% sure it was her and that the parents acted very “strangely” with the whole thing
I doubt the case is anywhere near ‘cracked’ – If it were, they wouldnt have gone on a dig at the lighthouse in the past 24 hours where nothing was turned up…
Bon nochi to all…..
Bon NOchi!
Rick, you can certainly make the argument that the administrators of the travel boards do not feel that their forums are the appropriate place for discussion of a specific criminal incident. That is just common sense. I am suggesting that you compare the posts about people planning to visit Aruba over the past 30 days, and you will find that that area of discussion has not shown a sharp dropoff.
While the administrators of this board have generously allowed us all to discuss the case, boards whose primary function is essentially to provide free classifieds for people seeking and offering timeshares and other information pertinent to travel and lesiure – why should they sacrifice their bandwidth to discussions of this case?
I don’t think that it can be over-emphasized that the FBI, and possibly other US agencies, are involved in the case, and have been since the beginning, thus criticism of how it is being handled, Americans might wish to pause a bit before rushing in with their complaints – unless their intention is to be critical of US operations, and in my experience, a very very small minority of Americans would fall into that category.
“That’s not what was said. The family was asked to “cool their jets for 24 hours” ”
I was inferring, forgive me. I was attempting to propose a “why” that could compel them to do so, a “why” being currently bandied about on journalism subscription sites.
The story of the blonde in baseball cap on video tape was already confirmed to be another person, an island resident.
G’ nite Native. Thanks
Good Night Native
Bon dia!! 3.25 in the morning here
John said this girl was raped. How does he or anyone else know that? What if she overdosed?? From all reports she was drunk according to friends and witnesses. Yet many said she never drank and was an honor student (the reverse side of the boy’s image). What if she wanted to indulge in drugs and pursued these guys. Anyone who thinks girls dressing provocatively and getting into a car at 1 in the AM with 3 guys on an island is not sending a message of availability is being absurd.
We’ve seen many cases where the supposed victim was not. Let’s see how this turns out. No doubt she indulged in stupid high risk behavior.
AmericaninAruba, why didn’t the lady at the gas station grab on to her. With a $55k reward, I’d have thrown a net over this girl if I was 99.9999% sure it was Natalee.
“I don’t think that it can be over-emphasized that the FBI, and possibly other US agencies, are involved in the case, and have been since the beginning”
Not since the beginning. Only since last week.
I’m saying Bon noch as in “good evening” not good night…….just got here
Yes very good point.We need to really understand that it isnt because this is being handled in Aruba doesnt meen nothign “correct” is being done…its just that thier law is different so their manner of going abou tthings is different to what were acustomed too…no one said our way is the rite way…and no one said theirs is either….but BOTH ways are being used on this case but ofcourse legally one is being administered to the gov’t but the FBI has been on this since day1
Bon Dia Miss B
In that case welcome
HI all, been off eating dinner and getting my kids to bed. Any new news?
Que onda ese…vatos locos…bon nochi!!
3 FBI agents arrived with the mother ion the island on monday…..and thelady couldnt grab her becuase she had just been in a motrocylcel accident and couldnt get over hte counter she yelled to the guy outside to run aftert her but by the time he got to her she got in a car and left…and unfortunately the retard guy didnt get the license #
Booya, bo ta bay caba??
Prime Minister holds news conferences without news. Sounds like someone buying time. What’s up??? Maybe part of investigation tactic or time to get the spin docs typing faster.?
“3 FBI agents arrived with the mother ion the island on monday”
Mother has been there for 14 days.
RB you can be confident that every aspect of US involvement, from scale to timeline to operational details, are a result of decisions made by American officials.
No, bon nochi …mi kier a bisa igualmente
Cautivo –
You’re drawing conclusions about Aruba toursim from an Aruba tourist board which has removed thousands of posts, and banned negative posting. (THis was the case on the board I visited yesterday.) One poster did get through and ask, “Why was my negative post removed?” – So, believe what you want about posts there, but to me, the board has no credibility and could be a single person hyping the country, people who’ve already booked and have no intention of changing plans, etc. For me, there’s no news there.
As far as I know, the FBI wasn’t called in immediately – they were called in following the release of the teens.
Since then your Police Commissioner is quoted in the press as saying there is a confession and that a teen is leading the police to a body. Others in the government denied this. These reports are coming from your government, your police – not the US FBI – and as such, they deserve any criticism leveled at them.
Yesterday evening’s interview had Natalee’s parents barely containing their disdain for Aruban authorities, and the PM appears to have been ‘spinning’ when he told Geraldo that there would be resolution today.
So, yes, there is some assistance being provided by the US FBI, but it seems they are helping the Three Stooges solve a crime they bungled in the first place.
But maybe I’m wrong. I doubt it though.
Yes Well the same monday morning that she was reported missing…the mother arrived that monday evening on a private jet with 3 FBI agents
Parents all but said that the Aruba government was covering for the boys. I have to agree. It looks like Aruba is looking out for their own and not for justice. I would advise people not to travel to Aruba.
“RB you can be confident that every aspect of US involvement, from scale to timeline to operational details, are a result of decisions made by American officials. ”
Sorry, I won’t be taking your word for that. Not when I’m a position to know better.
Booya, what are you still doing here? Didn’t you have a date with Geraldo tonight? Something about a fruity drink with an umbrella involved?
Rick, right on….It’s just everyone getting their story straight…not something those officials do well apparently on an international level.
The lawyers go tomorrow to get gaurds out…things will go nuts if the reason to continue to hold them are flimsy…
On reihle site there is a photo comparing Arubas pm to the Iraq Minister of (mis) Information…what ever did happen to him?
W. Brown, if Joe Schmuck goes missing from Podunk Idaho the FBI is not going to be called in on the case unless there is evidence of interstate commerce, a ransom has been demanded, or there’s evidence of foul play involving a child and interstate commerce. Believe it or not the local police usually handle such issues.
As for demanding justice for a U.S. citizen held in another country? Where were all you maniacs when that young Aussie lady was being sentenced to 20 years or a firing squad in an Indonesian prison in what is most certainly a set up.
http://www.gabriellereillyweekly.com/gabrielle_reilly/australian_community_service/schapelle_corby.htm
http://www.schapellecorby.com.au/newsblog/?page_id=5
Americans have more to fear in the big bad world than teenagers who drink. Our homeland security act has made it impossible for Americans to protect our luggage from being opened when we travel abroad. Used to be we could saran wrap our suitcases when traveling to high risk areas such as Indonesia, Central and South American, now we can’t even lock them and are at the mercy of baggage handlers who may or may not be honest.
In case the person who mentioned racisim didn’t know, the two suriname chaps would most certainly NOT be considered white. In fact in many societies they would be and and have been considered and called black.
Jim thank you very much for that advice. You have no idea how much it means to me.
I would advise people not to travel to Dallas Texas, JFK assasination site. Too much cover up being the norm there. You might get hit by a stray bullet from a Manlicher Charcano assualt rifle
Actually a better reason to avoid Dallas is that it’s flat and hot
With no beach!
Friend of Micky
He is consulting with Booz Allen
“It looks like Aruba is looking out for their own and not for justice. I would advise people not to travel to Aruba. ”
if aruba was lookign out for their own they wouldnt have allowed FBI agents to get involved and let more agents come in throughout the investigation, and Aruba is not to blame fo rwaht is happening…the criminals are, its like saying NEVER go to New YOrk a tourist was shot in the chest yesterday DON TGO TO New YOrk! again its not New YOrks fault its the criminals!
Come on guys. Go to Aruba, get raped and murdered. Then have the police cover for the criminals. Is it really somewhere you want to visit?
Friend of Mickey –
“Baghdad Bob” is in US custody… AFAIK. Very funny to compare his spinning abilities to Aruba’s PM, IMO. I just knew it would be a tourism speech today… and his words yesterday rang very hollow when I heard them…
Well I am going to spend my vacation there for 6 weeks! It’s better going there then to a country were at anytime they can crash a plane into buildings killing thousands!
HEY! I live in Dallas! THanks a lot! But…it *is* flat and hot. And we don’t have a beach either. Dammit. LOL!
Mother: three young detainees know what happened to missing teen
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The mother of a missing Alabama teenager said Sunday that she believes three young men who were with her daughter the day of her disappearance know what happened to her, and Aruban authorities should pressure them to reveal the information.
Beth Holloway Twitty, 44, also said she thought that two former hotel security guards detained in connection with the disappearance of 18-year-old Natalee Holloway were innocent and should be released.
“All three of those boys know what happened to her. They all know what they did with her that night,” Twitty said during a 45-minute, one-on-one interview with The Associated Press in her hotel room at the Holiday Inn, the same hotel where Natalee was staying before she disappeared on May 30.
Twitty declined to say what she thought the boys had done or whether she thought her daughter was still alive. She said the most important thing now was to find Natalee.
The three young men – the son of a Dutch justice ministry official and two Surinamese brothers – have told police they brought Natalee Holloway to a lighthouse at Arisha beach then dropped her off at her hotel before 2 a.m. the day she disappeared. The two Surinamese brothers also told police that Natalee and the Dutch boy had been kissing in the back seat of the car.
Twitty said she met the three young men within 12 hours of Natalee’s disappearance and she said it surprised her that it took authorities more than a week to detain them. Twitty said if she does not see results soon in the case, she might start to believe that authorities are trying to protect the young detainees.
