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Before the boys dropped allegedly dropped off Holloway at her hotel, they went to Arashi. At the beach Van der Sloot and Holloway were allegdly fooling* around in the backseat [*'vrijen' cover a multitude of sexual acts, from kissing to having sex.], while the brothers Kalpe were sitting in the front seat of the car. Van der Sloot already knew Natalee from the day before when they would have met in the casino of the Holiday Inn.
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This was from Riehl WOrld View, I think it explains the different reports regarding what happened in the car. If this was the word in the report from the suspects then we might not no the extent of the contact for some time.
Is there any construction going on around the Holiday Inn there?
K and Tanya, you are soo right.
Yes Nate….the marriott
and a new mall across the street from th HI
What is the brothers reputation on the island? What did the other Alabama teens think of these boys, didn’t they spend time with them at the Casino?
I am sure Natalee has not been the first with these three. Somewhere is another girl who may have escaped with her life and has kept silent for some reason or other. They should find out
But I still just don’t think that a girl who is known for her good reputation would go off and have sex with some guy in the back seat of his car, especially when his friends were in the FRONT SEAT!
who was driving the car when they left C&C. Was Natalee in the front seat or the back? anyone know?
Don’t know Sarah….don’t know them
Native, yes I have to work tomorrow.
what kind of construction? lots of digging? or renovating or what?
Natalees friends did not like him. Even had a scuffle/
I heard somewhere that the 3 boys got into an argument or fight with some of the Alabama teens. Anyone else hear this?
K, I don’t think so either, especially since no major news source is reporting this. Interestingly enough, sean hannity made this claim on air and was corrected by a reporter who said that they were just making out. One of the lawyers said it was making out and “a little more” and a lot of reports have said that he fondled her.
Everything I guess….nate
I think the only accidental death that occured was the fact she might have od on the rophynol they slipped in her drink.
GAGUY, I’ve been asking the same. No answer.
Drunk or drugged girls do things not normally done ( others are temporarily blacked out) but shewould have woken up if one of the other guys got involved and was directly in her vision. She would have reacted
Fox reported that there was an altercation between joren and some of the alabama group at C&C’s.
Yes, I think it’s been pretty well confirmed. However, it seems as if it was more of a shouting match than an actual fist type of fight.
She probably wouldn’t have gone off with three strangers usually, but they might have given her something to cause her to lose her inhibitions.
I heard that there was another girl in Boston who is saying that she was with Joran on her vacation in Aruba and that he became “aggressive” with her. Don’t remember where I read that.
Hmmm Jerry, that could be it. The boys could have freaked and dumped her somewhere.
Yes Sarah….here’s the link: http://www.postherald.com/me061005
Well, I’ve worked construction before, and let me tell you, they better search the heck out of those areas…it wouldn’t be hard at all to hide someone….
I assume she got in the back seat since that is where she and joren were making out, and since no onereportedly did not get out of the car at the lighthouse
So what if she had a good reputation. Alcohol makes you lose your inhibitions. She could have possibly had sex with one of them if not three as horrible as it sounds.
tanya-
I read a post 5-6 days ago that said her name is/was tracy/tracie and jorans name mentioned in that post in connection. Short post def here but I am too busy too look. I know I saw it. You are prob right. This time joran will be caught,
Definitely w/Tanya – think that’s why they said in so many words SHE was out of control – stumbling, not letting them help her. Very incriminating to me.
I think it’s strange that the car belonged to Joran, but he was in the back seat with Natalee. Most guys tend to be peculiar when it comes to their vehicles…and as much as he appears to like to show off, I just find it odd that he allowed his friends to sit in the front seat and drive his car while he made out with her in the back seat. My gut feeling is that he dropped them off before things got hot and heavy with her. I agree that it’s also very unlikely that Joran made out with her or had sex with her while these two just sat in the front seat…twidling their thumbs as they listened to the sounds of passion??? I don’t think so….
One of her friends said in Bham paper that he broke up the shoving match.
There could be other girls that have been raped by the 3 punks but were to ashamed to say anything about it.
Nate, I believe both sites have 24 hour security guards on duty
if Joren was the driver and Natalee was in the front seat as well, the would have had stop somewhere and get out to get into the back seat.
Friend of MJ
by the way both the old golf course and the dog graveyard are on the same latitude or eastern end of the island. And tnx for the compliment. Send your dreams as they unfold.
Jerry, that’s a very real possibility.
FOX NEWS- Geraldo just came out of the closet, much to the dismay of his conservative colleagues at FOX news. He will be performing a duet with chief of police Gerald Dompig, singing a medley of Barry Manilow and Johnny Mathis love songs by the pool at the Gay Caballero hotel next to the Holiday Inn. Rumor has it that they will also perform the Lambada(the forbidden dance) with pyrotechnics TNT cannons.
NativeLingo…oh really…a security guard huh?
She was angry and no not infront of hotel She proberly would not get back in the car after fighting to get out.
concerned, are you sure that the car is Joran’s? Because if his dad gave him the car, then no wonder that he didn’t become a judge.
No ruffies related cases ever reported…most likely a lethal combination of alcohol and XTC….as far as I know, XTC cannot be “slipped” you actually have to swallow it,
I think they slipped her something while in c&c, told her either they were going to take her back to the hotel but convinced her to go take a gander at the light house with the intentions of having sex with her while she was all drugged up. And while there, something worse happened and they dumped her.
a 6 ft 3 in guy having sex in the backseat of a small car. Doesn’t add up.
rafa-
I am going to bed soon.
I just got a computer a few weeks ago and this is the first chat site I came to when I saw the news…just lucky sometimes I guess. Good to meet you.
Thanks for the info.
Goodnite all God bless.
Good point, Kerin.
Tila, what I”m saying is, that…if you are normally NOT a girl that goes out and sleeps around, chances are that no matter HOW drunk you are, you’re not going to settle for sex in the back seat of a Honda.
And I still stand by my theory that I think she was drugged. And if she was, then perhaps she DID have sex in the back seat of that car, but that doesn’t mean she WANTED it.
Exactly it was either making out or it was some sort of gang rape, no way they would have just sat their and listened to it and turned away.
Do the seats lay down? If there is no physical evidence, who says they had sex in the car. Why not outside?
Arubagirl, I believe Fox News said that it was Joran’s family car.
Depends what kind of sex Kerin….Oh the possibilities…..
kerin.. you can have sex in different positions… it is very possible.. use your imagination and im sure you can come up with a few..
Reportedly they didn’t leave their car at the lighthouse. And according to all reports I’ve heard it was just kissing/touching no sex.
Arubagirl…on Geraldo’s show he said the car was impounded from Joran’s house and then they showed it being towed away (a small silver car)
Can you get in the lighthouse?
I don’t think so
The amigos said “she didn’t get out of the car”.
They must have scratches or brusies. She would have known what was happened if they were trying to get her out of the car for sex with three. You lose your inhibitions with the person you want to be with but not your mind when there are three in the picture
It’s been my understanding that it was Joran’s car…or at least that the vehicle was picked up from his residence…I don’t know who owns the vehicle.
I do find it interesting that the brothers’ parents own a rental car company.
Right, esp. “those” kind of people, they would have jumped in first chance they had to get a piece of that beautiful blonde. All three raped her.
The problem with the scratches or bruises is, that they weren’t in custody for like 10 days. THose scratches could be long gone by then.
GAGuy…being my age I not only have to use my imagination but I have already actually been in those positions.
Still….this is a BIG guy and a small backseat.
Can you imagine the parents reaction if they reported they had sex with her? If her friends reported this being so out of character for Natalee, then all would assume that it was rape. Of course the boys are going to report that they were kissing and a little more. There is nothing illegal about that.
OH okay. Tila.
Guys, I have to work tomorrow (joy).
Native, it’s been a pleasure haning with you.
Bye guys.
Kerin, you hoochie mama!
Please someone would have seen like did they visit more clubs after that if not why? Assuming you are innocent why worry
Crazy thought here…….have all of Nat’s classmates been cleared of any involvement? I mean any old boyfriends or guys that wanted to be her boyfriend see her flirting and kissing with these local boys sends them into a rage……I belive the 3 locals are guilty but if you were investigating this, you’d have to look at that angle too
bruno…. ” a piece of that beautiful blonde” I think you can muster up just a little bit more respect for the girl.. considering the situation..
Ya, Boo! Ya! G and G, but not at the HI – really bad taste
Tanya, if the date-rape drug was GBH, you lose your ability to put up a fight. It’s like you are sleep-walking. Then you wake up the next day.
Joran was too young to drive but it was his parent’s car. So maybe the brothers were in the front seat as they left CnC.
i’m stating that from their likely perspective
Yeah K…hoochie mama with the pimp son
Somewhere it was reported that the car belongs to the Surinamer (Arubans please confirm) (older one). there are all kinds of drugs used to knock people out to have ones way with them. Have seen guys out for three days on horse tranquilizers in Venezuela (businessman hooked up for a threesome and wakes up in a ditch 100 miles away two days later). In Colomcia they have one so powerful they just blow it in your face and you are putty in their hands.
Ayo arubagirl…..Bon nochi..
G’nite Aruba Girl…………pleasure.
