RSSAfternoon Update
Riehl World has some updates.
Just had a communication from Aruba – search dogs have gotten a “hit” in quarry near the Van der Sloot house, dive team being rounded up.
On Fox News, Angela Munzenhofer from Aruba Today, say that she spoke with Steven Croes, and that he says all he did was over hear a conversation that Deepak was having on the telephone. He went to the police to tell them and was arrested.
UPDATE:: We have word from multiple sources that divers are in the water at a quarry near the Van Der Sloots home. There are evidence flags up around the area. We will post as more information is available.
UPDATE 2:
” I knew that I was innocent, but I got myself in something without thinking how big it could get. ”
Steve Croes on Top 95, the most popular station in Aruba. Thanks ArubaGirl!
Update 3: 21:00 Confirmation was received that nothing was found at the Quarry search site.
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Natalee Holloway Updates
It appears that the search dogs have gotten a “hit” in a quarry near the Van der Sloot house
Finally, it’s working!
Hi edie. Yeah, finally. Let me let them know, over at Reihlworld.
I can’t believe it’s up and running!
I know I have been going crazy!
Is there any new info?
nope!
I wonder if they are still in the water… Surely they are not
Did they find Natalee in the quarry?
Not really, except that the search at the reservoirs have not turn anything yet; that NH parents are pissed off because they let Paul van der Sloot go. I guess they want somebody to pay at all cost, because aparently there is no evidence against this man.
Also, more people are now taking into consideration the kidnapping possibility and the possibility that the tree boys in prison are not responsible for any harm done to her, even if they lied, changed stories and stuff.
is there any confirmations from national news of the search of the quarry
Nothing on the news about it.
no new info.
Thanks Lucy!!!! They hate us over there at Riehl, and I’m not a troll but they gave us a bad name quick!!!!!
Question for everyone, if they don’t find Natalee, and the boys walk, will all the evidence involved in the case will be released?
If it’s not, do you think there will be add’t pressure from the US in order to push the issue?
I’m just thinking that if they come forward and say “joran did it, we’re putting him in prison for her murder” or “we’re letting them all go, there is no evidence or body to hold them for” it won’t end there.
Thoughts?
I don’t think they will release the evidence, because they are big on preserving reputations. Something we in the US never take into consideration.
edie & chris
The gentleman from Texas Search party was on Nancy Grace. They have not found anything yet.
I have given up! They are not going to find her!
Edie, I just don’t think that will fly, we’ll see. If Aruba has any desire to put this behind them that would be a bad idea. Just my $.02.
cnn gave the times of the dutch boy’s cell phone call to the brother and the subsequent text message to the brother
What were the times Chris? And the message?
chris-
what did they say?
i saw where they said they would not release any evidence until someone is indicted or charged what ever they call it in aruba
I guarantee you that somebody from Alabama will go down and kill all 3 of those boys if they are released and let off the hook for this.
The poor girl was not kidnapped. Joran killed her, and probably worse.
let me find the link its buried in one of the updates
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/27/aruba.missing/index.html go down the story its under the caprion 4th released
where are the results of the dna evidence?
Anne, I’m with you. I’m not a cowboy American or an Aruba basher but this just won’t end if they come to a conclusion and try and brush it under the rug sans providing evidence. Beyond the horror for the family of no resolution, and the initial hit to tourism already, so much interest in this case will not just die, and if they don’t provide the info, that island will never be the same.
records show he called the brother at 240 am and the brother told the officials joran had called to tell him he left natalie on the beach and was going to walk home
about 40 minutes later he sent a text message saying he was home which would be about the time it would take for him to walk home
Why would you call your buddy while you are drunk on the way home at 2:40, and then text message him to say you “got home ok”, it’s not your Mom your calling, it’s your buddy. Just does not make sense.
theories?
I think its all a cover up, but these guys are good! They are going to walk
More lies and deception. If he is guilty (which I believe) then maybe he was trying to “cover his tracks” by making the calls to use as an alibi?