Authorities have said they are pursuing all leads, while Prime Minister Nelson Oduber has said that “no one stands above the law” on the island.
Natalee Holloway vanished hours before she was expected at the airport May 30 to end a five-day trip to the Dutch Caribbean island with 124 classmates and seven chaperones celebrating their graduation from Mountain Brook High School, near Birmingham, Ala. Her U.S. passport and packed bags were found in her hotel room.
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Also, mother to be interviewed by Katy Couric tomorrow. I believe I read the time as 7.45 AM EST. That aside, the mother and step father, Jug, sounded pretty bad yesterday on Geraldo. Granted, they were distraught, but much of that they (and Geraldo) said was speculation. Some of it (specifically Geraldo) was later proven false. Additionally, when they broke to the tropical depression story. Geraldo was clueless, listing wind speads as “possibly 70 MPH” He is a joke. The Twitty family should follow the same manipiilative tactives that the Smarts used in Utah. *They* got *their* daughter back. Another family who manipulated the press well was the Colorado beauty queen child’s famil, the one who was murdered Christmas. My point is that Dave Holloway, the paternal father, is the only family member so far who recognizes that “silence is golden”
“Aruba was lookign out for their own they wouldnt have allowed FBI agents to get involved”
As Arubagirl and I discussed this am, Aruba didn’t decide anything. Holland did.
Here we go again….
Rick & Jim…..there is NO cover up….. please be patient and have faith…..
Geraldo and Nel Oduber(prime minister) are out on a booze cruise doing body shots off each others hairy chest” Mr. Oduber…Geraldo here…are you a libra or szzcorpio???”
Hi all, anything new?
K in TX – Can’t fault me for telling the truth.
Build a beach, will you?
Rick, I thank you for your gracious gesture in making me the gift of a police commissioner, however, he is not mine.
Again, I am not discussing the messages about Natalee, I am suggesting that you review the messages that are *not* about her, rather about visiting Aruba.
And I will again remind you that it is the US who is calling the shots here. If you are suggesting that Washington will wish Americans to cease visiting Aruba, I am not privy to those particular plans, and will defer to your superior knowledge on the subject.
What I am saying is that it is not really up to Aruba one way or the other, and the facts on the ground have rendered Aruba-bashing as not rhetorically possible, unless you wish to complain about sand quality or too many rainy days.
there were more rapes and murders in Miami (2) this week than it’s happened in Aruba in 2 years… come on guys, get real…. this can happen anywhere…. .wrong place, wrong time……. Pray for Natalee… Pray for Dave and Beth….. and most of all, pray that we are all learning from this….and talking to our children…
Native, I’ve had faith for 2 weeks. My faith in your incompetent police force is over with. Let’s get some professionals in to do the job and let your “police” get back to serving us drinks on the beach.
Go to New York, where buildings get attacked by airplanes.
Yes, it’s harsh. Yes, it’s extreme. Deal with it. Because I’m done with being polite.
LOL Booya….
Well, if there is a cover up and those boys go free, and everyone knows it…well, they’re definitely going to have to watch their back in da club…life isn’t going to be much fun for them from here on out that is for sure…the pimp business is closed…
Jim: As I won’t be going to anywhere for at least 6 weeks. I suspect that I can wait and let FACTS determine where I will go on vaction. I happen to like Aruba, and the Aruban people. Until FACTS tell me otherwise, I will trust that this is going as well as reasonably possible. But thank you for your well informed opinion.
Americaninaruba-howeverwell planned the gas station thing was to keep everyone looking -to distract/buy time……please say you are not that gullible…..Funny, couldn’t see her face…probably in a real small local store in like sint nicholas??? Wake up-
no offense intended
aruba girl-stillsick…?
“And I will again remind you that it is the US who is calling the shots here. If you are suggesting that Washington will wish Americans to cease visiting Aruba, I am not privy to those particular plans, and will defer to your superior knowledge on the subject.”
Please provide some proof this is happening – it’s the 3rd time you’ve said it.
Just liek The mother had to request permission for the FBI to go to ARuba (its us tax payers that are poaying fo rthem) the same it was upon request of the PM that FBI agents are here
Rogers, enjoy the trip. Make sure to keep an eye on your teenage daughters though.
Argue all you want about what’s more dangerous, which country is safer. At the end of the day, Aruba, with two murders/year is certainly safer. No question.
The question is, when people open their wallets and choose a travel destination in the islands, where are they likely going to go down the line?
If Joran and his buddies are “innocent” then there’s a murderer of tourists on the loose. And a shapr police team that cant ‘crack’ the story of three knucklehead drunk kiddie poseurs… and a PM that makes false promises on resolving a criminal case.. etc..
It’s more about PR than reality.
And Aruba’s PR is about to take a massive nosedive once these interviews start airing worldwide. Releasing the three primary suspects is going to bite them in the ass. (yeah, Scott Peterson, yada yada yada)
Bon bisa arubagirl!!!!!
Jim….. as I told you yesterday………remember the SCOTT PETERSON case??????
Were you also on boards THEN loosing faith and patience????
Rick, don’t go by Aruba’s numbers. Almost every vacation spot will fudge their numbers. Let’s be honest, there are probably more murders, but the incompetent police can’t figure them out.
To Mason, just because your girls never had the misfortune of being a target of crime isn’t because you are such a great parent and they made good decisions, it’s because of luck. Many a young lady did everything right and are were still brutally murdered, And I don’t think Polly Klass did anything to cause her death. You are either very naive or stupid. How do you know they didn’t give her something that impaired her judgement that night. Baseball players in my community did the same thing to young girls and filmed it for years until finally caught and the girls never knew what happened until they saw the films.
From the little info we know we are supposed to believe that after 1:10 or was it 1:30 AM the 3 boys were in the car with an intoxicated Natalee and the van der Sloot boy in the back seat and he was touching her “intimately”. They drove to the beach and the brothers did not get out of the car and neither did the two in the back seat. “Never” they said. Then we hear that the 3 boys had some kind of sexual interaction with her. Where in the back seat of the car? with the beach right there and they didnt leave the car. Does she seem like girl who would allow a foursome with guys she hardly knew the night before she was going home? Then when all the sexual activity was over they drove her back to her hotel and she “refused to get out of the car.” This was 2 AM – less than an hour after leaving the bar. At this point she was stumbling drunk and young van der Sloot walked her toward the entrance of the hotel then left her, but not before he saw a black man approaching her and she told the man that she didn’t need help. At that point the young gentlemen must have driven away because the story ends there.
There is no evidence that Natalee was dropped off in front of her hotel.
it does appear that the media have finally learned their lesson and are actually not going to break any stories without it coming from the family….. nice post about Dave…I know his family well… He is a good man…… there was a picture of he and his wife Robin at one of the prayer vigils earlier this week where you can see the pain in his eyes…. I think it was on http://www.nbc13.com from birmingham……. Dave has been silent… because he has been overseeing most of the search efforts… renting vehicles and going house to house with his daughters picture… he hasn’t had time to speak to the media….
booya
you are funny
thanks for a little lightness on the subject
Jay Leno will probably come on later and steal your stuff!
I think that Arubagirl and American in Aruba are either plants from the Aruban government, serving as PR agents, or have some axe to grind, other than the dissemination of information.
Please, Tom. Cut them off. They have added nothing to the discussion.
Who really gives a crap what the Arubans think of Americans, or about American media. That is not the point. The point is that this blog site has been set up to share information, as it breaks (or doesn’t break).
Oh, and by the way, if you can’t post in English, why don’t you find your own message board? Wouldn’t that be fair? N’est ce pas?
the tape showed mor ehtan what was publushes…again were just onlookers we are not given all information…and again the lady wasnt looking through the camera she was attending her
BREAKING NEWS FOX- Geraldo and Nel Oduber have just bum rushed the driver of a The Palm Tours bus and have picked up justice minister Rudy Croes. They’re all high as a kite on rum Palmera and are doing doughnuts and burn outs in the Carlos and Charlies parking lot.
Yeah, please cut these Arubans from the board. Their pathetic conspiracy theories about sightings of the girl are about as credible as the police working on the case. I would not doubt they are plants from Aruba trying to hide the truth.
“Let’s be honest, there are probably more murders, but the incompetent police can’t figure them out. ”
It does make you wonder, doesn’t it?
How come they haven’t used lumanol (sp) in the car or the clothes they wore that night to see if they cleaned up blood.
Larry, I didn’t start attacking any country, MY country is being attacked by IDIOTS.
PR from the government? Sure, Larry, that’s why I was sitting here until 3 am Sat. morning. The government doesn’t have enough money to do this.
Idiot.
Leslie where are you hearing that she was sexually involved with all three? ALl of the reports i’ve heard are only mentioning that she made out with Joren in the back seat.
“Jim….. as I told you yesterday………remember the SCOTT PETERSON case??????”
Weird you bring that up – an associate of mine made a rather dismal observation regarding a “what if” Scott had taken his wife to Aruba…
The PM said, (for what THAT”S worth) that the FBI is assisting ARUBAN authorities at their request and that ARUBA would ask for assistance shoud it need it.
He went out of his way to make the point that ARUBA was heading this investigation, and that the FBI was their at Aruba’s invitation and only to provide assistance.
I haven’t heard ONE quote from a US FBI agent, but have read and heard numerous contradictory quotes from the Aruba authorities…
So, I’m not so sure you’re right when you say the US is running the show… What I’ve read suggests the opposite..