I love the Joran is way too young to drive comment. He’s too young to drive but can frequent bars and casinos on a regular basis. If you go to those places, then wouldn’t you think that driving is ok too?
OK, but was it really Joran’s parent’s car? It was kind of pimped out.
Dallas Also…you live around here…you must see those types of Hondas….with the pimped out back lights? I would laugh if his parents pimped their ride like that!
Woodguy 5 days don’t make you a island expert. The body would have been found. If it was done by a unknown person they would not care if body was found.
I don’t think the media is caring about the parents at this point if friday/saturday is any indication. The reports of kissing and touching come from a lawyer not the media themselves. LIke i said before there has been no media report of sex, only kissing /touching. As I said before one fox reporter went so far as to correct sean hannity regarding the rumor that it was sex and clarified that it was only kissing. If they did have sex with her they would certainly want to admit it in case any semen is found on the body (assuming it can be found). I still think the reports say some sort of making out unless I can see evidence to the contrary.
kerin,, nobody is judging your lack of sexual experience… Im quite sure you have alot..
you are the one that says it doesnt add up.. im just saying it can happen, happens all the time im sure.
it was his car!
I know Kerin…your son IS a pimp, isn’t he? He’ll be rich one day, though, and you’ll be so proud! LOL!
Its Joran’s Car, and even tho he is only 17 he is 6.3 so naturally he is probably the leader of this pack. I do agree I would not have anyone drive my car either..so that is mighty strange. As on of the commentary is going, I hope this influential judge official is not coaching his sons and friends. Police in Aruba do seem to stall questioning a 17 yr old or a 18, yr old…that means they are incompetent, to extract a confession or the boys father has coached them to a certain degree.
A curacao rumor has it Joran showed up at school the next day wiuth scratches on his face.
These boys are admitting guilt to nothing illegal. Until a body is found, they won’t be talking. It will be like hanging themselves when they confess.
Most sober person likely driving that night
I hadn’t seen a picture of the car, I didn’t know that it had been customized. I ony had heard that 18 was the minimum age for a driver’s license. But yes, he also was in CnC and minimum drinking age is 18 as well.
He might be 6.3, but I’d drop him like a sack of potatos if I ever saw his guilty smirk.
Sober person driving…that brings up something I’ve been meaning to ask. Are there laws against drunken driving in Aruba? It’s kind of off-topic, but I was wondering that myself. Good point, SoinSO.
Iquitos, remember Curacao is a sister island of Aruba, to my knowledge Joran never left the island of aruba?
inquitos, I heard the same “rumor”..
This is another reason why them not doing more tests on whatever the stains are in the car doesn’t make sense. I think they need to see if the stains are semen and, if so, is it from all 3, only Joran? I would think if there was evidence from all 3 then it would cast even more light on what happened.
LMAO, Dallas! “Customized”. I couldn’t remember the term, but that’s exactly what it is! Customized = pimped out!
You must be younger than me! I feel totally old now!
Someone said the same thing on Geraldo tonight Kerin. If it is semen that would conflict with earlier reports that they were just kissing. And it would be especially bad if it was from one of the brothers.
K…actually if you saw my son you would laugh at us calling him a pimp. 6 ft 4 and 125 lbs…LOL
Today’s lack of information doesn’t mean that it wasn’t an active day. It means that there will be no more leaking to the press.
All right. GOOD NIGHT everybody…Bon Nochi y tur cos bon. I apologize for my unsollicited, irreverent, but somewhat iconoclastic style stream of conscious humor. I was merely intimating in a metaphorical sense that my posts along with everybody else’s is just mere speculation and conjecture. I hope from the bottom of my heart that this nightmare comes to some positive ending.
k in tx, you would be surprised what so called “good girls” are capable of. i graduated with a 4.0, graduated from a prestigious college, was considered a good girl by friends and family and i did a lot of things that would be classified as “bad”. i’m not blaming her at all and i’m not going to beat a dead horse either so i’m going to stop here. i also believe natalee was drugged and the alcohol and drugs contributed to her death. not sure if it was accidental or not though.
I guess if Van Der Sleaze is too young to drive he must pull up to the casinos and bars on his Batman Big Wheel……!!! That’s why he’s such a ladies man. Punk
If that was Joran’s parents’ vehicle and they allow him to drive it out–to a bar at 2 a.m.–then why do you think anyone else would drive it home? It’s not like his parents give a damn…think about it…they let their underage son take the car out to a bar late at night…It’s not like he has something to hide from them…they are obviously willing to allow him to take that risk if they let him take it.
If that is his parent’s vehicle (and not one of the brother’s cars), I think that provides all the insight we need for the problem with his parents and shines a lot of light on his behavior…1. They provide a means for him to break the law; 2. They don’t seem to fear the consequences of the risks associated with allowing him to break the law…makes you wonder if the laws are different for him due to his father’s position
There is still every reason to believe that someone is holding her right now, and they are scared to give her up. Let’s hold onto that thought.
Did you see the comment aruba being such a small and inbred place that if one passes gas at the lighthouse it is discussed in town within minutes. I think the same applies to the rumor mill from Aruba to Curacao. I heard it here in the US through the Surinam grapevine. there are close relationships between them all.
Night Boo – thanks for lifting the mood a little – humor much needed, only slightly irreverent
At this point Joran’s being a minor and getting all the access to Casino, Driving and drinking, and leader of a 18, 21 year old brothers already tell you something. He appears to have had some anger management issues, and the night of the kidnapping/murder he was involved in a shoving or shouting match with Natalees friends…at CnC can someone confirm this? Also I wonder if he was doing roids…that usually make one short tempered and agressive. I dread the the real possibility if Natalee was brutally hurt, she seem so petite and frail.
Bon Nochi Booya….sleep tight
I doubt that any parent would have a vehicle that look like that. It seemed like some out pimp my ride, not exactly the sort of car a justice official would drive.
a 4.0 in high school that is, not college:)
I was just looking at Amy Bradley’s website. I hope Natalee’s case starts putting some heat on the officials regarding Amy. Her brother was on Geraldo saying that their officials are not and have never cooperated with American officials in any way.
DT-
The report of them having sex comes fro a translation of the 3 brothers statement in Dutch. They used the word ‘vrijen’ which can mean everything from making out to having sex.
aruba girl-yhanx and nite to you.
next big aruba update when jackson goes to ca court for verdict
One of the bro’s lawyer said “kissing and more”
For any of the native’s of aruba – How well observed is the law that no one under 18 can drive? Do police usually just look the other way and let it slide, or what?
I wonder if you can clean semen or blood from a car. The brothers family has a rental car place and probably has access to all kinds of things that can make a car squeeky clean in 10 days or less.
Bama…me too. The cruise line would not help them in any way and they have gotten little help in the past 7 years, despite sightings of Amy.
Natalee stepfather said that he found Joran being a cocky person. I guess if you had a dad that lets you get away with alot you become such a person. Joran previous violent tendencies have been to push someone thru a glass plate… I think this guy is a real psycho in the making, I read that he was in the process of applying to a school in Tampa, ST. Leo….I d call that school and check on there sexual predator policies…and call the Home Land security if they are even crazy to give him an international student visa.
If they catch you driving without a license, you get a fine and take the car….that’s pretty much it…..
Geez Tila- I thought I knew you there for a second !!!
I think he had already been accepted to st. leo on full scholarship – not positive.
Native…may be a silly question but are there any laws in Aruba like we have in the US where parents are held responsible for the actions of their children? (like driving without a license…underage drinking, etc)
That shithead best not try to go to school in this South!
Mordred I think the word vrijren came from a dutch newspaper that was translated on RiehlWorldView not from the actual statements. The lawyer for one of the guard who had the statements said it was “kissing and a little more” which is consistent with the AP”s latest “kissing and fondling” not her having sex.
I doubt he’ll be going to school here any more. Surely he has more sense than that.
Arubagirl, most Americans are wonderful like most Arubans. Please come and visit us anytime. You have been a great help in keeping us informed. This has been such a sad time, my daughter has been having a difficult time sleeping and she never even met Natalee. She worries about her being alone either dead or alive. Anything the locals can do to solve this case for Natalee’s family would be wonderful. God Bless us all.
No, Not really….depends on the case i guess…
Is there a prison in Aruba? Where will the boys spend their sentence if they are convicted and what are the prisons like there? Is there cable tv like in the US?
So what happenes to the other guys apart from their moms and girlfriends any more alibis? do the know the 3 fellows?
I’d say that he wanted sex, she didn’t like that idea especially with the bros there, so Van der Poot got rough and the party was over.
Today I learned that Amy Bradley story has some common links with Natalee….
1. Carlos and Charlies.
2. Musicians, apparently an Arubian Dance Troupe went on the Rhapsody of the Seas, and met with Amy, and wanted her to go to CnC…she did not but somehow enroute to Curacao Disappeard.
3. On May 31 there was a Sun Beach Festival, and according to the lying Suriname brothers they describe a security guard, whose black tshirt mathes the Sun Beach Festival. If this is true would hate to see these 3 get off..but dunno
really TAC, why is that?
Yes, on Gerlado’s show he stated that Joran had been accepted to play soccer at the school in Tampa. Nice thought that maybe this guy is responsible for a horrific crime, could get away with it, and then come free and clear to the US.