Does not make sense in normal context of 17 year olds out for the evening anyway, at least in my eyes.
And I’ve been to many caribbean islands, young folks especially love their cars, love to carpet them, make them all pimped out looking, similar to the US I guess.
Why at 2:40 am, if you’re a popular drinker, gambler (ladies man maybe) and man about town, would you walk 40 minutes home.
Again, makes no sense to me, you would call a buddy before walking 40 minutes.
or he was at a party that he was dropped off at and no longer welcome. maybe he was looking for a ride home?
i thought the text was odd as well. Did he really just text to “at home”? Or are they going from his ‘confession’?
would like to know if joran called his father before 240am and was coached as to what to do ie call the brother and while joran and his father are driving around wondering what to do….the father has joran text the brother that he was home
Kristin, I understand your thought, but at that time, I would really find it hard to believe he was thinking alibi after a night of partying. Dunno.
Big Pappy you are absolutely right! He checks in with his buddy like a good little boy but he leaves his love interest alone on a beach at 2:40 in the morning. It is a total contrast.
Big Pappy
Yes you wold walk home, especially if your daddy picked you up at MacDonalds’ before 11 and thought you were in bed.
What DNA evidence are we talking about??? Did I miss this issue?
how many friends does a 17 year old have that he can call up on a very early monday morning and ask for a ride home. as a father with a 19 a 17 and a 10 year old son i wouldnt let my sons go pick up a friend that time of the night unless i went with them
Frances Ellen Byrd said that she saw Natalee with Joran as early as 9:30 at CnC so that conflicts with the story that dad dropped Joran off at McDonalds at 11:00.
If he killed herand his dad was helping him of course he knew that joran would need an alabi.
I’m with Chris…I think he called his father for help and his father helped t-up the alibi. They are liekly forcing the brohters to lie about the drop off as well.
well i thought they were testing evidence from the impounded cars and the bags of clothes they had taken.
cbudd.
Did not dropped. Picked him up.
I am sorry – I meant picked him up from McDonalds.
cbudd ………………………..joran’s father picked him up at mcdonalds at 11 and then took him home,
Naaaaa Lucy, I would call a buddy and have him drop me a mile down the road, saving 40 some minutes of walking
Exactly CBudd, leaves the lady on the beach but checks in with his boy.
Buyme – I saw that info. as well in a previous post. Someone said both VDS vehicles and a Kalpoe vehicle but I did not get this from a news source.
Big Pappy
Have it as you may. After all, Big Pappy can’t be wrong.
buyme
If they are testing that, where are the tests being done? To me they do not seem that advanced down there for those kinds of tests.
what i had read was that joran was at the holiday inn around 930 gambling not at c n c’s
yeah, we’re back!
he was at the holiday inn. His dad picked him up@11 form mc donalds… then he snuck out and went to cnc
the testing is being done in the netherlands not the us or aruba
or he killed natalie at the party or she died from an overdose of XTC. he needs a ride and some help. he calls the brother, they come pick Joran up along with Natalie’s body. they then frantically drive to the VDS home and tell the father what happened. Kalpoes are sent home as dad and son dispose of body. IM is to tell Kalpoes he is now home (not to worry). they just happen to weave the times, the text messaging, and the call into a simple story which they are sticking to.
Hmmm..wow I was just watching Fox and got to see them talk to Croes at his home. Did anyone else see it and if you did, do you think that alot they were seen on camera look like “crackheads?” Was a scary looking bunch and I am not trying to be rude. They surely didn’t look like they had the same quality of life as the Vds and the Kalpoes
buyme
Apparently, Natalee stayed at the party with the boyfriend of the first three days.
Wasn’t school soon over for Joran, was that Monday the last day?
Chris, you’re assuming you would know that your son went to pick him up
We’ve already established per Joran that he “snuck out”, not that he needed to with an attached apartment. First time he snuck out, doubt it. And we’re talking about a teenager on aruba who is possibly driving underage, drinking underage, and gambling. Probably a little different from your boys.