I also think the FBI would have done more to work with the family than Aruba has. The Holloways have been left completely in the dark by Aruba – that, according to the Holloways on Fox last night.
Larry,
Aruba Girl and American in Aruba have been fantastic. These two have added so much to the conversation, done favors for us, listened for hours to the local media translating papiamento for us that you will never know.
There has been alot of Aruba bashing on the site, and they are defending their country that they love.
I will stand with these two by my side any day.
Tom
Larry…ever heard of the words “democracy”and “freedom of speech”?????
This case is getting out of hand for Aruba…it is beginning to look like a cover -up for the rich kid, racism, and a lack of competence by the Arubian government. I felt bad for hard working Arubians, now I am begiing to feel the country is corrupt.
I felt an isolate act of violence would not hurt Aruba…now unless they are truely “dotting their i’s” they have/are causing major damage to the US relationship.
I do not think they have anything or they would have Natalee. The boys did it and their let them run free…and now there is no pressure to get them to talk…because rich kids know they “can get away with murder”.
It time to come clean Aruba or America will go elsewhere…
curious, they let the suspects go for 2 weeks. The evidence they could have got is probably gone. And Lumanol? The Aruba police can’t tell the difference in blood and grape juice.
I am postin gin english and no i am no tpart of the gov’t PR i cant even vote here…thank you very much…..and what do you want me to say..OH YES SHES DEAD NO ONE EVER COME HERE AGAIN??!!!…well no i wont say that becuase i truly believe shes still alive and this is my home now…..and let me tell you somethign the 2 murders occured its true those were the only two…this is not like the US where the mornign news beginsd “OH YES GOOD MORNING TODAY GREAT NEWS! ONLY 10 MURDERS LAST NIGHT….” NO that is not aruba…when those 2 murderes occured the whole community was distraught and scared get a life and stop defending coutnries this has nothing to do with the country this has to do wiht a CRIMINAL or KIDNAP
And Larry , this board is not a democracy. It is Reds and Mine. Very ugly thing to say, but it is our house and I expect you to be polite or leave.
These are our friends you have come in to our house and abused. Not wise.
Geraldo has an update in a few… I’m sure he will come out of left field with something for this board
Arubagirl, I have gone through 50 of your postings, and all I hear is a rant about American attitudes and American media meddling. Why don’t you find some other way of amusing yourself?
If you have some information about this case to share, or if you have some critique of the information we have been given, please offer it (in English). Otherwise, stop wasting our time.
Jim…are you being sarcastic or just plain ignorant??? Why do you think the FBI is here? Vacation????? Get real!
Geraldo has figured out more information in 2 days than the Police have in 2 weeks. Let’s not go bashing Geraldo.
Tom – you’re right about Arubagirl. We don’t see eye to eye all the time (she called me uneducated and fool) but I still respect her nonetheless. Pkus, she’s been fabola about translating her PM’s speech, something I think pained her to do since she admits she doesn’t like him much. I can understand why you support her.
I don’t believe America will go elsewhere. I think the people of Aruba have been very gracious and bent over backwards to help. They were unprepared for such a travesty and we in the US are overprepared because this kind of crap happens so often!
Bye Bye Larry, Time to show you the door.
FBI is there for testing. If the FBI was handling the case, it would have been solved.
Arubagirl and NativeLingo. I apologise. Amoung my friends, I do not know this many stupid Americans. Really, I don’t.
Please hang in there, if not on this board.
Back from dinner…watched the FOX report…nothing new (no shocker there). Although I am still amazed that blood samples removed from a vehicle turned out to be “something else”.
Oh Larry, I guess that’s why You’re here, right, to offer info?
Also, my last post was pissed off, the ones before that translating the PM’s speech, and commenting on what an idiot he is.
Really, Larry, learn to read.
Geraldo can’t do his report at 10:00; he’s on a winning streak playing shuffle board competing against some old geezer named Gertrude
The FBI has done all forensic work and all DNA has been sent to the FBI offices for testing…we do not have those facilities here that is why FBI is doing it all…please stop with this bashing thing its making me embarressed to show my face as an american residing here!
Jim,
Because of this, Aruba will be the safest island on the planet, including deserted ones. Forget about the police, there will be countless eyeballs looking for anything out of the ordinary. I just hope it doesn’t change the the personality of the island’s free Dutch-like attitude.
Booya, how about one with Geraldo inside of C&C’s?
to the aruba-heads….yes there are far more murders in the US….um, we are about 5 billions times larger also. so your point is baseless.
Okay, everyone, please leave the Arubans alone–they have been with us from the beginning and have been extremely, extremely kind and helpful. If you can’t interpret what they say, don’t get on their case…take it as an opportunity to learn something new–there are translator sites all over the internet.
Also, Aruba posters, thank you so much for your assistance–don’t let a few bad apples take you away from us…
It is a shame that people have to be so ugly–apparently they are bored with themselves and need to make their light brighter by trying to diminish others’.
Take care.
lol… Jim you are actually probably correct…. I only pray that they are building this case and trying to cover every detail…. the family was told on Friday night BY THE FBI that there was a confession….. why on earth is it taking this long to announce that it’s murder?? my only guess is that they are using the “accidental” death confession…… and the country is scared to death to announce that there is a valid defense…. just thinking out loud…
p.s. as of 9pm, the family hasn’t heard any new news all day…
Well, Rick, if you are suggesting that it is the policy of the United States to defer to other governments in cases where it is felt that US interests are best served by the deployment of security and/or military/ law enforcement personnel, I would have to say that I do not share that perception, and I will venture to say that few around the world would agree with your view on that.
Aruba is a small island, a dependency of the Netherlands, and I am not of the opinion that either Aruba or the Netherlands is well-positioned to mount significant opposition when the US, for whatever reason, chooses to impose its will.
“The FBI has done all forensic work and all DNA has been sent to the FBI offices for testing…”
It’s also been send to Holland, a fact confirmed by the Justice Minister last night on Fox.
Yes, Jim, long live the FBI, they will always solve everything in two weeks. Where do you guys get this attitude? I’m asking this in all honesty. Where?!
If these three guys did it…they sure did cover their tracks well…almost too well…I hope they break soon, because the ball is definitely in their court….
Neither one of my kids would have been STUPID enough to drink or take a drink or leave a drink sitting when anyone could put something into it, they grew up drinking wine and champagne at home so it wasn’t a big fat hairy deal when their friends said OMG we can drink. My kids yawned.
Awareness and training and let’s face it, street savy smart kids versus sheltered protected and guarded kids. And both my girls value themselves far too much to engage in sexual activity with strangers let alone get in a car with people they don’t know. I guess growing up traveling and living all over the world has given them a gift far greater than the white bread never leave home without it sheltered kids.
It’s arrogant for anyone to assume that the Aruban police and other agencies are not doing their job. Just because you don’t have Nasty Grace’s flaring nostrils on your TV set giving you a blow by blow (and most of it wrong anyway) accounts of the spots on Jackson’s penis you feel cheated of the details. Face it, you all are less worried about justice than you are angry because you feel like you’re missing out on all the gory details…you’re angry because you can’t get all the titillating details so you can get even more angry. It’s disgusting.
But yet you compare everything that happens in the U.S. with us. For God’s sake, at least be consistent.
is the blood in his car from the dog that bled on the mattress?? is there an animal sacrifice cult there?
THANK YOU TOM!!
tom
good bye larry
thanx
Sharon, I don’t think people are bashing Arubans, just the police. I’ve bashed our judicial system at times, I think it is good. If we don’t question the powers that guide us, we fall into corrupt systems.
Anyone hear anything on a possible kidnapping and ransom? I’ve heard rumors of such. Anyone else?
Total silence on that, Cat.
Jim The FBI could explain to them about lumanol and they could learn something new. I will bring it to them if needed, I just want the family to have closure on this.
I would have to agree.
Aruba Girl and American in Aruba offer opinions that no American can not being in Aruba.
I have heard that people have issues with the Aruba.com posting board because of censorship. We only do that when people are trolls and offer zero to the discussion.
These guys have done so great work for us translating, news gathering, etc.
thank you for your help in this.
arubagirl, the FBI are experts. Although they aren’t perfect, they have the best resources and technology in the world.
I guess I believe that they would have solved this because this is a pretty easy case to solve arubagirl. Cases like this in the US get solved very quickly. They also don’t let the prime suspects go without getting evidence.
“Yes, Jim, long live the FBI, they will always solve everything in two weeks”
Actually, Arubagirl, they do solve some of these types of cases in 2 weeks. Let’s put it this way, the FBI has quite a bit more resources from a forensics perspective than Aruba does – even with Holland in the picture. They just have more experience, that’s all.
Thanks Aruba Girl!
I haven’t seen anyone bashing Aruba or it’s citizens…..but rather the elite, select few that seem to run the country in bumbling fashion, at the very least, when it comes to a high profile murder case (which is what this is) where they have clearly blown giving more liency and protection to the wealthy elistist while grossly depriving basic civil rights of the black gaurds.
Has anyone in South America or the neighboring islands been looking for her, even if for just the reward? Does anyone know if she is getting press there?
curious, I don’t think the police wants to solve the case. Something tells me that these kids have a little more power in the government than we all thought.
I’m totally behind here, but Booya, you are KILLING me! I’m cracking up!