Sarah…Yes there is a prison in San Nicolaas….they have everything in prison…including great food and cable t.v.
If he does come free and clear to the US, he will not be leaving free and clear.
KerinTX,
I hope St Leo or whomever would turn him down, its like rewarding an evil deed.
Go Bama!
I hope there is a big ole boy there just waiting to make Joran his b—-.
There are some lighthouses not far from Tampa……
Booyakasha
Good night, I second you on hoping this comes to a conclusion, a happy one i hope.
I am sure he will not be getting his student visa to states that is over and dead. Innocent or not his behaviour has cost him one way or the other
Just pulling your chain…….
…the 4.0 prestigious college etc.
Tanya…the other 2 guys are still in custody…..
Whats the latest about the sixth guy aressted?
Did you guys see how Fox News completely brushed off Amy’s family and the gentleman that claimed he had a sighting of her on the island? They were on the show for about 2 minutes. What a damn shame.
I guess that would all depend on how powerful daddy really is….
I saw that. Bothered me, too. I’m sure that poor family has had more than their fair share of being brushed off.
We might get him a scholarship to come to Ttown, and show him a nice place to hit on girls.
Sixth guy? Whats going on.
It was almost like someone (somewhere) told them to pull the plug on the segment with Amy’s family.
Off the subject, but why does my browser open a search window every time I hit the comma sign on this site?
I surmise if Joran was the owner of the car and if he was suddenly found int he back..it would suggest to me that Natalee may have been drugged, and the playboys had a MO going..I d say the drug of choice would be Ecstacy, which in somecases can case cardiac arrest and coma to some victims. To quote I think something really bad happened and got worse afterwards…can’t believe this case is going in its 3 rd week….
I heard on the news a guy was arrested yesterday morn?
Tanya….6th guy is unrelated from what I hear….but at this point who knows?
I don’t believe there is any connection with the Amy case. They are just hoping to springboard the hunt for Amy from Natalee’s disappearance and really who could blame them.
this is from riehl world on subject of car. aruban posted:
The father of the two brother is not Naresh Kalpoe and he has nothing to do with Air Suriname, he has a carrental on the island. The confiscated car is not from Joran van der Sloot, nor from his family. It is from Deepak Kalpoe. He is 21 years old. Thank you!
Has amy been sighted in aruba?
native- can you really be awake enuf to go thru it all…however nice it is…people comming in need to read back a long way and sep the chk shit from chk salad….
seriously.
sweet dreams.
we’ll know more tomorrow
Saw that Tila… that was her younger brother. He was not happy with the way he was cut off.
That;s been happening to Amy’s family for years, Tila. I have stayed up to date on her story for years. It is being handled (if you want to say anyone is handling) by Aruba’s sister island of Curacao and they have not done a thing to help the Bradley family in their search. These poor people have depleted all resources to find her and it looks like a very good possibility that she is in a brothel (possibly in Venezuela)
IDon’tKnow – we can take him to Harry’s and buy him a bucket
wonder why fbi did not get on amy’s case like gangbusters.
Nite friend…
You know it Bama!
I believe her case was reported late due to some delay unfortunately
Rudy Croes was the person who gave the initial news that the Natalee was dead and one of the suspect confessed but then later he said it he was himself a victim of misinformation…by whom? Also he looks remarkably like the brother of Betico Croes the politician that lead Aruba to a status aparte from the Nederlands Antilles. (he died by the way)
Sadly sometimes it IS who you know…
I’ll intro him to some good friends, Smith and Wesson.
Fox still is being cautious for now about their reporting of information, but they will be back to their normal information flow after this case breaks. At that time, I think that Amy Bradley will get additional coverage.
the tie between Amy and Natalee in relation to Aruba is none really. Amy’s cruise ship left Aruba and she was still onboard but disappeared before docking at the next port
this case is so flawed, be surprised if its ever resolved
Hey BamaBabe, where youat?
Compa, He IS the brother of Betico Croes…..
These boys will likely break if they are cut off from family for a while and left alone….no questioning. They are not the type to want to be locked down. It will detroy their confidence
I think if Amy has been abducted the only way to get her back it to kidnap her back. Since the brothels are known, fake johns would be sent in, and located the missing person. Then with a firm escape route planned prior, hit the place, and rescue the girl….I m am very surprised the FBI or CIA has not done so already..I m thinking why the hell do we have homeland security..
Enola, as long as you’ve got people in custody, the case has hope. It is pretty good to assume that the three guys didn’t drop her off as they said. The plan now is to get the truth from them.
Unfortunately Amys family probably did not know anyone with connections powerful enough to get the FBI involved.
I dont think thats its impossible that the two cases could be related, but Im beginning to think that theyre not.
I wonder if there are other girls out there that are missing from the States who are still alive and being held slave? Probably so. Scares me to death.
Do you think they are “cut off” from family?
Native – I always thought that Rudy Croes was Betico’s brother.
yep, the three guys story stinks!!!!
Bamababe, we have active imaginations. Don’t go too far in those thoughts.
missing girls happen in all countries. Aruba is no different from Canada, USA, Jamaica etc. Crime happens allover.
the tie that some are trying to make in the 2 cases is that crew members onboard wanted to take Amy to C&C while they were docked in Aruba but she didn’t go. Then a band member came up to Amy’s mom at sea and began asking, what she thought, were strange questions regarding Amy. That night/early morning, Amy partied and was last seen in her cabin at about 5:30am and by 6 am she had disappeared off the ship
Red,,,,he IS..
I keep thinking about that US soldier that saw her in the brothel and didn’t help her b/c he was worried that he would get in trouble. That just pisses me off.
BamaBabe, you’re right, that marine totally blew it. Amy Bradley went missing in 1998 and that marine saw her in 1999. But at least that incident let the family know that Amy was alive, which I’m sure was an unresolved question in their minds.
Bama…actually there are quite a few other girls missing. One I know of was visiting the Sandals resort in Negril, Jamaica and there is another one who worked for a travel magazine (Frommers) missing from Jamaica
did she give him her name. How does he know its her?
To me Rudy Croes comes off as being very sincere. But I am thinking why the misinformation, I know the blame was place on AP news and CNN..but what and who said it first. And if wrong why was it wrong, and by whom..there must have been reason for such deception..who gained what from it…was it a way to stop the hounding press? To give them a black eye and not probe so deep? And if so the powers to be would in turn make one of their own take a tumble….
Native – I met him years ago in the 80′s obviously prior to his untimely death. The work that he did for independence was amazing. He was a great guy and was always cordial to my family and I.
and millions from Canada too
hey yall… I’m back. What’s new?
Red, He was a great man indeed…
I think that those are good and interesting questions Compananzi.
Hi—
Yes, she went up to him and said My name is Amy Bradley and I need help. He told her there was a US Naval Ship docked five minutes away and that she could leave. Then then said, No you dont understand. I need help. He then left.
This is according to the interview of her parents who said that the soldier contacted them after he retired and relayed the story to them.
Same ole yak.
Tanya…yes, she said “I am Amy Bradley and I need help”. He says at the time he didn’t know who Amy Bradley was…
Any news — what turned out to be the deal with the blood…
How was the movie?
Fox news right now
oh, ok. I figured. How ya been?
Compa, I don’t recall Rudy giving that statement…where did you hear/read this?
—, how are you?
Her name is Claudia Kirschhoch, if you notice all girls missing are exceptionally beautiful, fit and young…Someone or some organization is profiling certain Americans…and Why Americans, why not Colombians or Venezuelans?
findclaudia.homestead.com
I say if you want to find Natallee comb over all the construction sites like crazy near the hotel, and if that doesn’t work, get some sniffing dogs over to the landfill ASAP…
I’m good, how are you?
Not blood! Something else??
Kissing and fondling in the backseat…I find it very strange that they would drive to the beach so VDS and Nat could kiss and fondle in the backseat while these other 2 goons just sat in the front seat like some kind of psycho double date. Just doesn’t add up. They’re lying. Also, the drop off at the HI.if they just had a sweet innocent session of kissing why would she be nasty to him about helping her up after she “stumbled”. And…..it’s funny that while that was happening they managed to see a guy in black holding a walkie talkie approach her and yet no one else saw any of this ?? Liar, Liar Van Der Sleaze is on fire !!!
Hey —, you came back within minutes of me. How was “Pants”? I saw Mr and Mrs. Smith.
There is probably a market for American girls since we are so hated internationally. It would probably make the day of some scumbags to defile a pretty American.
I’m much better. At this point it seems as if everyone on here is being pretty respectful and not nearly as rude as earlier today. I’m glad I took a break for a while. Much nicer people now it seems.
Do they even have a dog there?
The name Rudy Croes was the name that Foxnews said that give that info…about Natalee being found, and one of the boys confessed….After the retraction I still wonder if this is true tho…but if so why the delay?
was it… this whole thing is so frusterating — i can’t watch the news anymore — after the whole ‘she was murdered’ debacle Friday night I can’t bring myself to watch anymore of it…
Bama…just what I was thinking
It was really good, but I made GPT go and he’s a boy, so he spent the whole time complaining. haha. Other than that, it was REALLY good. How was Mr. and Mrs. Smith?
welcome back, Natalee’s friends.