So in that one night, he’s at Carlos & Charlies, Lighthouse, on beach, driving around, McDonald’s, sneaking out, walking home at 2:40. Awful lot going on that night.
I think there is a thread of truth to theirr original story. I do believe they took Natalee to the lighthouse. I think they raped her and murdered at that location. I do not believe that Joran would take her to the beach near the Marriott due to the possibility of others strolling the beach. I think the three boys disposed of her body within a 10 mile radius of either the light house or Joran’s home. I don’t see them calling dad for help. I think they agreed upon the lighthouse/ Holiday Inn story because they did not consider the surveillance cameras. Dad probably came into the picture the night the Holloways showed up. Between now and then the body could have been moved.
what boyfriend.. I keep hearing she was with another guy the first three nights.. Where did you get this from. I have not read it in any of the news postings
seems like the three boys would be pressed for time ie picking her up at the club at 130 then joran leaving her on the beach around 240 ie hiding the body seems it might be more feasible they left her at a party and went home
Edie…supposedly that is Lorenzo the guy in the blue van from what I recall of all the postings.
Lucy, are you picking a fight?
Just giving comments and my opinions, I can assure Big Pappy is NOT always right.
Lorenzo the crazy guy?
One straight path
to the house of Rave,
while of gold bricks
the road is not paved,
answers mysterious lie within
magical letters which spell sin
XTC DNA
Big and cbudd
From the bottom of my heart, you guys have quite a bit of catching up to do.
lady’s and gentlemen
i’ve been reading a lot of the post’s on this site and some times it hurts to see Aruba being bashed and its people. They blame everything on Aruba. it’s government and it’s people. I’ve got a problem with that.
You people say bring in the USA and they’ll solve this in a minute.
They brought in a search team. they were going to find her in a day ??
Do you realy think that if Joran and his friends had a couple of days to get rid of the evidence that anybody is going to find anything. The current around these islands would have washed the body away without anybody finding a trace.
It’s sad but a fact
I could be wrong but that is what I remember reading
i was referring to why joran walked home , ie no ride
Lucy – what do you mean?
Babalu opened a window looking into babylon on his 12:31 A.M. Post
DirtyHand is alive
Uh, Lucy, frrom the bottom of MY heart, please enlighten me then, I’ve been on here all day and don’t think I’ve missed anything. Beyond the cryptic Lorenzo/Blue Van/Columbians references all of which lead nowhere and are only discussed on here and nowhere else.
So what do I need to catch up on?
Shango said the key to the Hague did not exist
that door to eden remains closed
until the house with the path
But not of gold
is entered
Shango is back with the 12:31 AM post thing again, but this time, Dirtyhand is alive? I don’t think you ever said Dirtyhand was dead? Arggggg
I also am curious, what boyfriend of three days?
Where are the characters that set us up with the noon prediction that something would be on the news shortly??
I think there is a misunderstanding. I read that the ‘other boy’ was her cousin.
Babalu knew who dirty hand was at half past 12
no package from the Hague? and the house where they need to look is not the Vds?
I think what Shango and Simian are saying is that a underground rave party was where the 4 went (kalpoes, jvds, nh). drugs and other vices were involved including xtc. this leads to many tangled webs as the drug dealers and polis are friendly with one another. if the “one” speaks out he will bring down the entire operation. The polis and the drug dealers have enough (or at least they hope) pull to keep the truth from coming out.
Dirty hand was chief of polis?
Peggy – I also read that the other boy was her cousin.
Stop it now. Say what you need to say. The video game names/lingua are bogus.
someone please enlighten me again who dirty hand is?
Hello, nice to be back! So, Shango, Babalu opened the door re: his 12:30am post.
Two houses, one with a path of gold. Until the house without the path of gold is entered, the door to eden won’t be opened.
The house with the path of gold, would that be dirtyhands house? And the other, would that be the Columbian party house?