Said it before, but one more time… The idea that vacationers in any significant number will stop visiting Aruba because of this one case is just SILLY. Furthermore, Aruba is still among the safest, if not the safest Carribean destinations.
There may be better travel education amd/orsupervision of high school grad trips going forward, though. I’m all for that.
It’s arrogant to think your kids will never do anything stupid. I was a good kid and did dumb things. I have a great kid and he has made some bad decisions. My gosh, open your eyes. Kids are going to experiment, and make some wrong moves. Anyone who thinks that “their” kids will never do anything needs to get their heads out of the sand.
Cat – I did but it’s a rumor. Media won’t touch it, unless Geraldo does tonight and there’s speculation he may.
No I haven’t heard aything about kidnapping although during Geraldo he was asked if they are sure that Natalee didn’t just “run away”
curious, the answer lies with those 3 kids. I don’t think we should be wasting resources on conspiracy theories. These kids have lied and not been honest with police. They hold the keys.
Rogers, I lived in the states for MANNNNY years…never encountered one single american like some of the folks I ran into this virtual world……
my guess is that when jackson jury calls in tomorrow guards released/mobbed by press/timely with sudden announcement of body discovered or huge confession(in english and dutch and papiamento/
Then pm goes on previously planned trip to….Tahiti??There should be some press to video the mass exodus of police/govt offivials.
At least our cops just don’t start randomly shooting at some poor black guy.
Three guesses where this DID happen.
Hello Bruno….
Bill, adults won’t stop visiting Aruba. But I guarantee parents will think twice about sending their kids.
Well I dont understand..I know the FBI is one of the BEST their is…why has this taken so long??being that YES they are side by side with the police here….and that about the family not getting any info??Just like we get the info they get it becuase all news is beign translated to english for everyone…so that i believe to not be true…unless you ahve spoklen to the family…
Amen, Native, amen.
One thing you learn about me,
I take care of my own, come into my house and be polite, even politely disagreeable, you can stay forever. Be rude to others after a polite warning that you are out of line?
Bu Bye
Your welcome.
Tom
MSNBC- Geraldo Rivera has just been arrested soliciting sex from an undercover Aruban police official. His response “dizzz izz rediculouzz”
Jim, I swear, if we get a fewer drunk girls going crazy in Carlos and Charlie’s, no one is going to loose sleep over this.
Except perhaps the manager of Carlos & Charlie’s.
Holloway’s mother says the charges agains the two guards should be dropped.
Who here has sore hands. You folks are typing at an incredible rate.
T
Booya, heeheee. He probably drew a map to where he was at.
“The idea that vacationers in any significant number will stop visiting Aruba because of this one case is just SILLY. ”
The US public impacted France after France’s not-so-flattering-comments about us WRT Iraq. That impact was measured and felt in France from both their exports to the US and incoming tourism was felt for several years. It is possible if this hits the MSM that Aruba will feel some impact, particularly toward fall.
Cautivo -
It wasn’t my perception; it was the words of your PM and LE that they were running the show, that the FBI was there merely to assist, provide a dive team, run tests, etc.
If the FBI were running things, the case would have been solved. They would not have released the three without a thorough investigation and lie detector.
Geraldo is on now…
We just want to know what’s going on … I do not believe that total silence is to protect the innocent…they held the two security guards for two weeks and never let us know why…some honest reason would help with credibility…now it looks like they had no reason other than the “boys” say so…
Now they have had the boys in jail but no inforamtion except to say that they are at a critical point…what does that mean…
It appears like a cover-up – why the censorship? A bad thing here in the US – is this a communist state?
arubagirl, your economy won’t like it if kids don’t go down to party.
Is Carlos and Charlies really all that shady of a place Arubagirl?
RB
Your are correct. And France’s tourism comes from all over the world…
Aruba’s tourism is over 70% from the US.
And the economic impact of cutting that by even 10% will be dramatic. And I think the negative press hasn’t yet really started…
DT on what channel?
Fox
the food at CC stinks. it’s like a thousand other liquor joints…you go there to get toasted and, if your the dutch guy, to seek out your next target.
Jim, I doubt that they were such big contributors to the economy in the first place. Also, we always have the Dutch to fall back on
Oh great, now we’re getting communism…
It’s just…wow. Do you guys really wonder why your reputation in the world is less than friendly.
Nate –
Carlos & Charlies is a chain – they essentially pound visitors with shots all night long, it’s a place to go when you want to get s**tfaced and party and dance…
Wel peeps…i’m of to bed..4 in the morning here! would love to stay and read some more stupid post and some very good ones…but no can do. Sleep tight everyone and don’t forget to pray!!!! to my fellow arubians arubagirl and nativelingo keep posting! and booya..luv yah!! super funny!! Bon nochi boso tur te maà ±an cu Dios kier!! Peace out!
Jim…..many HOT springbreak destinations no longer welcoming young american spring-break-type crowd…..wonder why???
Hey Bruno, what are some good places to eat in Aruba?
You cant compare 1 murder/disappearance to Iraq war coem on can you really do this??
And if teh FBi was even here for mere assistance some thign else would have gotten done…beucase helping is almost as good as runnig the show because if not the FBI would have spoken already to the US and said “you know what these people are doing everythign wrong, wont let ushelp and we want out becuase were useless here” well o contair more have arrived so i really dont thin ktheir all here on vacation being aruba is so “dangerous” now
Hopw bout settin gup a chat tom??
C&C is a chain. Is it American owned?
Mason, what rock have you just crawled out from under? Angry at this young naive girl? Maybe because she was sheltered? I sheltered my daughter and she is out of college and doing just fine. She does not drink and choses not to and like Natalee, chose to wait until marriage. That is why I feel she was taken advantage of, all of her friends, boy and girls, have said she told everyone she was waiting until marriage. Just get off her case, she did something stupid. I look back, and I was put in a bad situation and it wasn’t even my own doing. Things happen! And Nancy Grace, how did she get in the conversation. She is an angry person because her fiance was killed by thugs, what is your excuse?
It was a quote not an interview btw. she also said the key lies with the three.
Nate –
I’m from Jersey but I’ve been to C&C. It is just like any bar you would find in NY. The only problem that I had with the place was the numerous times that my friends and I were approached to buy drugs. Walking out of the bar and to the main street was a little eerie too.
that place at the hyatt regency, though i can’t remember the name…but it’s a real restaraunt, not a pick up joint.
Its part of the Sanchos group they also own Senor Frogs (puerto rico, mexico everywhre springbreakers go!)
Arubagirl –
over 70% of Aruba’s tourism comes from the US, and the front page of Holland’s TELEGRAPH newspaper had Joran’s photo splashed all over it. The two biggest markets for Aruba’s business are fascinated with this story, which Aruba has failed to solve and apparently has mishandled from the start and continues to mishandle…
Natalee’s mom is quoted as saying “all 3 of those boys know what happened to my daughter”
It’s a problem area, certainly, Nate. The place goes really wild after 11 o’clock. I can see why it’s fun for visitors who only stay here for a week, but they play the same songs day after day after day. Gets boring after a while.
Bon Nochi Miss B
I knew there was a reason I wasn’t into the whole bar scene!
I will look into it but I am very tired and need to install software. If I screw it up, we all have big problems
T
I cast my vote for Nativelingo and Arubagirl also, for whats it worth.
I got very upset the other night when “reports” of Natalee’s murder were first “confessed” and all they were was understanding. Theyve taken a great deal of abuse.
Te aworo, pasa un bon dia. Why’s everybody at FOX pronouncing Joran’s last name as Van Der Slut ? What are they intimating? Is he a male slizut”
Hi. I was at Playa Linda the week Natalee disapeared. For those of you who don’t know, Playa Linda is a timeshare, right next door to the Holiday Inn.
Hi. I have been in Aruba 8 times in the last 20 years. Not a lot, I know. My parents, though, have gone down there several weeks a year for the past 30 years.
Here’s what I know:
1. Arubans were furious that this happened. Their take was that this sort of thing happens on other islands, like the D.R. or Jamaica, not their “One Happy Island.” They are furious that this incident is giving them a black eye, because it is not representative of what happens down there.
2. A few years ago, there was a woman from the Hamptons on Long Island who was murdered in Aruba. The perpetrators were given up by the community because the Arubans can’t let this sort of thing happen, because of what it can do to tourism. Most of us have quickly forgotten the previous murder, because it was so out of the ordinary.
3. Last year there was one murder and six rapes on the island of Aruba. This means, simply, that THE POLICE DO NOT HAVE MUCH EXPERIENCE HANDLING THIS SORT OF THING. This is both good and bad — good that it happens so rarely, and bad that they probably aren’t that good at it. It is good that the FBI are involved, though.
4. Since tourism is so important to the Island, it is unlikely, IMHO, that there will be a cover up. The only way a crime like this can be unsolved is with the help of the community. When the woman from the Hamptons was killed, in a robery gone awry, the community gave up the perpetrators. The community must do the same thing again. If they protect the perpetrators, and if there is a cover up, it will so severely hurt the islands reputation, if not its economy, that there will be too much pressure to do anything but spit out the perpetrators into the hands of the justice system.
Now, for speculation:
Is it likely that the girl was sold into white slavery? I don’t think so. If these kids had connections of this nature, there would probably be a lot more missing women on the Island.
Could she have been slipped a date-rape drug? It is very possible. I had a friend who had this happen to her just last year in Washington, DC of all places. I know someone who owns a bar, who’s wife was slipped something in his own bar by an unknown patron while he was there with her. Stranger things have happened.