Aruba Update: Site Excavated Today
According to reports from Aruba authorities were called out to a site today as a result of a report by concerned Arubans who continue to search for Natalee Holloway on their own.
The site was located near the Lighthouse and appeared to be a make shift grave marked with objects from the surrounding area. Excavation of the site yielded no signs of anything material to the Natalee Holloway investigation.
Locals were especially concerned as there were signs that the makeshift grave showed distinctive signs of organic decomposition. Reportedly, a dog and possibly another unidentified animal were uncovered. It has not been confirmed that this was linked to the bloody mattress found earlier in the investigation which was determined to be covered with canine blood. Additionally, that mattress was discovered on the other side of the tiny island.
From Riehl World….
It was a good movie (I’d give it 3 stars). Much better than I’d expected and very clever.
Wood: i want to set Vad Der Sleaze on fire… is that bad???
Again, without any evidence presented, without any trial, I’ve just read posts advocating the rape and murder of a 17 year old boy whose only crime thus far is being in the wrong place at the wrong time. You people are sick.
For all you people know Natalie went to the boys and begged them to help her so she didn’t have to return home because she could not bear being abused anymore…she swore them to silence and the FBI and the local LE are investigating.
At this point that story is as likely as any other, why not wait for evidence before hoping a boy is raped in prison or volunteering to kill him if he comes to the U.S.
And NAVY man, I think 20 years of service in an U.S. gov. intelligence agency would suffice as plenty of experience, don’t you? Also, European teens are given far more freedom as kids versus the oppressive environment most American kids are raised in, which merely fosters the crap we see on spring break TV…they finally get out of their parent’s homes and they don’t know how to act. Euro teens travel on their own and in groups and it’s not uncommon to see groups of them heading out to ski (GASP) unchaperoned on trains. They learn about alcohol (as my own kids did) by drinking wine and champagne at home with their families instead of thinking the great forbidden secret, the great no no means that as soon as mama’s back is turned they have to have a kegger at the local frat house. BTW it is not against the law in the United States for parents to give their own children alcohol. I ordered wine for my daughters when we were out together all the time. Better a fine glass of wine than puking drunk on the frat house lawn.
Compananzi –
The misinformation comment almost seems like a ploy. If I did not know better with all that is going on behind the scenes and with the FBI present in Aruba w/o diving, that there is more to all of this.
It is hard for me to imagine that 3 teens could commit this type of crime and get away with it. Professional yes, teens no. There usually is always a mistake done by people who commit such crimes.
If I did not know better and this is my “reading way too many crime novels” that there just may be more to this and maybe some conspiracy theories are correct. All these FBI guys down there. Are they in Aruba or in other surrounding countries and islands looking for her? Who knows. Its just hard to believe that 3 teens could withstand FBI interrogation.
Is Croes not the Minister of Justice, i.e. the man in charge of the police and the courts?
Bad things happen to good people, good things happen to bad people,…and vice versa, supposedly the best place to have a car accident is withing 5 miles of your home,..we may never know all the details but please just find her in whatever state she’s in and learn whatever lessons from this whole experience.
And then let there be peace on earth,.next to the next mystery
I don’t know if they do or not…but they should get one over there…I’d be curious to know what day all the trucks pick up commercial waste from sites like this…
Compa….According to interview with Rudy Croes yesterday he emphatically stated that he did not give any info to any media……..
From the whole day of activities, here are the only things that happen:
1. apparently they dug a whole bunch up around the lighthouse and have nothing to report
2. they report that the blood stain was not a blood stain and they say that if it is just sweat, and it has Natalee’s DNA, that this tells them nothing knew, since they know Natalee was in the car.
3. the Prime Minister held a press conference, only invited the local press, spoke in ppmiento not English, and basically said nothing except that they are working as hard as they can to solve the case.
I think they are trying to crack the three guys and I think they are waiting on test results. There is nothing to say that Natalee is dead and not just being held.
I want to see it. Tonight was a nice break from everything. I want to go see evrything that’s out right now. haha
The only reason I had given weight to the info was the fact that in Aruba, things are clumsy, and sucha information released early would fit that scenario. On the face of it would be pretty normal, with hundreds of homicide that would be the pattern…The idea of a smuggling sex trade ring does sound farfatched but because we want to find Natalee and want to see her alive is so hopeful to think the later scenario is possible.
Mason: WTF: — and I know Nat; she’s not like that… She’s not a runaway; she has a great life here,great friends, a great family, and a great future ahead of her.
Forensics from car came back in .. @ 24 hours, went to Quantico? DC? And the other forensic evidence if there is any, is …. in the Netherlands? And how long has it been there? When they arrested J, was he in his home? That looked like a hotel lobby he was walking out of.
So basically, they still don’t know anything?
Personally I have not wished anyone involved in this any harm. I just think Natalee’s friends and family deserve answers and soon. If that means using extreme tactics to get a confession, then so be it. And I am not talking about beating him up or using electroshock. There are other ways to get a teen to talk.
Croes IS the Min. of Justice, but he is not in charge of the courts…..
Yeah. I could make him talk. Real fast. Give me like 5 mintues…
I think the comments about the 17 year old are natural comments by those who know Natalee and those who don’t, but all who believe it is most likely with this man that she disappeared. If it were my daughter or friend I would most likely be more vivid about what I would like to do to him.
Don’t feel bad KerinTX, I want to beat the crap out of the kid, to be quite honest…
Just in time a forensic pathologist on Fox
There are so many options though! I don’t know which I would choose!
If the aruban authorites keep the pressure on, J will talk
— and GPTMB, we were successful in running off some posters that wanted to do the old blame-game on your chaperones and on you guys. We squashed ‘em.
But I want you to know that more will be back. Just ignore them please. They are small-minded and soapboxing, without sufficient information to know what they’re talking about.
I must have a really evil “look” when I want to because I have always been successful in getting my students to spill the beans. Of course none of those instances involved anything heartbreaking like this but quite a few have involved drugs and theft.
Yay. Thank’s for keeping the spirit of Nat’s friends alive, and this page clear and free of excessive rumor…
— and GPTMB, also Natalee’s mom is going to appear tomorrow morning on NBC and be interviewed by Katie Couric. We think it will come on about 7:45 am Eastern time.
Mason….you are an arrogant asshole. Typical coward ….gov’t intel and bashing the country that made your life and feed your children. Why do you insist on bringing things that have nothing to do with what we are here for???
Thanks Dallas Also… Yall are really sweet to help keep offensive people out of here.
Enola, the Aruban officials are protecting Joran. They won’t put any pressure on him.
With preassure they will eventually talk….if they are indeed guilty of a crime, but what if they are not?????
There is one among us who persists in chastising the innocent victimand friends.
I’m really curious as to who the security guards at the Marriott and the mall were that night at the construction zones….
Earlier in the evening we went through a “trash aruba and arubans” phase. Pretty nasty too. I think those guys are gone now too.
i have a really evil fist, which, if i were in Aruba, would come in contact with Ducth-Boy’s face…
GP, Joran’s friends have said the same things about him.
You don’t know what happened behind closed doors at natalie’s home anymore than you know what happened that night in Aruba. Again, why not wait for EVIDENCE before you convict someone of a crime? Those five people are not charged with anything, they’re merely being held and questioned as the law allows. If those people were in the United States they would be free walking the streets right now, did you know that? Without evidence and charging, you cannot hold someone more than 48 hours. Perhaps people screaming for extradition to the U.S. would be better served to remember that. As far as the public knows, there is not a shred of evidence against these boys. Just a powerful rich American family using their political clout to get the FBI involved. Bet Condi Rice would not have answered her phone for Jane Doe.
All the screaming that Joran’s family must be so powerful they’re instigating a cover up is silly. The whole world is watching Aruba right now and his family hardly seems wealthy and most certainly not as wealthy and powerful as Natalie’s family.
Dallas I heard the family wasn’t going to be talking for the next 24 hours.
— and GPTMB, one more thing – it has been announced that the “FBI has asked the family to refrain from reactions” for 24 hours. We are hoping that this means that the FBI is close to cracking the case. We personally want to see some troops swarm in and find where Natalee is and get her home.
Someone show Mason Dixon the door
N A T A L E E
I guess that is my question…how much pressure is being put on him? Is he allowed to spend time with his family? What is he eating? I mean, how seriously is he taking this? Are they treating him like a common criminal and keeping him secluded from family that would make him feel safe or are the being hard-sses to get the answers we need?
yeah… we don’t need to do that… Honestly, it’s the same as people trashing Mtn Brook… There are more good people in Aruba than there are bad… and lookin at some of —’s pictures it was lookin like Aruba was a whole lot prettier than MB too, haha.
DT, maybe they asked the family not to talk early this morning, and maybe tomorrow, the 24 hours are up. I know that our NBC station here in Dallas mentioned, on the 10 o’clock news, that she would be on the show tomorrow.
There he is.
Okay Mason,
why would the body go missing if person was not known to be with her? why hide the body?
S. Taylor, nobody is protecting anybody…..at this time there are political issues with the dutch government, and belief me, the local government would have a field day if this dutch well connected boy is indeed guilty……
Good, I hope this is all over soon and they bring her back safely.
Oh well…I guess the room is not completely peaceful
GPTMB and — , did you both know Natalee personally? I haven’t been following these boards recently.