Sorry, been catching up.
Dirty Hand = police chief ?
This is not the place to mess with people’s heads. The focus is Natalee; completion and closure.
is there a mystery in aruba chat room where one can go and discuss the disappearance
DirtyHand walks with the Babylons, the Arawaks and is consort to the fallen elder
The gods are talking
buyme is full off BS
every where they see conspiracy’s
Babalà º Says:
June 27th, 2005 at 12:30 am
Concerned
No, I guess he is head of some local official corps. He is the guy that knows everything and that has been in the house of Babylonians NOT seeking pleasure for himself, so Shango says. So maybe he went to search for Natalee and he is the chief of Polis.
“one straight path” “not of gold bricks” only one house, right?
i am just trying to decipher their words madman. nothing more, nothing less.
Lucy – are you still there?
Dirty Hand could also twistedly refer to Natalee. Not that DH is credible.
cbudd
What I mant was that the possibilities of Natalee being killed and dispossed of around the Holiday Inn have been eliminated. She is reportedly on video at the kaseeno with the group of people she partied with during the days before. Her boyfriend from the initial three days is supposed to be a piece of work that rapidly brushed Joran off when he arrived with her at some party.
The Kalpoes were not even at C N’C. They merely provided a ride to Joran and Natalee and even if they took them to the light house, they dropped them off in front of the Marriott. Some reports indicate that phone records show that Joran did not have enough time to commit the crime, and get rid of the body, etc.
and shango is worse
PVDS Lawyer = consort?
Where can we discuss Natalee??
Shango
So you are saying DH is Jan van der Straten. And you also say that DH is not Babylonian, and van der Straten sounds pretty Babylonian to me.
Babylon = police ??
If not seeking pleasure for himself, why is he there?
Outsiders brought into the Arawak tribe walk in many circles, nameless
Shango, papia straight cu nos
concerned
Now there is a great question…..These coded messages are really a waste of time for people wanting answers
I’ve been following posts on this site and on websleuths for a few days. Not watching the various newscasts, these two sites have helped me to understand more about the Natalee Hollaway disappearance.
As a newcomer, I would like to offer a few thoughts, for what they’re worth. My interest in this case is as a mother, a woman, a fellow US citizen, and simply another human being. Researching this case has definitely changed my view of the desirability and the safety of those tropical vacations and cruises I’ve considered signing my family onto. That will not be happening now.
Kidnappings and sells into the slave trade do most definitely happen. The Amy Bradley (unsure if that’s exactly correct name) case is a chilling example. She was 23 yrs. old and with her family. In a 30 minute timespan she simply vanished. Ths cruise ship docked despite family pleas to first search the ship and question passengers. The company, according to the family, did absolutely nothing to help them then or since.
Reports have come in of sightings of her in a brothel, but that’s another story. Previously I thought that the targeted victims would be alone, vulnerable, unlikely to be quickly missed. But that wasn’t the case with Amy or with the single travel reporter from the US who simiply vanished a few year ago, I think in Aruba as well. Amy’s mother reported recently that the bar that a ship waiter wanted to take Amy offship to in Aruba was the same bar that Natalee was last seen leaving.
I have no doubt that some bartenders spike women’s drinks for various purposes. Could this have happened to Natalee? It’s certainly possible and as a mother with no body of my missing daughter that possibility would torment me.
Did J set up Natalee for his own pleasure, for the pleasure of he and his “friends”, or for money for whatever reasons? If he was involved in any dealings with a cartel then he, his father, and the other two men are right to be scared.
Personally, however, the whole situation smacks too much of bumbling and fumbling to have been an elaborate setup. I am more inclined to think that her drink may have been drugged and that she may have been tricked into leaving with them. Or she may have wanted to visit a party house but was too far gone to protect herself. With no report back on the panties/condoms that were found, then it’s impossible to judge which scenario is more likely.