I believe that the truth will be uncovered. I hope and pray that she is still alive.
My prayers have been with the family of Natalee all through these horrible days.
I have also read the bashing and blame being poured.
This is unfortunately what happens during times like this.
Graduation is all about the coming of age of young adults to make decisions in their life.
People should have the right to vacation freely in safety even if in a different country. Growing up in the west indies barhopping among teens even when they are underage happens as the rules are lax.
The true blame does not fall on the guardians or even on the school or parents of these kids.
SOMEONE THAT NIGHT made a decision to kill or to partake in a coverup. The only ones involved in what happened or in the sequel of events are Natalee and the 3 boys. and that mysterious person that I feel does not exist or the body would be found. This was a panic thing so body is or was (maybe moved now) proberly buried under sand easiest thing to bury in when no shovel is available. They should check car for sand grains. THE BEACHED SHOULD BE DRAGGED.
BUT THAT does not mean the Bar or country was responsible. Many lives will be ruin because of that decision. Unfortunately Aruba’s Authorities or their figureheads made some comments and then denied them which shows how mixed up they are. I hope that these 3 boys arrested are held until a full investigation is done. I have found that when money FAMILIES ARE involved suspicion is easily cleaned up or shoveled away. Lets see what type of family these boys come from.
It happens EVERYWHERE NOT ONLY IN ARUBA.
nh mom told police to let gaurds go
on fox
Rick, I can assure you, the Dutch don’t give a rats ass. Otherwise they would have start covering a long time ago.
I guess, in my opinion, I think many people from the US won’t travel to Aruba, if they feel like the Aruban government is protecting those 3 boys. I’m not saying I am in that category, but I would think that more people would be pissed, than scared.
Does that make sense? I’m doing like a million things at once right now…laundry, booking plane tickets (ok, you caught me…I’m going to Aruba for a secret rendezvous with Geraldo. Shhhh…don’t tell Booya), making dinner for myself, etc.!
Another spokeperson on Fox. Arubagirl, is this one of those volunteers or is she employed by the Aruban gov’t fulltime in the role she’s currently playing?
My husband actually made a comment the night we went there….This isn’t the kind of place where I want to be drunk. Didn’t feel comfortable…definitley shady.
Arubagirl, where do you go to have a good time on the island?
Fort Lauderdale was the US home of “Spring Break” for years. After a series of bad incidents, the local government pushed out all the party-centric businesses and the beachfront fell into disrepair and abandonment for years. It’s since been rebuilt as more of a family destination and is thriving.
Point being, Aruba’s tourism could easily be destroyed or severely damaged by this, and I suspect it will be…
Booya, are the really? Hee hee.
What show is this Kerin?
ALso we have many wonderful restaurants here! LIke seafood? The Driftwood is a great classy local place is the Oranjestad (capital;) also LG Smith Steak HOuse very nice and new! HOstarria Da Vittorio for italian we have many many great restaurants classy oh and cant forget El Gaucho argentinian steak house a MUST GO fo rall tourists!
Nate, also look for the “Flying Fishbone.” It is (or was, didn’t get there this time) a wonderful restaurant on the beach, a bit north of Oranjestad.
Geraldo trying to squeeze any “hints” out of the Aruban official. (Van der Biezen) He just asked how we can be assured that the VDS family is not influencing the case.
Aruba Girl,
The US’s reputation in the world is less than friendly, because foreigners lump us all together with the few idiot loud mouth Americans.
Now, if people would just realize that all countries have their loud mouths, perhaps prejudices and preconcieved notions could be tossed out the window.
Arubagirl –
I would disagree with you. The story wouldn’t appear on the front page of a Dutch newspaper if the editors – who monitor public opinion every day – didn’t think there would be major interest.
Jesus Christ and general Jackson…for crying out loud! What’s up with these long posts? Feel like I’m reading King James’ revelations
Arubagirl, you can deny your economy needs us all you want. Without American tourists, you guys are a third world country. Not that you currently don’t have a police department of a third world country.
Carlos and Charlies, Bahia, La Fiesta, Choose-A-Name. This is far as bars go.
Or just hang out at the beach, drive around.
American…it is Geraldo’s FOX show live from Aruba
Jim, I’m not saying that the economy can go without all Americans. I AM saying is that if the tourisim of young Americans drops, I don’t think the inpact will be as great, because they stay usually in the cheaper hotels, don’t go crazy with the shopping and generally only buy fast food.
who is vivian, the official aua spokesperson???
Doesn’t matter now shes screwed
Geraldo has vivian with forensic specialist
uh oh not good for her
Plus statement that dna tests not taken into cust immed for evidence because the boys already told the police that she was in car…so, of course no need to lokk….OMG
Hey, this this really cheesy place you can go called “twinklebones”….is that place still around??
The Government Spokesman just gave a statement on CNN I just hope some of you watched it…
The Aruban official sounds as bright as the other Arubans investigating the case.
Some former detectives are bashing the Aruba Police now. One saying it should be easy to get a confession. They are even stating that Joran’s status and being white is a reason he was not held initially. I have to agree.
politely disagreeable?
Sounds awfully close to “respectful disagreement”. LOL.
And Pat Brown is on – she’s one smart cookie.
NAtive – what did they say?
I think Geraldo is taking copious amounts of psychtropic drugs or benzodiazepines; his speech is of the charts
Native – which government spokesman?
Ahem, didn’t. What did he say?
All the experts on Geraldo are making all the same statements that we have all been asking on here for days. Such as why were the boys allowed to go free for 10 days to destroy evidence…why were 2 black men put in jail based on their word…how much does the influential family have to do with this…but biggest…WHY haven’t LE been able to crack 3 TEENS?
What’s up with this Ernie “Big Pussy” Rizzo wannabe gangster as a guest on Geraldo right now????
I have an idea. How about loading the boys up, and taking them to a hanging tree (with no intention of following through of course). As they are slowly being driven to the tree, with rope dangling, surely one will sing the confession everyone is waiting to hear. I think some different interogation tactics need to be used on these three.
Have no idea Bruno, have no idea. ‘Cheesy’ doesn’t even begin to describe it.
Also, again the arrogance of the average American who believes that the FBI can just barge into another country would be hysterical if it weren’t so darn sad.
The FBI has no jurisdiction outside of the United States and they were INVITED to Aruba to assist the Aruban governement and law enforcement with the case. So, re-think a cover-up the FBI would not get far without the support and close working relationship with the Aruban government.
When was the last time you heard about FBI agents dashing to the aid of a stupid backpacker who got kidnaped out of the Darien? Please.
….oh and also there was the question of WHY the evidence (even if it is saliva or semen or kool aid for God’s sake)…why is it now not being sent for DNA analysis?
Booya – he’s not my favorite person either. However, Pat Brown is a former FBI criminal profiler and she is known world wide for her talents. It’s worth it to watch her; she tells it like she’s seen it 1000′s of times before.
Comments on Geraldo are like they’re reading right off this forum
rb-
vivian is current spokesperson,
gender aside, remember how Iraq pm of info looked on tv?
Ruben Trappenberg….
He basically went over legal procedures….
Boo for president!
Very mean of me, but heehee, Friend oF MJ
Aruba Girl,
Do you know if any of the people involved had a boat.
welcome back geraldo
“vivian is current spokesperson,
gender aside, remember how Iraq pm of info looked on tv?”
Yep. Deer and headlights….
Rick, if you wish to criticize your government’s policies with regard to this case, in my opinion, you have that right. And I see that you have now attempted to charge me with possessing a prime minister. It is a lovely gesture, but he is not mine either. I am sure you will be able to find him a good home. He seems quite friendly.
Similarly, you have the right to assert that it is US policy to place itself in a position of subordinate to other nations when it feels that American interests are involved. Now I cannot agree with that position, and I have no reason to doubt the sincerity of numerous statements and actions of the US government that would be diametrically opposed to such a position, regarding Aruba and elsewhere.
The US has chosen not to confide its reasons for its involvement in this case, once again, about ten thousand US nationals go missing abroad every month, and you will not have to go far to find grieving families who have been disappointed with the response to their plea to Washington for help.
I think you can be confident that operations in Aruba are being decided by US authorities, as the outcome will be.
I reiterate my earlier hope that the parties involved will be able to reach an arrangement that will bring comfort, at the very least, to Natalee’s family, and wish you a good evening.
This is getting way of base and ugly. It’s funny to read how so many people know exactly how murder investigations get conducted. Too much T.V. I think.
I don’t know, Dad w/a Daughter, it’s very possible, of course, But if you’re taking the angle of dumping a body, you don’t really need a boat, just go to the north shore, and let the rocks take care of it.
I’ve just grossed myself out.
wow…all these cops/former cops are really slamming the Aruban cops.
In addition to requesting assistance from the FBI, I heard the Arubian govt. has now asked Scooby Doo himself to come down and assist.
Non ehad boats…and here usually if you take out your boat peopl eknow…because llthe places to take your boat out are either membership or VERY VERY public…so if they took out a boat we would know byu now
Well Bruno, maybe that’s because the FBI isn’t really helping much.
Couldn’t resist.
WoodGuy – no, too many murders. I think that’s what freaks our Aruban friends, somewhat. We’ve seen this deal over and over and over again.