I think we need to get Horatio down there.
“S.Taylor–Enola, the Aruban officials are protecting Joran. They won’t put any pressure on him. ” I pray thats not true, but I wonder how much they are stonewalling
okay, some peopel dont seem to be understanding this: The Twitty’s are not filty stinking rich as so many are inclined to believe. The have friends with a lot of money and power who have vountarily lent the family help (like flying them down there on private jets and the like) they have not “bought” this publicity. Honestly, it was a slow news week. The news jumped on this b/c they’re next biggest thing was Tropical Storm Arlene…
WoodGuy Said:
Mason….you are an arrogant asshole. Typical coward ….gov’t intel and bashing the country that made your life and feed your children. Why do you insist on bringing things that have nothing to do with what we are here for???
Woodguy, I didn’t get that from Mason at all. Seems he/she is only emphasizing patience. Last I remember, innocent until “proven” guilty.
What are YOU here for? I’m here for intelligent discourse and because I would like to see JUSTICE done.
Mason, you have a lot of catching up to do. You are raising questions that have already been answered.
We know for a fact that the three guys lied. Go do some digging.
Yeah, She and I have been friends for a while and I was on the trip with her.
Yes, Bamababe, we do. Or maybe some of the ballbusters from The Shield. Either would suit me just fine. Just get someone in there that can get some answers that make sense.
— knows her better than I do. But yeah, we both know her and we both “run in the same circles” if you will
Mason….you say in one sentence that “We don’t know anything about it and should wait for the evidence to come out”….2 sentences later you say “There’s not a shred of evidence against these boys”…..so which is it ??? Some Intel guy you are
I’ve heard that friends have been asked to keep a tight lip regarding the details of the trip relevent to the case, is that true?
No need to explain, GPTMB. If it were MY daughter I would call as many people as I could, in as many positions of authority as I could, until I got the right person to help me get my baby back home. Natalee’s parents did just what any other set of parents would do.
In the unlikely event troops do sorm in i sincerley hope they are better at finding Natalee than they were with WMD. Why do we think we always know better than everybody else? There is a lot of thechnology for discovering recently disturbed earth from the air, maybe even with satellites. That might be better than troops. Unfortunately if there has been foul play the likely disposal option woud be the sea. What are the currents around Aruba?
We may be being monitored by the FBI
I may be the FBI…..
Whodennie…..you weren’t here before to hear his rants
yeah. no specifics of the night or the trip. — and I are here to defend Natalee’s reputation as well as that of our friends and community.
No one has asked us not to talk… in fact, all interviews I’ve been asked to do have been approved… most I just chose not to b/c it gets a little difficult with ppl interogating you, even if they don’t mean to.
— and GPTMB, after the Prime Minister gave his speech, the board pretty well went off on him for announcing nothing. With the visibility that the problem is being given by Katie Couric, you can bet that this will stay in the forefront.
Americans can deal with a murder much better than with one of their own gone missing. We don’t much let up in that situation.
Bamababe: well okay… they’re not getting much… this board, from what i can tell is just a compilation of different news sources information trying to piece some sense out of this horrible situation…
Bama…I suspected you might be “the man”
I know – just trying to lighten things up a bit.
I do hope the FBI is given an eye on this board, some useful information and insight has been suggested.
One poster tonight had said that after Natalee left CnC in the car with the three guys, that along the drive, the guys pulled over and briefly said hello to a friend that I guess they saw while driving out to the lighthouse. I hadn’t heard that before.
Natalee is a human being. Her nationality should not matter. She is a victim of a crime. Lets Lay off country bashing waste of energy.
If the FBI is monitoring, I ask them to take this investigation over from the Aruban police. Let’s get some pros in there to solve this. The Aruba Police remind me of Chief Wiggum from the Simpsons.
WoodGuy, you are ASSUMING. Just because I wasn’t posting doesn’t mean I wasn’t reading.
Mason is providing another perspective. Someone mentioned he should be shown the door. That’s total B.S.
Patience is a vitue.
I’m pretty sure the FBI knows way more than can be found on this board…. at least I would hope so!
GPTMD, as far as I’m concerned you don’t have to defend anyone. Anyone who is here to place blame on Natalee, her family, or the adults on the trip can be ignored. Natalee’s reputation good or bad (which from what I understand is quite good), has nothing to do with what happened to her. Her parents’ money or lack thereof has nothing to do with this. The poor people of Aruba who are taking a beating have nothing to do with this. So please understand that you don’t have to defend anyone. You can just chat with us if you want. Screw those people who try to turn this into an unpleasant place to be!
I’ve heard that actually, Dallas. Apparently the person asked natalee to come with them, but she declined. Of course, this is just a rumor like so much else.
and a virtue too.
No one has mentioned for some time the fact that there was a security G at th HI who said he never saw Natalee returned there, and the video was working and did not show anything there ither.
Compananzi..I know, I was amazed at how many points we had all made in here were ones that now are coming out of the mouths of Geraldo’s experts
V I R T U E
Hey if the FBI is reading this board, and they need some help, call me up! I’d be more than happy to come down and help! But I’m a broke college student…
I think that we all (definitely me included) think that we are so smart because weve all been watching too much TV. They are probably actually doing an excellent investigation, but because of the way that the Dutch authorities do not communicate every little thing, we just dont know it.
I hope that there is some truth to finding cuts on Jorans face or hands…it would be consistent of some defensive action when someone is being raped or attacked. Its just that in Aruba I do not know if things like these would be noticed.
I’m bashing people who think it is their right to circumvent the law and put aside the basic human rights of innocent until proven guilty, those who advocate the rape and murder of a 17 year old boy because they SUSPECT he did something. Evil in today’s society, you do it and you don’t even think it’s wrong.
We don’t know anything therefore we should withold our judgment.
The only advertised “evidence” blood, is not blood. Therefore, as we stand here right now, there is no evidence that we know of and certainly nothing that would warrant them being held for an uncertain amount of time without being charged. In the U.S. based on the evidence as we know it, they’d be walking the street.
The friends of both Natalie and Joran say they’re both really great people. Clearly both of them are/were a little wild. So, which is it. We have 5 men being held, none of them being charged and as far as we know no physical evidence.
“the guys pulled over and briefly said hello to a friend that I guess they saw while driving out to the lighthouse” this tightens up there timeline even more
I really doubt that the fbi searches blog comments for information regarding national cases, if they do God help us all.
I know for a fact they never dropped her off at the hotel. They are so obviously lying, it almost makes me ill.
S.Taylor….again….there are around 30 FBI agents on the island…..they are not on vacation….they are ACTIVELY involved in the investigation….I know it for a fact…
As far as I’m concerned I think all security guards in the area should be brought in and questioned in the area…it was night time…maybe the three guys didn’t get a good look at the guy and he seemed dark to them…
Bama I would agree were it not that they let the three men go without adequate interrogation and also because of all the misinformation as of late. Absolutely no one in the Aruban gov. can be trusted, not even the PM.
Mason’s rude. I was here earlier. You’d never hear a female talk so disparagingly about another female or her family, especially in a situation like this. Open forum – free speech, that’s why we’re here – I’m here – to discuss things, and try to understand, while we wait. And wait. And wait. There’s always 1 or 2
Mason, 99% of the evidence is gone since they let those guys go. Clothes, car, etc all gone. Not to mention that I’m sure the Aruba police are hiding evidence to let this rich kid off.
By the way has anyone heard anything more about reports that Natalee was drinking/drunk that night?
Native, maybe the stupidity of the Aruba Police is rubbing off on our FBI agents.
Mason, we are not seriously cooking up a scheme to bring Joran to the United States and buy him a bucket at Harry’s, okay? Calm down a little. Were blowing off steam. You might have heard of the term “joking around”?
—, were you interviewed by the Aruban Police or the FBI?
Mason, we don’t like the guy and we think he is a liar and a monster and FBI on here or not we choose to say how we feel about the shitass.
Mason says: “Clearly both of them are/were a little wild.”
It’s not CLEAR at all that Natalee is “wild.” Now YOU are pornouncing judgement on Natalee
thank you BB
As much as I would like for Joran or anyone to be guilty, I have to agree with Mason….we have to be patient and wait for facts…..
All the PM seems to say is “ohhhh come to Aruba… we are such a good country! We have no crime!” he doesnt seem to care one way or the other about Nat… people are only looking out for themselves… granted that’s human nature, but i think in this case, it’s unexcusable. But I guess I’m a little biased…
Pronouncing, I meant.
Mason – You are correct in that we should not be making any judgements. No evidence has been presented. However, that doesn’t mean that there in no evidence. I suspect (and hope) that the authorities know quite a bit. Different system from ours though, and they are keeping that all to themselves.
Whodennie….the purpose of this post I assumed was to talk about this case and to hope for this girls return…..The problem begins when someone like your buddy there goes complete off topic and starts bashing the USA and driving his political agenda. There are other chat areas for that all over the internet. Like I said….it’s arragonce and the “Holier than Thou” attitude that people here have a problem with. This is NOT a political room.