Did she go voluntarily and get in over her head or was she kidnapped from the point of leaving the bar? We may never know. If a cartel is involved then no one is going to talk. As many of you have pointed out, a prison sentence is prefarable to that.
If Joran and/or the other two are solely responsible for her disappearance then they are obviously holding out because there is no body. IF the Aruban officials are having a lot of heat from above, then someone will have to take a fall, whether or not they are the only one responsible. But are they feeling true heat or simply biding their time before releasing the remaining suspects? That’s the biggest question in my mind.
The Aruban police were nonchalant and dismissive initially to her parents. That’s why I won’t be travelling to any of these countries and definitely will not be allowing my daughter to travel there. A lot more serious activity than the type of partying that most of us probably remember from high school and college days is commonplace there. That’s clear from this case. It’s not anywhere as safe as we’ve been thinking. I’ve read on tripadvisor that unescorted girls and women are harassed by the men in bars, that they are very aggressive. These kids were out of their element and in much more danger than any of them realized. It’s a tragic instruction for the rest of us.
I admire NH’s mom for her strength and her persistence. I’d be setting up residence in Aruba until I got the answers I came for. And I hope she does the same.
sunny – did you just say SHANGO, TALK STRAIGHT WITH US?
arawak= arubans
Lucy – Thanks for the update. I thought you had left. I guess I do have a lot of catching up to do. I was unaware that Natalee had a boyfriend much less on the same trip. I also did not know that Natalee had been seen at a party (I am assuming this was after the 4 left CnC). I figure she is on lots of video footage at the casino but how is that related to her disappearance.
babylon = police, arawaks = locals, elder = pvds.
Shango bo ta jen si bull
papia kos ku hende por kompronde
DirtyHand can bring down all houses
DirtyHand is the key
His reach is long
He walks in all circles
consort to all, except for the gods
He knows the sacrifice is not responsible
Shanguito
Consort as in husband??? You mean as in husband??? Or the Cuban terminology of “Consorte” as in socio, partner, buddy????
yup, ban wak
We played this game already. Don’t fall for the codespeople. If they can’t sai it outright, they can’t say it or do not have crdible, honest info.
joran van der sloot = jvds
jan van der straaten = jvds
According to CNN, Deepak’s lawyer is stating that the cell phone records show Joran called Deepak at 2:40 – and then texted him again 40 minutes later – the approximate time it takes to walk from the beach to Joran’s house. Thought – what if Joran convinced/asked or talked Natalee in going to his house (since his Mom was away and he has his own “apartment”)? And if that is the case, maybe that explains why they might have thought they had a “hit” near the quarry.
Inday – did you have to write a novel?
MadMan
Didn’t know you spoke Shango…
‘Evening, Concerned. Interesting how things have transpired. I do hope that the quarry is appropriately well proteceted if they are not diving. On the other hand, with underwater lighting the colors are so brilliant in night diving. Just a speculation that something might glimmer or shine to the divers attention.
Shango full of bat guana, from the house of bullshit, he is the dirty hand forgettem toilet paper.
Hello,
If I may enter, I also agree with concerned, where can we discuss Natalee, and Beth?
sacrifice=
dirty hand=
arawaks=
babylonians=
cowboys=
sumerians=
and so on
Of whom is the young Babylonian afraid?
Why won’t he talk?
One of two things is going on. Either a break in the case is imminent or they are back to square one. The release of papa VS doesnt bode well. It may very well be that the authorities cannot disprove the current story being given by the three in custody. The cell phone records have confirmed the the time of the calls/text message, which fits in their timeline story. If there is no forensic proof to the contrary, they will go free without a body. That reality is hitting home with the family. The currents around the island are very strong. If she was put in the ocean, at this late date, she will never be found.
lived on the islands for more than 30 years
Don’t lawyers get paid to lie?
If Joran and Papa think they got away with something, I bide them: think again. There is a HIGH justice in this existence and they should tremble to think what happens if they go unpunished in THIS life
MadMan, Jerry speaks Shango too
I might believe that there is someone higher up that these people are scared of.. This reaks conspiracy.