Bruno for VP :0
Ernie “Big Pussy” Rizzo : “what do you hear, what do you know, what do you say…I’m just a breakin’ ya balls a little bit. I mean, for crying out loud, they manage to squeeze an hour of useless banter and….oh here we go..Geraldo was just dropping names mentioning Sammy “The Bull” Gravano…Am I a visionary or what??? I knew this was coming.
aruba girl-
no chance they did-they wouldn’t risk her washing up like Laci…she was hidden, and then somewhere else…kia news?
Thought I read somewhere the Joran had a boat?? I could be wrong??
I have a boat myseld andbelive me you cant go ut without atleast 5 people seeing you no matter what time! we were at the Soul Beach with our boat and docked at about 2.30 and t heir werew about 100 people thgier
Hey WoodGuy, NYPD Blue was my favorite show for years! I know for a fact a murder can be solved in 1 hour and not two weeks dang it!
hey, i’m not a fish expert, but if they tossed her in the ocean (and if she were bloodied), what’s the chance she became some shark’s dinner? Maybe they took their chances with that and it paid off?
Washing up? Washing up where? In Panama?
::”Also, again the arrogance of the average American who believes that the FBI can just barge into another country would be hysterical if it weren’t so darn sad.”::
I must have missed something, because I certainly can’t believe that any average American believes that the FBI can go (uninvited) to any country. I think that sounds more like the misconceptions of an arrogant foreigner.
The FBI is our FEDERAL BUREAU of INVESTIGATION. The federal bureau covers the United States of America. Some states have their own bureaus of investigation. But, I doubt highly that the average American (which I am one) believes the FBI can do anything in other countries without being invited to do so.
I’ve come to realize that there is a lot of misconceptions about Americans and THAT leads to foreigners thinking we are something we are not.
booey-any scoobie doo stuff??
Wish I could hear you live
Dadw/daughter…I think it was one of Natalee’s friends here last night who said VDS has a yacht
Thanks Aruba Girl, your reading my mind. Is that where the lighthouse is that they went to
Cautivo -
I’m merely reporting to you what the PM and LE of Aruba have said themselves. That they are running the show, with the FBI graciously assisting in the background. If you choose to disbelieve them, then I think you essentially agree that the Aruban authorities have been not honest and spinning the truth.
There have been NO FBI statements.
Bruno, that’s what is also a possiblity for me.
Wait. I think I just agreed with you. Lfe as I know it has ended.
A-
Anywhere or anyhow-F
Dang Cat you are long winded.
No guys if it was a panic they would bury here first deep in sand. Too much chance of being seen. If it was planned then yes dumped in sea.
Nad just the “du,pinmg” of the body isnt possibel it would wash uop by now….we dumped my dog out their “he LOVED the water he went to the beach more than i did) a week later that my kids went to throw flowers to him thank god i was walkign ahead, his body had washe dup on shore thats a whole week later and i mean how far can you toss a body from standing on shore??
You’d have to drive somewhat further for where the sea is rougher, Dadw/aDaughther.
I am having trouble typing when I go back and read Boo’s and Bruno’s posts…
Sarah… No where near as long winded as some!
Well, there have been several fisherman who caught by a big wave and haven’t been seen again.
So the washing up theory…mmphmm. Not an expert, but I think it’s possible that a body could disappear like that.
“There have been NO FBI statements”
And that is telling that the FBI, who routinely makes statements in such cases, is NOT in charge. They are respecting Dutch Civil Law, which means the head honchos are the locals.
As hark wouldnt eat a comlete body just one bite and they realize its not their typical food and they wont eat the rest of it…watch discovery channel
I just think one of the boy’s daddys took care of the disposal. They had many many days to take care of all of the evidence.
http://community.webshots.com/
Do a search for “Aruba Carlos” and you will get hundreds of pix of vacationers in the interior of CnC.
When you get there you by a “yard”. This is a big plastic tumbler (28 oz.) of booze.
http://community.webshots.com/photo/329076812/329076812yFMRcn
While you are drinking that, the website sez “you will get Shots and Shots and then More shots!”
You get it like this….
http://community.webshots.com/photo/329075914/329075914Occhiz
The DJ promotes binge drinking with drinking contest (chugging a beer and doing shot before everone else, etc.)
http://community.webshots.com/photo/288548973/288548973vkaDnT
Of course the onyl ones making statements are locals its not allowed by law for the FBI to lead the investigations
Here we go with what Geraldo does best: background investigations of the accused.
AmericaninAruba, if we could spot boats that easily, there’d be no more illegals getting in the country.
Geraldo’s show now focusing on VDS and his past…
Arubagirl
Someone posted somewhere that boats are coming and going all the time from neighboring islands and countries, is this true?
Been following a few days…Impressed Tom & Red
well i hpoe he comes up with somethign because this is getting tiring
“Of course the onyl ones making statements are locals its not allowed by law for the FBI to lead the investigations”
Don’t tell me – tell Cautivo
nb
I’d guess yes buried body to get rid of it later
When fbi came right in joran asked a friend who knows a friend of daddys friend for a little favor I’m just guessing.
Is there a golf course near kia aruba girl?
Her mother said she definitely thought these guys knew what happened to Nat, they just werent saying, how frustrating for her, thats at cnn.com
The illegals are being dumoed into the water and made to swim…and since the radar was placved about amonth ago we havent heard any more of those stories
VDS? Doesn’t that sound like some sort of STD?
Aruba Girl,
Thank you for answering my questions. I have been reading these boards for several days and you’ve been most helpful.
Arubagirl, nativelingo I watch and appreciate your posts because they are mostly on topic. Thanks.
Nate – lol I was thinking the same thing
what if he did use his yacht to carry her to another island ….to sell her or something or hide her….?? justr a guess
Thier was an old golf course its not in the best condition
Geraldo just called him “precoscious” (sp). I think he meant to say Pimp….
Local woman said he threw a classmate through a plate glass window and has anger problems.
They need a real Jamaican as a press spokes person for the Aruban authoritites.
Geraldo: Ssso Mr. Pindling What can you tell usszz about the blood ssstain:
Mr Pindling: “Cuyaa galang ’bout ya bizniz…me come fye drink milk..me no come here fye count cows…Yah bless and bigupyourself”
fox
Joran had a web site, but,hmmmmm now it’s not there….anyone can get geraldo TICKLED (to death ) sorry, had to do that.
m wood
I was at a work party at Boca Catalina (=small beach near the lighthouse), and all of a sudden we see a small boat come in, a man getting out with a suitcase in his hand and the boat heading back out.
It took us ten minutes (we were a bit drunk) to realize we had just witnessed an illegal entering Aruba.
That’s basically it. They raped her, roughed her up good, killed her, and tossed her in the ocean hoping the sharks would get her. To give them 2 weeks to tighten their story and clean up any evidence, they used one of the most reliable excustes – “Uh, ummm…we dropped her off and some big black dude helped her in the hotel…” At this point, if a body ever does wash up, or what’s left of it, it won’t prove anything. DNA or no DNA. They’ve already admitted to having “consenual” relations with her. So, they will bascially get away with murder. Absent one confessing, which simply won’t happen. There influential mommy and daddys got their backs. End of story. Moral –> If you’re an attractive female, be carefule in Aruba, be careful anywhere.
In my long experience protecting Americans overseas, I have never seen the FBI interevene in a local investigation overseas involving a private American victim. This is rare indeed. I have seen my share of the crima against Americans and even had a case in the jungle of Peru where not even the body turned up. Worst was in Argentina, a young, serious girl travelling alone around South America. Did not show up in Buenos Aires as scheduled. Friend reported to me she was missing. I immediately put out a press notice which the papers ran with a picture. A reader recognized her from a morque shot she had seen in the paper. Girl had been tied up and dumped on a beach in Mar del Plata to drown. Never found out who did it. We put up a reward, pressured the local police, followed leads ourselves, but never caught the culprits. In the end, If this investigation goes badly, at least the Aruban authorities will be able to fall back and blame the FBI, an organization increasingly in discredit after 9-11.
This case has been messy all the way. Messy government interface with press, incompetent sensationalist international media, all depending on what AP develops. I can’t judge the investigation other than to say it got off to a slow start. The place is not that big to completely lose someone, except perhaps to the sharks…
The FBI is taking a larger role overseas in terrorism matters but this intervention must have been at least a little motivated by the politcal influence of Natalee’s family and their allies. Hoep it works out but it is not looking good so far.
Hey Booya, you think Ruben will perform his Roadmarch song for Geraldo?
Boo brings tears of laughter. Ignore him Geraldo come on make us proud
Re Spring breakers: Believe it or not, even Cancun has beefed up their security. They patrol with machine guns…….
Anything NEW??
This stuff happens all over, Its sad and definitely news worthy as they all are. This one picked up steam and snowballed.
Island Bunny…please..please be careful who you go out with when you’re at the bars tonight…I don’t want you coming down with some sort of VDS! That could be really nasty!
And whoever made that comment about American’s not going to France? What a riot. The American government tries to strong arm another country into going to war, a war I might add that has plenty of shady business and is on dirty side of just…and American’s have the nerve to get mad.
Well, I’ll tell you this for free, there isn’t a person in France who will shed a tear if all Americans decide to stay home. We’re rude, arrogant, and pushy and we think we’re God’s gift to the world, (not to mention the world police) led by an idiot who can’t even say nuclear. Most Americans have a one world narrow view with themselves as the center of the universe. We may have bigger guns, but we also have the biggest asses in the world, literally and otherwise.
geraldo really would like to see jorans pimped out web site…
mason, love it, change it, or leave it.