— and GPTMB, we also had this series of posts about 2 hours ago from an American who lives in Aruba:
AmericaninAruba Says:
June 12th, 2005 at 9:24 pm
very strange story but i know the lady that was at the gas station that apparently said Natalee was their and caught her on tape but the parebnts said it wasnt her….she is 99.9999% sure it was her and that the parents acted very “strangely” with the whole thing
Bill Says:
June 12th, 2005 at 9:26 pm
AmericaninAruba, why didn’t the lady at the gas station grab on to her. With a $55k reward, I’d have thrown a net over this girl if I was 99.9999% sure it was Natalee.
AmericanInAruba Says:
June 12th, 2005 at 9:30 pm
3 FBI agents arrived with the mother ion the island on monday…..and thelady couldnt grab her becuase she had just been in a motrocylcel accident and couldnt get over hte counter she yelled to the guy outside to run aftert her but by the time he got to her she got in a car and left…and unfortunately the retard guy didnt get the license #
Mason, I think I heard right here on this board from someone who was on the trip that the boy is claiming to have dropped her on the side of the hotel with the pool (conveniently no cameras there), but all of Natalee’s friends just happened to be hanging out at the pool and would have seen that had it happened. Had it happened that way they boy would have seen Natalee’s friends. That is how many KNOW he is lying about dropping her off.
Im not sure if it was last week or so, I was thumbing tru diario or bondia, and saw a page full of escort services.. To me if a paper advertises escort service with both incall or out call it just tells me high class prostititution is doing extremely well.
The only thing the FBI is likely to learn here is what they already know, people are vicious and quick to judge and offer violence and assault when they aren’t getting what they believe they are due. Our media feeds us, they can’t feed us now, different country different rules, so they make it up and the starving jump on it as truth.
On one hand the people accuse Joran’s family of using political clout to protect and shield him (even though he and four other people are in jail without being charged, something that would NOT happen and is in fact AGAINST THE LAW in the United States) and on the other hand people think it’s perfectly ok for Natalie’s family to use political clout to get the FBI called in when normally they’d never bother. Which is it folks?
hmmm… that’s new… and disturbing… missed that one…
This constant reference to the Holiday Inn Security camera being broken is worrisome to me. What does HI gain from leaking this? Does a broken camera and no guard on the front gate make them look good? Were HI people involved? Did they erase the tape? The lawyers for the Security Guards have said if there is no proof the boys and Natalee ever came back to the hotel how can they place the security guards at the scene?
I would have to disagree with that. I have not heard any of Natalee’s friends say she was anything but a kind and upstanding member of her community. On the other hand, some say Joran was a gifted athlete and honors student and others say he has an anger problem and recently threw a classmate through a glass window. Also, he is well-known to be a regular at a bar where he is too young to be at…he is driving illegally. He has a webpage professing to be a “pimp” and looking for a physical relationship.
Sorry but I don’t think they were similar at all. More like the age old thing of nice girls being attracted to the “bad boys”
Be patient and wait for the facts? It’s been two weeks and nothing. Time to have the corrupt police move over and let experts do this.
I saw the pictures of the girl in the store… It’s definitely not Nat..
Hi All, been following thkis weebsite and all the posts for the past 4 days. Lot of intersting “opinions,” and some not-so-nice personal attacks. Bt beyond that, I want to let you all k now that this incident has hit the heart of America, even to the “lowest” element, figuratively speaking.
I was at a biker hang-out yesterday with a lot of friends, and this issue was being discussed by all the gangs; the Hells Angels, Mongols, Vogols, and Hessians. And I must say, maybe NH’s parents would be better off enlisting the help of the Hells Angels to find their daughter than either the FBI or the local Aruban gov. In a matter of days, there would be more HA’s on that island than there are residents, and these guys would have NO PROBLEM burning the place to the ground to find answers. The three amigos would have either spilled their beans already or died horrifically painful deaths, as would the whole Van der Sloot family, since their suspicions are keen on this local boy. I was surprised about how well versed they are all, and I believe they know what happened, and where to start – and how to finish. And they certainly would have no place for Rivera – they’d take him out first!
When the three boys were told that the camera didn’t show them dropping Natalee off, then they said that they dropped her off “by the pool”.
That is impossible according to — and GPTMB because the kids were all out by the pool most of that night.
Kerin – ditto
Dallas, I am so glad I’m not the only one that read that. That in itself is pretty damning.
– Do you guys have a lot of info regarding this case that hasn’t been presented in the media or are you about as informed as the res of us?
Mason, it is obvious to me that you are exceptionally intelligent and completely superior to all of us in your morals, so why do you want to hang out here? Really? You dont have to stay because you feel sorry for us. We wont mind if you go somewhere else. Well understand.
The security guards are connected via evidence that the authorities say they have. We don’t know what it is, but…. I’m ok with that for now.
iquitos, The HI guard was there and saw nothing and the HI never said the video was not working. It was!
Dallas did they all three claim that it was by the pool and where did you hear this?
GPTMB & —
Can you comment on whether you were interviewed by the Aruban Police or the FBI?
“the purpose of this post I assumed was to talk about this case.”
WoodGuy, respectfully, “Innocent until proven guilty appplies to EVERY legal case, or should.
I for one am relieved that they dug up any loose dirt around the lighthouse and found nothing.
can you get a car over by the pool?
BamaBabe: Amen Sister! I wonder if Mason realizes he’s arguing with at least two 18 year olds
S.Taylor….just because YOU don’t understand the local judicial system doesn’t mean it doesn’t work?? AGAIN…how long before Scott Peterson was arrested??? and with aal the TONS of substantial evidence????? How long before HIS pick-up truck was searched???? Before the body was found????? Please don’t be so narrow minded
Ive heard stories of women being kidnapped into the Hells Angels too, but I digress…..
I know about what happened that night up to when she left… I didn;t exactly go with her, so I don’t know what happened after they drove off. That’s what I want to know. I want her to come home and I want whoever took her to be punished…harshly.
One of Natalee’s friends who was on the trip posted that last night about the pool. It stuck in my head. They can elaborate on it if they want to, but I was just trying to show Mason that some things are known that don’t match up with these kids in custody and what they are saying.
I think if the Patriot act gets renewed, many ideas fromt the Dutch will be adopted. In an Open society, the sexual predators and terrorist will take advantage of those who play by the rules, they just don;t play by the rules…like Joran for example. Lets face it a normal young 17, 18 yr old will not hold long under skilled experienced competent police interogation….Frankly we have not seen any of this so far.
It took 10 years to solve the case of a girl that was murdered from my High School in Northern Indiana…two weeks is nothing…be patient..the truth will come…Here in the US we do have what are called Cold Cases…at least with these 3 guys we have something to work with…another thing, its not like we haven’t had our share of corrupt police either. I know one thing is for sure, if I was on the Arubian police force I would be working my butt off with this type of case, and soaking up any information from the FBI. I know it sounds bad, but as a police officer, working on this case would sure beat having to break up bar fights and stupid tourist domestic problems.
“YOU HEARD” right here on the board that the boy claimed to have dropped her off…
is this a court of law? Have you “heard” it from an authorized source that has NOT retracted their statement?
I think the post above about the lady in the gas station and her report that Natalie’s parent’s acted “odd” when they viewed the tape is also of great interest.
None of us knows what happened or what is going on behind closed doors. No one has the right to pre-judge anyone. Our country has gone to hell in a handbasket with the instant justice metted out by the media and no one seems to have noticed it. Well trust me, you’d notice it all right if you were sitting in a jail cell watching Nasty Grace convict you of a crime you know you didn’t do and now don’t have a prayer of getting a fair trial because idiots sitting at home watching and hanging on every word Geraldo and Nasty say believe them.
Go Bama!
Are we sure the three boys said they dropped N at the pool? I had not heard that.
DT, the “we dropped her off by the pool” came from the kids that went on the trip.
Whatever story these three guys are telling, I’m sure they are now being interrogated separately. And I assume that taped phone conversations are at least part of the interrogations.
Yes but Peterson was always a suspect, he was taped, followed, etc. That’s what’s different – lack of information. No right or wrong, just a distinction -
Mason: You’re annoying: You weren’t there.
So wait the people on the trip say that is what the boys are claiming?
It is true that justice is slow and cases have to be built, but with the media frenzy and negative publicity, and Aruba depending on Tourism for
Mason, what are you even doing? I mean, honestly… I was there and I know that the majority of what you are saying is false. If you ar ejust bored or lonely becaus eof your severe lack of friends, go chat on some other site… this is for people who care about Nat, not idiots who think they ar especial because they know how to attack people who are upset.
Compananzi -
I’m not so sure that these kids will break soon.
First, they were questioned and then released to their parents – and Joran’s father is a substitute judge. They then had DAYS AND DAYS to rehearse answers to questions, make sure the three had their stories straight.
Natalee’s mother and stepfather said that Joran was hard, arrogant and unfriendly and unhelpful when they met with him – at their request. This is what you’d expect from a parent/lawyer who told the kid to stick to and repeat ONLY the story they’ve concocted.
It was announced on the news that they have taped phone conversations on these three guys, that they recorded prior to formally arresting them.
Roger, my guess is that the 2 guards are connected to evidence related to drug sales to some of the kids…..
Mason, as Dallas just said, that information came from someone who was on the trip and has presented enough unknown details to be considered legit. Not some clerk in a store that wanted 15 minutes of fame.