I meant to say “there’s a HIGHER justice in our existence…it occurs after we die”
XYZ – that is a great theory! I don’t see anything happening at the beach. It is too public. If it didn’t happen at the lighthouse. I suspect it happened at his house/apartment. I felt like Beth believed that she was in the house at 3:00am that morning.
The dice throwers know
the maze of the rave
and the fly that entered the trap
DirtyHand is the key
He walks in many circles
Hey Chimes.
They are not finished with the quarry, I know from the Equus interview recently. One character on the blog did say wait 30 hrs. f(rom last night). So we wait.
babylonians = polis
arawaks = locals
sacrifice = joran vds
cowboys = US
sumarians = kalpoes
dirty hand = ???? (polis chief, drug lord)
and even if their the one’s they will be forgiven
this REEKS of duplicity
i think beth twitty is the ultimate she bear. i mean that as a compliment…some complain about the amount of the news coverage concering the disappearance of natalie but myself i wish there was more, not so much for my sake but to continue to apply pressure to find natalie.. scarey to think how things might be if there had been very little news coverage, the two security guards may still be in jail
One other thing – the fact that these “boys” were perfectly willing to set up two men (the security guards) from the “working” class and that the Aruban police quicly and confidently barged in on these two men says a lot about the system there, socially and legally.
It also says everything about the morals of these boys. And PVDS. If they truly thought that that would take care of it, then no wonder PVDS didn’t pass the exam for a higher judgeship. Bumbling and fumbling.
Young Babylonians and Shivas do not build sand castles
Hello, is anyone watching Greta? I just turned it on any new info?
let us know what Greta says!!! Where is I YELL chRIS IN HALLWAYS?
Hindus are kalpoes
Sumerians are???
shivas are hindus?
Greta is interviewing Beth and Jug
Rachel
No new info this way. I’ve been screen guarding, waiting for you guys, to see if something is up.
DH= drug lord
probably with his fat Danish wife
Young Babylonians and Shivas do not build sand castles
DirtyHand knows this
Children of the Elders play in the maze,
but DirtyHand is afraid to rave
Checkme – How confident are you in your theory about NH being kidnapped or hurt at a party being hosted by the Columbians? Is it an alternate theory or a predominant one in your mind?
Also, do the Columbians control you guys that much in Aruba? If so, I feel sad for you people that you have to turn the other way in light of such heinous crimes (murder, human sex and drug trafficking). Sure, we have the same crimes and the mafia in the U.S., but we also have people with some courage, which appears to be lacking in this case.
My heart goes out to my “neighbors” from Alabama. Whatever befell this beautiful young girl is only made worse by the constant speculation. At the risk of being lashed with wet noodles, I hope that the family does not EVER review some of the ideas presented on this board….how harrowing that would be!! In our zest to solve the mystery, we’ve apparently forgotten that even if we thought we knew all the answers, who would we give them to??
Sorry lucy. Those guys in the other posts were making me mad. I hope monkeys doesn’t go down so we don’t have to go back there, but this time we know where we need to go.
min ta kompronde shango
bo ta papia na code unda por hanja sa kiko bo kiermen
laga nos sa pa nos tambe por kompronde
i por ta nos por juda otro
when the police gave their reason for being so late to detain the three younger men they said they could not be cowboys and just go in……yet they sure were cowboy about arresting the two security guards
Also – the reports indicating that Joran did not have enough time to commit a crime and dispose of the body are confusing. There has been no body found – therefore no time of death – so how could they know if there was “time to commit a crime”. Natalee could have fallen asleep at Joran’s – passed out in her sleep and not waken up. Who knows. Until her body is found (hopefuly alive) – there are too many unanswered questions and too many opportunities for speculation.
Yes, Scaredshitless, I did. Considering it’s three days worth of pondering while refraining from posting, then hopefully you will indulge me.