Speak for yourself Mason. I’m an American and am none of those things.
Mason, not a fan of Bush, huh?
americaninaruba-is it by the pet cemetary?
Anyone heard anything NEW you guys??
Mason – no need to bring politics into this discussion.
sounds like some of us still aren’t over the 2000 election
But, if my son were missing then Yes, I would become rude, arrogant and pushy until I found answers.
Nate – Sorry to say…I’m already past the whole bar scene. Nothing good comes from it.
Regarding the FBI going to the island, it has been reported here in the Birmingham area that Natalee’s mother is a friend/acquantaince (sp?) of Senator Jeff Sessions. Sessions is publicly taking credit for requesting the FBI’s involvement. Tacky for him to hit the airwaves with that info at this time if you ask my opinion.
CNN BREAKING NEWS- Geraldo, Prime Minister Nel Oduber, and Rudy Trappenberg will be performing LIVE at the La Cabana casino monday night doing Michael Flately’s RIVERDANCE performance entitled Feet Of Flames.
Yeah Mason! There are no asses leading our government, dang it! Just a lot of Dick and Bush!
I still have the link to Joran’s brothers site if anyone wants to look at it. It reads a lot like Joran’s when it was up. Both call themselves “pimps”. (Nate…please note I did not say VDS)
How strange is it that they think that blood was mistaken for saliva? How can that happen??? Something definitely isnt right, i think more ppl know what happened than just those 3 guys…..
Joran threw a kid though a glass window? Where was his parents, evidently not watching him.
They are now critical of Natalee’s mom for being angry. I would have already gone to the police station, pulled a gun and demanded to see that bratty kid. I would give him to 5 to start talking about where she is, if he didn’t I would pull the trigger. Yes, I would need anger management classes for sure, but then again, who wouldn’t in that situation.
Bama, thanks for saying that. Trust me that’s been a sort of puzzlement why the FBI was here so quickly.
Is he a State Senator or U.S. Senator?
kerintx
tell FOX
Kerin – can you post the link?
Translation of the PM’s speech is here:
http://www.riehlworldview.com/
heybamababe, around what part of bama r u from….?
Island Bunny, I don’t blame you one bit…most of my drinking (which was very little anyway was before I was 20. I have yet to have that drink for my 21st birthday…and I’ll be 26 in August! Just not my thing either…
I couldn’t believe it when Ms. Twitty said that when she questioned about Joran’s background, she was told that it was as clean as Natalee’s. I don’t recall any stories like that about her.
SoInSo gets mental picture and almost pees
Again, the FBI would NOT be in Aruba if the Aruban government had not invited them or agreed to their help. It would not matter who her mama knew if the Aruban government had told the FBI to stay home, they’d have had to stay home.
Is he a State Senator or U.S. Senator?
Don’t quote me on this – I’m usually more politically savvy, but in this case I’m not positive. I THINK he is a US Senator.
Jeff Sessions- R US Senator
both us and state senator
A US Senator can get a small team of FBI agents to almost anywhere in the world. This team is larger than most Senators could manage and the fact that Condi Rice has been involved via a phone call does make me wonder ….
U.S. Senator.
I commented earlier on gossip that JORAN showed up a school next day with scratches on his face. Somehwere I also read of his “anger management issues”.
The Joran guy just looks and souds like some punk ass spoiled rich kid that thinks he can do anything….agree?
Definitely Bruno
Island…here it is.
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/
index.html?_=aaaaaqaaaaG2mleaaaaemTKZnl3So8gaaaabnliaaaaiJke4GSoxnLc8OKi2OTMgGy00
Vote for Bruno!
I agree Bruno
“Condi Rice has been involved via a phone call does make me wonder”
Rogers, where did you see that?
Rogers, a U.S. senator cannot IMPOSE an FBI team on another country. That country has to AGREE to it. And for the FBI to go dashing off for ONE American while hundreds of others, many of them children, languish, speaks more to OUR system of priveledge and pandering to the rich.
Agree, but the other two don’t seem to be too nice either.
what link is that kerin?
Bruno….I agree…..he looks and sounds like most 17 year old boys I know….EVERYWHERE….not only in Aruba….
aruba girl
may be striking oil???
off topic but today thousands of bikers rode naked thru selected cities world wide to protest gas guzzling SUVs
Hey Mason…..YOU’RE an arrogant asshole….why don’t you just go run away with Sean Penn somewhere far
Regarding the saliva/blood mix-up. I’m guessing from my extensive experience with CSI, CSI Miami, and CSI New York that there probably were no visible stains. I figure they probably detected some sort of organic material with that dye/light thing they use and couldn’t be sure of the exact material until tested.
I’ve heard that it was in the back seat and then I heard that it was in the trunk. Anybody got a definite answer on this?
I’m in the Birmingham area.
Condi rice? who is that?
Kerin, what is the link to the brothers’ websites? Thx.
What I am Woody is a world wise, world traveler who understand that neither myself nor my government are God.
no way of really knowing, i have seen both posted on news websites
Condi is from Birmingham, too….
Here is a link: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159128,00.html
towards the end of the story.
Crys…that link was to Joran’s brothers website
Thanks Keri! That’s a little creepy…look at the first posting on his page from his friend:
Arina:
By the way how long have you & natalie been together? ME & GIANNI HAVE BEEN TOGETHER FOR
I suspect Aruba being so small and dependent on the US it could easily be “persuaded” to invite the FBI in if that’s what Senator Sessions wanted. I am sure the Dutch would be more effective than the FBI in this case given the evidentiary language and so on. FBI does not have a lot of linguists. When they are overseas they need a lot of hand holding. By the way, where are the Dutch cops?
what are yall talkin bout the phone call?
QUESTIONS:
(5a) Is there a lagoon or wetland INLAND of Hadicurari?
(5B) Has it been searched? Along shores? With boats?
Rogers – didn’t know that had been released. Thanks for the link.
Geraldo’s mustache is grossing me out!
Mason – Yes, of course the FBI can’t go into another country without permission. I’ve never suggested otherwise
How did poor George Bush get into this situation? I am sure Mason will start blaming him for the conspiracy. And how did France come into this picture? Some people will stop at nothing to promote stupidity. He taught his girls to drink so they would know how to handle themselves in bad situations. Teaching your children to break the law is very responsible….
Yeah it is very creepy that Joran’s brothers GF name is Natalie
Arubagirl and americaninaua
I’m going to bed soon and would sleep better if you’d give me some direction on it…You know I asked since early this morn…please
Chrys – Condoleeze Rice is who they’re talking about
Friend of Mickey John- Wow, naked bikers totally bitchin’. Reminds me of Queen’s album from 1978 entitled Jazz. Pictures of naked girls on bikes protesting the high price of gass back then. Sorry, I have an enyclopedia mind and see multiple connections all at once and your off topic remark invoked that thought.
Hadicurari, I think there’s a small area there that fills up when it rains.
I don’t think it’s been filled, don’t if it’s been search.
Bigger Wetlands are at Bubali Plas.
Picture this SCENEARIO……a lot of people makes comments that this won’t stop American’s from vacationing in Aruba, which is true….but what if a few of us,,,,say only 5,000-10,000 all booked flights to go down there this week, AND PROTEST !!!!! We can charge the police station and do our own interrogations….this thing would get solved real fast. Tip a few police cars, beat up a few effigys….at least it would be fun.
Naked Bikers? Haven’t you ever heard of a place called Sturgis, South Dakota? Biker Party U.S.A.!
Direction on what?
Arubagirl, you crafty double agent! You are holding up very well. I appreciate your translations. Papiamentu is a mixture of what languages? I can recognize some words that sound like Spanish.
Bruno, did you see my post about the hanging tree?
No one said anything about being God Mr. world traveller…..I don’t like you speaking for me and the rest of America by saying “what we are are a bunch of arrogant, blah…blah…….blah. Speak for yourself. I traveled the world myself in U.S. Navy protecting big mouths like you. Don’t appreciate your ignorance
NativeLingo, ArubaGirl, Booya, Tom and Red: Thank you all. Bon Noche.
who is she in relation to the story babe?
Bruno…do you know any senators that could arrange for a private plane for us?
hadicurari is next to…??? southern from the big mt?
Bruno…I think you can do it single-handedly…OH you special one….
hanging tree? yes, some frontier style justice is what we need here !
Papiamento is based primarily on Spanish, with a lot of Dutch and English thrown in, and a smattering of Portuguese.
Bon nochi CancunMole…
Ay que lastima..no es bueno vatos locos. See you later CancunMole
Gracoas. Kerin – the pics of the younger brother look a lot like him.
I have been reading for days and only posted a couple of comments. I really enjoying being able to read information that’s “up-to-date.” I was watching the news and it’s not very helpful. As a high school teacher, I am very intrigued by this situation. It is my sincerest wish that Natalee is alive… and while everyone is stating “opinions,” here are mine:
Natalee is a victim…as are her parents and family
Natalee was acting as most “typical” teenagers would behave given her situation…however, her outcome is verrrry misfortunate
What is the deal with people berating Aruba? Has anyone stopped to look at how things are…here…in the States?