The boys’ official statement claimed that they dropped her off by the pool. This isnt true… I was by the pool the whole night… no Natalee.
Native – With all due respect, the Scott Peterson is not really comparable. Scott wasn’t known to be with Laci right before she disappeared. Also, this was on the mainland US (where she could have been anywhere), and not on a 70 square mile island.
Mason, you need to get lost. Go take your Bush Rage elsewhere.
This isn’t a Bush problem. This is an American girl who’s missing. And we won’t go quietly.
apparently, according to local press, the three were followed, bugged, and telephone and internet intercepted the whole time they were on the loose. Joran was apparently on the net a lot after he was first associated with the case so there may be a trail of evidence.
I heard that the security guards were in possession of items reported stolen by some of the MB students. Not sure.
Dallas – local news?? Is there more?
Also, there was a music festival that night on the island. Not sure if Joran attended, but he certainly knew about it.
The security for the musicians was said to be flown-in and were black guys, with black shirts and walkie talkies. So, it’s possible he intended to point the finger at a security guard they knew would be off the island in a few hours, leaving with the musicians and tour support.
- – -, I remembered that it was you who had said that, but I didn’t want to put you in a position to have to defend yourself with this creep if you didn’t want to so I wasn’t going to say it was you. How ’bout we just ignore him now?
Can anyone in the know tell me what a “Dutch justice ministry official” in Aruba, might be called, in the US? I’m just wondering, as I’m trying to figure out exactly how high ranking this Van Der Sloot’s father is.
Thanks!!
I just watched a news clip from FOX reporting that Natalee is indeed dead. Is this confirmed?
Well, everyone know about the Soul Beach Fest…. it was kind of a big event
We heard about the drop off from their lawyers…..Mason, if you are Intel you should be aware that the first rule in investigating is ‘if it walks like a duck……probably is’ So going by the FACTS that we do know these 3 are prime suspects.
They need to take the 3 out (seperately) and get them to show exactly (within 5 feet) where they dropped her off. And EXACTLY where they parked at the lighthouse. Bet they won’t even be close.
Bamababe, this is the 21st century, and there are a lot more “reasonable” members today. We do a lot of charity events and other “helpful” things today – all the gangs – and only a remnant of the formaer mentality exists.
One thing I will say about the biker community is that we all bond, given a fight or two about ‘colors” every now and then. But if thios was one of their daughters, they wouldn’t even thionk of calling in the FBI. They have their own methods, and they are consequential!
I’m sorry we all have such a bad image, but we are brothers, and in this case, one of our dearly beloved “sisters” or daughters have been violated, and we want results!
Mason…OK. Let’s ONLY discuss the facts and NOT what we’ve “heard”. Would that be fair in your mind?
Fact:
Natalee was last seen leaving C&C in a car with Joran and 2 other boys.
Fact:
Natalee is now missing
Anything else…is just hearsay, correct?
Based on those FACTS, the finger of suspicion would still point clearly at Joran and his cohorts. It is now up to them to present FACTS why they should not be suspects.
Oopps..damn Enter key…
..Aruba depends on major American tourism then you better show progress, Tourism and Oil industry is very fickle. The Last time Exxon pulled up staked the island went hell bend to promote tourism. I doubt if if this is going to be business as usual… .it cannot be this will have to be resolved one way or another within weeks…or as soon as the media leaves aruba. The thing is stories have a way of becoming so big you cannot stop it…
can someone describe the vehicle access points to the hotel? i thought the pool was on the beach side of the hotel accesible only on foot.
when was it from – b/c on Friday they scared the Bajeezus out of Mtn Brook by announcing a death…
Yeah Native. I think that is logical. I’m trusting that if there weren’t any evidence they would have been let go.
– Have you seen the boys statements or heard any of the things from them.?
dragonfly, sounds good to me… i think he’s just a sad lonely individual who wants to talk to someone, anyone… maybe he’ll just go away if he realizes that his opinion isn’t exactly valued here…
___says..how do YOU know what the official statment is since nothing has officially been released?
You’re a young girl returned from a wild time in a different land. I’m sorry your friend is missing, but let’s be honest, many people stated natalie had been drinking but did not appear to be “out of it” so she willingly got in the car with those boys and none of her friends grabbed her and pulled her back. Now, what would posess a nice good girl to drink and get in a car with three men she didn’t know? You can’t white wash it, it is what it is.
Other than that you all do not know anything “official.” What time does the hotel pool close anyway? I guess they have different closing times in Aruba because in the U.S. most hotel pools close between 10 and 11 p.m.
K –
His father is said to be the equivalent of a substitute judge, or “judge in training” – likely earning about 70K US, which apparently is a lot in Aruba…
It’s likely he’s good friends with most, if not all, the judiciary given how small the island is.
I found the revelation that Joran pushed a kid through a plate glass window to be very interesting… Add that to the shoving match between him and Natalee’s classmates, the stories he is a bully at school, and the news from DIARIO that he was undergoing Anger Management treatment, and you get the picture of a guy who certainly could have strangled a woman who refused his advances…
Kipster that would be a problem since they were probably drinking and could easily claim to not remember exactly.
Heck yeah, Biking has a heck of a community…just go to Sturgis, South Dakota in the summer…so many bikes…so much fun…and really not that many problems at all…
K in TX Says:
June 13th, 2005 at 12:50 am
Can anyone in the know tell me what a “Dutch justice ministry official” in Aruba, might be called, in the US? I’m just wondering, as I’m trying to figure out exactly how high ranking this Van Der Sloot’s father is.
Thanks!!
That would be like a LAWYER!
I know, seriously, about the bikers being good peeps. I was just saying that I remembered hearing that one time.
I didnt mean to offend – seriously – I have first-hand witnessed the “Teddy Bear Run” at Childrens Hospital in Birmingham. Very awesome.
Sorry!
Psychic, I am comparing the fact that the same “let go” strategy was used….to collect evidence….. (although there was ENOUGH evidence already) In this case there isn’t…at least none that we know of…
Nvrmind..I think that it was on Friday…an old clip. Sorry about that.
No, woody, the first rule of intel is to consider all possibilities and rule out nothing until all the evidence has been collected and analyized.
rbention: yeah… that was a bad night
chopperboyfrom, some of you bikers are also white-collar office workers by day. You aren’t the fearful fringe of society that was in the Vietnam era. You’re just like a running club or a bicycling club, in Dallas anyway.
Mason – if the thrust of each and every one of your posts is, “Wait until we get evidence and closure before commenting – You know nothing!”
- then one has to wonder-
What the hell are you doing here, apart from making angry comments to strangers?
Oh gosh, so he’s like…NOT that big of a deal!
So at this point, is she still “missing”?
Fair enough, Native. If that’s what they did, that was smart. However, not immediately impounding the car she was last seen in just doesn’t make sense.
rbenton: yes. And we continue to pray for her and hold prayer vigils everyday at noon.
Shes missing, yes.
i agree with mason- natalee and friends made some wrong decisions
goodness: have you not? Come on now… let’s be honest…
AP continues with report quoting Natalee’s mom saying that Joran and his 2 friends know something and they need to be pressured…
I am sure they spent their downtime being coached…
Witness Joran’s removal of his MSN and Tickle.com websites prior to his second arrest. All the content posted there made him look like a womanizing, hard drinking, hard partying wanabee player – All gone now.
yeah ive made wrong decisions. but common sense helped me from making stupid decisions.
Psychic, they did search the car right away…..the FBI did….
My prayers and my heart go out to her and her family. I can’t even begin to imagine whaht has happened to this girl and it seems like it’ll be a never ending story. I just hope that the outcome is better than our unreliable press has made it seem to be.
And I made the “wrong decision” of even reading one of Mason’s posts. Guess we are all full of wrong decisions.
The drinks in Carlos and Charlies are strong, so it would not be far fetched that Joran and his 2 buds Kalpoes might have slipped some drugs to Natalee..that would explain why Joran was in the back seat in his OWN car. You see if you done it before you expect a action and reaction consequence. I d say the boys knew the effect would take place and planned according.
Totally agree, Rick.
That stuff was taken down before he was “arrested”. I think his daddy advised him, there.
Agree about him being coached – wonder why they haven’t taken down his brother’s Tickle site?
We didnt do anything wrong. I’m not going to listen to this garbage! You werent there! You don’t know what happened or what the environment was like at all. You also clearly don’t know Natalee, because then you would know that she is way too good a person to do 1/2 of the ridiculous things she’s been accused of. If you can’t help be productive. then just stop talking.
Dragonfly – I think this is the same person we’ve been dealing with for the last two days now…
everybody makes wrong decisions…so we need to stop beating a dead horse…like that time you decided to run that red light or stop sign…or tail gate someone because they cut you off…etc etc…remove the plank from your own eye before you try to remove the speck from another’s….
wrong decisions are part of each person’s everyday life
GPTMB and — .. Bottom line is that there is no news to report. I think that while there are nice people here, there are also “others”. Your time can probably be spent better in other venues. God Bless you both.
Mason – You actually have some good points, BUT the thing is we don’t know what evidence they may have. What we DO know is Van Der Slut lied about dropping off Natalee at the hotel. We don’t know for sure he is guilty, but it seems probable. Nobody is really going to go vigilante on him, but obviously people are upset.