I’m getting off I will talk to you all tomorrow morning. bye Lucy, scaredshitless and Edie
The Holloways appeared on FOX looking more devastated, lost and confused than in the last few weeks. They are mentally back to square one. I HOPE YOU ARUBAN AND DUTCH SPINELESS BASTARDS ARE HAPPY NOW. The Holloways will not leave Aruba until they get an answer. Are you that scared of the Columbians or providing the truth here directly to the authorities.
MAY THE GHOST OF NATALEE HAUNT ARUBA FOREVER!
Rachel
I left them a message over there. If it made you crazy, imagen how the eihlders felt, by us taking over their space….
@IndDayLady – others appreciate your sentiments — each opinion is a worthy as another
XYZ – another great theory! It goes along with “something bad happened to her”.
Hotel/Casino owners are who?
your right georgia girl we should be praying for natalie and her family and instead of posting speculations we should be out doing some good in honor of natalie and her family
XYZ – I can see Joran panicking when he woke that morning. Dad told him to go to school and he would take care of it.
Anyone remember the movie “Salems Lot” …Rob Lowe was a writer that eventually told the townfolk he was writing a story of what evils and secrets small towns hold and what is behind the scenes that noone sees unless they look deep within. I am thinking that sparks a light on what is being done here. A deep dark secret that is not wanting to rear its ugly head and because of this one incident alot of light is shining down on it that might open alot more than meets the eye.
They build the sandcastles and do what?
Feed the raves…?
observer, thanks for your houghtful insight. May every disapearance in the US be solved asap, but alas…. two words: OJ Simpson, hows that for bungling and prejudice?
My heart goes out to Beth Twitty! Just saw the frustration when Greta & the Twittys talked! It’s positively UNReAL how stupid this Aruban system is!
I believe in that Light shining down!!
observer
Don’t call them spineless. look at your OJ case with all the proof that they had they could not convict. In aruba up untill now they dit not find any proof just a lot of speculation
shango is saying that the “helpers” do not play with the rich kids? (build sand castles)
yeah I rememeber the OJ case and the reason he walked is because the police BOTCHED the case and contaminated evidence!
Hopefloats – That could very well be the case and that is what makes it so frustrating. I do not live in Aruba and I do not know any of the town gossip so I am merely speculating and most likely I am way off base.
YOU CANT COMPARE OJ WITH THIS YOU IDIOT
I think Shango is close on the game, but has also been played
I know SHango are you involved in this conspiracy?
Hopefloats
DNA clearly pointed to OJ, any idot could see that! The jury let him off!
cbudd, yes, I too thought about this. I think that Dad may have seen her at the house. Which also might explain why the boys would lie about where they dropped Natalee. It just has always seemed odd that he states that he left her alone at the beach. Why would he need to collaborate with the other boys on where he left her. Why was the need to distance himself as much as possible from the location of where she was last seen. One of the boys has stated “something bad happened” – which on its own can mean one hundred million different things – but I think this – if Joran was the one who said “something bad happened” – he is deflecting. He has already tried to implicate Deepak & Satish according to one of the brother’s attorneys. If one of the brothers stated “something bad happened” – then perhaps it is because the next day in conversation Joran told them what happened. Again – so much to speculate.
OJ killed his wife in an act of passion…this was a girl on VACATION killed by some godless foreigner!
Hope – a very good point w/ OJ case
I am sooooo happy that the dogs have a hit! It is spectacular! Finally our hope has been rejuvinated and whoever did it can pay! Oh, we do desperately need her. We need a sign or something! Our hope will completely die out otherwise and we will go on living our monotonous lives assuming that she is dead while she isn’t and she out there waiting for someone to rescue her. Oh… Spare me the thought.
OJ was a no-win case. The jurors were all inner-city people who had a massive distaste for police. DNA and all eveidence be damned. Johnny Cochran knew the mentality of the jurors and played on there hatred and distrust of the police.
now this stupid Maryann Croes (Aruban) on TV w/Greta and who was a dowdy old maid type is now tonight gussied up in a gown & fancy earrings
why not
so OJ is less godless than NH’s alleged killer?