I highly doubt Aruba will suffer any “hardships” based on this…in all sincerity, maybe not a senior trip…for a while; however, I think it will still be a very safe place to visit
Thanks to all of you who have listed some very helpful information. Like I said, I primarily have been a reader…I wonder how many more are simply doing what I am doing???? Thanks for a nice place to be able to do this. What would we have done fifteen years ago???
aruba girl-where is pet cemetary in rel to old golf course and kia, …
As to the FBI needing an invitation, there are plenty of examples where they have gone in without if they want to bad enough. But they need to be at least slightly welcome to assist on an investigation with the local cops. It is true that there are hundreds of such cases in the world and that it is extremely rare for them to respond overseas. It is usually left to an overworked Consul to prod the local cops to action. TH
I think these boys are going to hold out as long as possible, until Natalee is found. A confession means they are caught and they know their fate then.
Cryss – She is the Secretary of State
Geraldo talking to Amy Bradley’s brother now…
Bruno! Bruno! Bruno!
What have they given as their alibi after they “dropped her off” that nt?
Oh, lol, guess i dont have enough political knowledge of my own state!:)
It’s inmediately next to Mariott, going direction of lighthouse.
Kerin, will you share the link?
Condoleeze Rice is the Secretary of State. That’s the job Colin Powell used to do. It is very high up. She reports to the President.
If she gets involved, even to make a phone call that usually indicates something big.
On the other hand though, this might have been personal rather than political. She just performed as a pianist at a concert for a singer with cancer.
Friend of M, what’s with the pet cemetery???
I don’t know that we’ve ever heard that, Cryss
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Bon nochi, Cancun.
sorry….
btw…to get from CCs to the california lighthouse, have sex, and back to holiday inn…all in about one hour……that’s pretty much impossilbe give the distance, stoplights, etc. etc.
seems as though that would be a priority
I was wondering about that as well, Friend.
Did they give these kids polygraph tests??
Well, they must have driven like bats out of hell and not caring about stoplights, Bruno.
But the timelight IS very short for all to have happened.
No polys allowed under dutch law….
I thought it was decided that they didn’t bring her back to the HI. There is no tape to go along with that. The “confession” was that they went to the lighthouse, made out and something bad happened. I thought going back to the HI involved the two security guards and that had already been disregarded.
we don’t use polygraph tests here. Don’t trust them all that much. Neither it seems, do the U.S. courts.
Thanks Native…interesting… Guess they dont make any exceptions? I think it would clear some things up…
Assuming one of the kids confessed and/or was found guilty of murder “beyond any reasonable doubt” as we say here in the states…what would be his fate?
Ahh, but Sarah, did the confession happen?
bruno no one has said they had sex, have they? I thought those reports were changed to make out?
2 MORE spokespeople, Ruben Trapenberg is one. And the other just described the island of Aruba in a “state of apartheid” (his words not mine) Is that true Aruba people?
I understand that there is no death penalty
I’d still say if Racism wasn’t alive and well in this world, this would have been solved by now. Giving the prime supsects two weeks to plan and corrobate a coverup was just sheer stupidity. Had they not given these little punks this time, they would have cracked easily.
Hoover, 20 to life max
The drive from the Holiday In to the light house is ten minutes, no stoplights. I have been there so many times; no stoplights. Aruba is so small that they recently had the whole island carpeted.
I guess the only “facts” are that Natalee got in the car with these 3 and they took her “somewhere”. Beyond that it is just a bunch of lies made up by some punks, IMO.
the “Something bad happen” Statement was denied. Wasn’t it?
Yes, I believe the confession did happen. OK, now I’m not sure. What do you think?
Boo needs to be on TV
5 Minutes Till the comments move…
Apartheit is not the correct term here….we are a separate entity within the dutch kingdom…
Aren’t there stoplights just at the Marriott?
I’m not all that clear right now, so I could be wrong.
My opinion when Condoleeze Rice involment has been mentioned throughout all of this… June 3 – She had press conference concerning the 2005 “Trafficking in Persons” report – some of Aruba’s neighbors are listed as Tier 2 and 3 on the report.
DT, atcually the lawyer for one of the black guys said the statement from one of the three kids was that it was sexual relations…but that’s not getting much coverage
CARPETED, Boo? (please stop!!!)
yes, but we’re talking from CCs to the lighthouse first, don’t forget that….and they stopped downtown to talk to some other kids
So does that mean they’re just sweeping all this under the carpet?
Tanya yes
Sarah, I don’t know. I’d like to think that if one of them confessed, that they would have let the guards go by now.
Another scenario I have in my head is that one of them did confess, lawyer made him retract because no physical evidence.
Our local news station said that she was “fondled.” I hated the way that that sounded since some of her relatives live here in our town.
I heard the lawyer say kissing with intimate embrace from most major news sources, and from one of the other lawyers. It seems a bit odd for the two to be having sex with the other two a couple of feet away.
Swish swish!
Geraldo just had “locals” on before the end of the show. I am thinking Arubagirl and Native should go to wherever he is broadcasting from and be the locals on the show tomorrow.
I’ve gotta go to bed. Have a good night everyone. It’s been a pleasure! I’ll pray for good news for the morning!!!
Bruno….we are all assuming the 3 did it , what if they didn’t????
not strange to do that sort of thing in Aruba actually
Heh, Geraldo would be scared of us, Kerin.
DT, ita.
aruba girl-native …I went there once it is south on edge of sea…a local friend took my boyfriend there to snorkel years ago…I just got a weird feeling bout it yesterday..then this am a dream of a golf course but i couldn’t go in, it was taped off /yellow/ then woke up…I only knew of golf course by arashi until earlier when a poster rafa said golf near kia…
Do people use the old course? Is it near the water
I know it is near kia…so I wonder where is pet cem…
does anyone know rafa??
Native, do you have to go school / work tomorrow?
arubagirl
regarding racism and impunity on aruba, give me a break. You must come from below the bridge. Apartheid on aruba rivals southafrica. the blacks from chocolate city have always been discriminated. Where have you been girlfriend?? And regarding impunity (standing above the law) it is common knowledge that government officials have never been held accountable. Even the judges receive gifts and favors from politicians in ways that makes one wonder.
ita?
Here is the info. on Deepak Kalpoe’s lawyer..and Jorans Moms statement some posters were looking for earlier:
CNN talked yesterday with Anita van der Sloot, the mother of Joran. She says that she is convinced that her son has told the authorities everything and that he is innocent. “He was willing to help with everything and told me ‘Mom, don’t worry, everything will be allright. I didn’t do anything’. He was very open with us and told everything that happened.” Joran also offered to speak to the family of Natalee Holloway, according to her.
The lawyers had indignant responses to the arrests of their clients. David Kock, lawer of the 19-year-old Satish Kalpoe: “According to me the JD doesn’t know it and they’ll just arrest. How can they say that they’re olding all opinions open and suspect my client of murder at the same time?” Rudy Oomen defends the 21-year-old Deepak Kalpoe: “It’s a mystery to me how you can arrest people without evidence. I have not seen anything yet that could point to a crime, but still my client is being accused thereof.”
According to Oomen, Deepak Kalpe, the eldest of the three, denies to have anything to do with the disappearance of Holloway. It seems that he cooperated with the police from the very beginning. Oomen: “And now he appears with his face and full name everywhere in the press. It is a trial by media. Of course I find it very hard for the family of the girl, but what is done to the families of these three guys, and the three guys themselves is also terrible.”.
Two logical possibilities re the 3 haven’t cracked. They are more savy than assumed or they are innocent.
Of course, we are assuming that they haven’t cracked. That could be wrong.
This may be very cynical thinking on my part, but I’m scared that they might have been having sex in the back seat and that the other two were sound and video guys. I know that’s awful to consider, but it would tie in with the drugs, drinking, etc.
But Arubagirl…I think you could give Geraldo a run for his money!
FriendofM, I don’t think pet cemetary and Kia are that close to each other, but right now I’m not sure of anything.
POLYGRAPHS:
Fairly unreliable because if you can manilpulate the initial control questions the test will be deemed inconclusive. They always ask you about ten normal questions(your name, where do you live etc) to establish a basis. If you can get the easy questions to react abnormally(thinking of something stressful while answering) then any serious question that comes up with a suspicious reading will look similar to your baseline questions. Inconclusive and invalid.
Precisely, would have taken his job away from him.
no arubagirl…neither…
aruba girl
thanxs
What did you mean by ita?
No gentleman leaves a girl outside a hotel. Anyguy who takes a girl to a lighthouse at that time was not sightseeing neither were the other two boys unless that is how they get their thrills. NO they are pretty much guilty. They did not return her to hotel. I am willing to believe an accidental death occured and they panicked and buried her but no I don’t believe they are innocent.
Roger, why would they talk if the body has been disposed of. If it never reappears then they may feel that they got away with something. If they talk, then they know what their fate will be.
Oh okay.
I think they would arrest us both before the interview even starts…
I have just always had a hard time believing that, no matter what, Natalee would have had sex in the backseat of a VERY small car with a guy who is what…6 ft 3? And that his punk friends just sat in the front seat and looked out the window or something?
Friend of MJ
the old golf course is north of Kia and the dog graveyard to the south
rafa-
thank you so much
Also-nice work you do
I agree Tanya, and it’s something I’ve been thinking all along: even IF the 3 guys had nothing to do with her disappearance, what JERKS would leave a woman alone, and then watch some other man “escort” her?
arubagirl do you have to work tomorrow?
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