Mason….that’s good in the books but without gut instinct no criminals would be caught. And if you’re so big on facts how do you know Nat was drinking?? Have you done blood tests on her or are you going by ‘hearsay’ ???
Does Geraldo EVER sleep?
20 dec 2002
BENOEMINGEN HOF VAN JUSTITIE ANTILLEN EN ARUBA
Mr. G.E.M. Polkamp (52) wordt lid van het Gemeenschappelijk Hof van Justitie van de Nederlandse Antillen en Aruba. Polkamp is nu plaatsvervangend lid.
Mr. P.A.P.J. van der Sloot (50) volgt Polkamp op als plaatsvervangend lid. De benoemingen gaan in per 1 januari 2003.
Bron:
Persbericht ministerraad (PDF-bestand)
When they arrested Joran, they left with his computer. Lots of good evidence to be found there…
who are YOU to tell people to leave? if you really are a friend why are you here? if you cant handle what people say on here, then leave. everyone has their own opinions, and believe or not they might not all agree with you.
MSN and Tickle.com are probably in the US with their servers etc..the FBI but just need to do a call to get all that information. I also have it that there are people who would download that info and put it on a nother server to be viewed. I search for that website again….Pretty much one the genie is out of the bottle deal.
BamaBabe: No. Never. That’s what the Speed is for! He can get it over the counter down there! Maybe that’s why he wanted to go down there so bad…
5 minute warning before we change over to the next post for speed and bandwidth improvements.
Tom
Know one knows for sure that Natalee was drinking and what the extent of her contact with VDS was that night, so I think until we hear something concrete people should stop making judgements based on rumors/speculations that could be false.
It was not his car.
Kids…I know you probably want to come on here to feel a connection in helping Natalee but this may not be the best way to do that. Things calm down for awhile and then it heats up again and I can see that is painful for you both.
LMAO Bama Babe! NO! He never sleeps, because he’s too busy getting his drink on when the cameras are off! It is all under the pretense that he’s “on assignment”, but we all know he’s CRAZY fun! And he’s probably searching for a barber, on the island, that is willing to touch and groom that nasty mustache of his!
Geraldo never sleeps…ever since that skin head broke his nose he has had terrible snoring problems…wakes himself up everytime….
—, Don’t let anyone tell you that you did anything wrong. You asked Natalee if she was okay and showed concern. That shows how much you cared.
“goodness” shut up. You are an idiot. I’m sick of being polite. I’m here because idiots like you slander my friend’s name. I despise your ignorance and I really wish you would put yourself in our shoes for 10 seconds and realize what a pest you are being.
- – - Are you one of Natalee’s close friends?
nite tom
did you find tracy/ie?
I know your busy….
Joran may have shut down his accounts but all that information is still readily available. That sort of move was amateurish at best. Which is reason to believe that his father wasn’t coaching him.
The stuff on his MSN and Tickle sites contained many of the photos you’ve already seen, and others that haven’t been widely publicized, including one of him with a leather belt wrapped around another smaller shirtless kid’s neck. The kid looked to be in pain and Joran had an idiotic grin on his face. Shades of Robert Chambers with that photo….
Other photos were of him drinking, flashing make-believe gang signs, posing with various women, and one posed flashing a fan of US dollars… He listed three different songs as favorites, all misogynistic rap songs, like “Candy Shop” about a woman giving oral sex to the narrator as he degrades her, and he said his hobby was hooking up or words similar to that.
RiehlWorld reports that someone they believe was Joran contacted them and asked that they remove a photo of him from the website… They pinged his IP address and it was an Aruban provider, so likely it was Joran…
So, in the days between the first and second arrests, Joran was focused on his image, and I’m 100% sure his father, Joran’s lawyer and the attorneys for the two friends got ALL their ducks in a row and coached and coached and coached the boys on what to say and what not to say…
Hof van Justitie, is that like either court of Justice or like even Supreme court of Justice….that would definately mean major influence in this criminal procession..
no one is slander you’re friend. sorry if you cant accept that some wrong decisions were made. so what? EVERYONE makes wrong decisions. why do you keep saying she didnt make any?
Mason’s another nut … he’s posting from this web site promoting SCOTT PETERSON’s inocence…for Gods sake.
http://www.justice4scott.com/
Cruel spoiler know it all. He will take over if you respond to him.
GPTMB and —…sorry to have called you “kids”. I forget you are 18 and this whole experience has matured you quickly I’m sure.
Previously, Ii put up the Dutch appointment of Joran’s father as interin judge of the court of the netherlands antilles and aruba
although i think peterson is guilty, they honestly have no evidence on him except his actions.
naw it’s cool – this whole thing stole a piece of my innocence i’m really wishin i had back…
Mason is in the penalty box for swinging at the Mountain Brook Girls. Will look it over in the morning, not banned but moderated. Too late to be that mean.
Native – I hadn’t heard the report that the FBI searched the car right away. Was that a local report where you heard that? I didn’t think the FBI was even there at that point. Plus I can’t imagine the FBI investigators missing any evidence in a car… like what they thought was blood yesterday. And if the FBI thoroughly searched the car right away, why would they have been searching it yesterday. I’m not saying what you’re saying isn’t correct. I’m just having a hard time making sense of it.
BTW, thanks for your reports from the beautiful island of Aruba (my aunt and uncle have a time share there and looove it).
It’s fine… I’m very much still a kid! haha. Seriously, this whole experience has made me feel anything but grown up! Besides, GPT isn’t 18 for another month! haha! (ok, I just turned 18 like a week befor ethe trip, but whatever… you know I gotta mess with ya GT!)
“Guess we are all full of wrong decisions”
Just a part of everyday life, dragonfly.
I’m sick and tired of this bad decision bullshit. What are you people robots?
wht do you mean Tom?
I think Mason must work for the Johnny Cochran firm.
I’m a guy. But good news about the yellow card for Mason…
Rogers – If you believe an Aruban judge wasn’t coaching his son, who was a suspect in Aruba’s biggest criminal mystery ever – than you are delusional.
Natalee’s family said they knew he was lying, appeared cold, hard, uncooperative – as you would expect someone to be when told to say as little as possible and to only recite the story as agreed and rehearsed…
Tom – you may want to peek at email addresses and board names. I think we have our friend back from yesterday -same grammar, same misspellings, same tired points…
Thanks Tom… you really are a great person. I really appriciate everything you’ve done for us. This site (while frustrating at times) has really helped me get through some rough spots. Thanks again!
My dad’s a lawyer. He coaches me on what to say when I try to talk myself out of a speeding ticket – you bet Dutch-Boy’s dad is coaching him!
i do think they are lying, but i cant believe they havent confessed yet. hes only 17 years old. how hard can it be to crack a 17 yr old?
I know. It seems like every time I get on here it seems as if people are being so nice and actually having constructive conversations, then BAM!!!! Here comes another one that just wants to stir up sh-t.
This is what “we” think; NH befriended these assholes on the American principle of trust. Naive, yes, but at 18 you don’t have the worldly experience you would have if not raised on the street. These a-holes did in fact drug her drink, played off as trustworthy friends, took her out that night b/c she hadn’t seen the light-house yet (read through another story), and at least the dutch creep tried to have his way with her.
We believe in NH’s good moral character, and that she, even in her state, declined the advances to sloot. He, known for his temper problems and leaning on his family’s status, blew his cool and choked her to death as he forced his way with her.
We believe there is a conspiracy of cover-up, as tourism is the highest income provided Aruba. We also believe that the Aruban gov is shocked beyond their own comprehension, shocked that America is making so much of this case while letting past cases go cold, and they don’t know what to do.
They need help, but the media isn’t providing anything more tghan keeping the issue in the spotlight. Something’s got to break, and break soon, or the tourist industry will suffer badly. As of right now, i don’t think anybody will hang this on the Aruban public or island in general, b/c let’s be honest in regards to statistics, Aruba IS and HAS PROVEN to be, the least corrupt and most safe tourist destination in all the of the Carribean.
Would that make his father an accomplice to the crime if he knew that his son committed terrible acts and coached him? I’m assuming his father is not his lawyer…
He may have confessed and they’re just waiting to shore up the details for the prosecution before announcing it.
And Rick, I agree, I think we keep getting the same ones back again!
This will be the second time that Katie Couric has interviewed a family member about Natalee. She interviewed the aunt the Friday before last.
They had their chance to crack Joran when they first had him in custody… they blew that and let him go home to a father who knows the Aruban justice system intimately, and certainly coached Joran from top to bottom, inside and out – as well as the 2 friends and their attorneys. You can be sure they’re sticking to one story and not diverging, having been told if any of them do, it’ll mean at least 15 years in prison, and if they all stick to it, they walk.
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I simply meant that taking down his websites was not going to slow investigators down one bit. I’m sure that his father would know that and wouldn’t have coached him to do that.
I have to agree with Rick, look your prominent judge still in your fifties…your young dapper son is in the center of this story…you live under one roof…I can see the Dad saying Look son I know your innoccent (read she gave you motive to kill her)..but just incase ..get your profile off line, clean your car..study for your exams so you can go to US and away from this…and lets invite the Kalpoes for some dinner afterwards.
He IS a lawyer please correct me if I’m wrong. Studying to be a judge! And very mysteriously absent.
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