Hi — Just for the record, I’m the Anne who was responding the past few days in cryptic posts. Not the “anne” who said Alabama people will take care of Joran. I’m the one who talked with Kris and Kristin in chat, as well, a few days ago, and answered the “hammer and block” thing. Just so everyone’s clear, I changed my name to AnnaMaria to avoid confusion.
The analogy to OJ is not a good one. In OJ, they had a trial, presented evidence, but the jury decided not to believe a white racist police department investigating a high-profile person with an investigation filled w/ mistakes — but at least they had a trial and witnesses spoke up.
The Aruba situation is different – although they have not yet found her, no person with a reasonable mind can say that she is either dead or was kidnapped – she did not just voluntarily walk away. Theories have floated — Juron killed her, or someone kidnapped her (Columbians or whoever), or maybe she’s sold into slavery. Yet, rather than tipping off the police, the locals and Aruban and Dutch loyalists on here simply defend the VDS family or hide behind the veil that they cannot turn in the Columbians (or the real “bad people”) — why the need for the code language above?
How would you guys react if your own daugther suffered this fate.
You may prefer for this case to go unresolved and that people will forget. Maybe many will, but this exposure will leave a bad taste in many people’s mouths.
OJ is a shithead but he killed Nicole in the heat of passion..it was his exwife
Natalee did NOT deserve what happened to her..she’s someone’s KID ON VACATION
they found Nicole’s body – where is NATALEE”S so the parents can have CLOSURE?
I am not gonna argue the OJ case here but there was evidence that was or could have been tampered and the cops were too eager to convict him and messed things up, with that gave a reasonable doubt which in any trial is means of a not guilty verdict just like with MJ. I thought OJ was guilty I am not saying he was innocent.
Anyone with half a brain knows OJ is guilty. He is a son of a bitch and will get his just desserts when he faces God someday
if the same evidence was provided to a judge to decide a verdict instead of a jury of 12, OJ would be watching his back when picking up a bar of soap in the shower.
Aruba should HANG ITS FUZZY HEAD IN SHAME over this investigation! Botched from the start! It’s an utter disgrace! I think the tropical sun affects everyone’s grey matter down there. Everyone acts stoned
cbudd Says:
June 27th, 2005 at 9:38 pm
I think there is a thread of truth to theirr original story. I do believe they took Natalee to the lighthouse. I think they raped her and murdered at that location. I do not believe that Joran would take her to the beach near the Marriott due to the possibility of others strolling the beach. I think the three boys disposed of her body within a 10 mile radius of either the light house or Joran’s home. I don’t see them calling dad for help. I think they agreed upon the lighthouse/ Holiday Inn story because they did not consider the surveillance cameras. Dad probably came into the picture the night the Holloways showed up. Between now and then the body could have been moved.
That is an absolte posibility. That just gave me a whole new thought. If you are reading this have you told the police officers your idea and if so have you suggested that they search that area? Have they searched it? If so, that would be spectacular, do you think that the body could have drifted out to see? If so we will probably have no hope of finding her. But, I probably shouldn’t say that. Oh… What is happening to the world?Good Gosh!
Babylonians and Shivas do not play with sandcastles
Follow the music!
Mary who was not a Virgin entered the maze to discover it’s secrets
The lamb is scared
The fires are lit
But now the lamb is a goat
Young Babylonians and Shivas do not build sand castles=
they weren’t on the beach?
My comment about the locals w/ any knowledge of the case being spineless still stands. But please answer my question, are the locals there really scared of the Columbians, mafia or other criminal element (assuming someone else other than the VDS did this)?
I told my husband if I ever came into money & could do what I wanted, I’d devote my entire life to helping find the lost and also my nights in prayer for those never found.
Mary never heard the buoy toll
ask the men who play dice and “roll”
That’s a good one, Drax
not meaning this to sound rude towards you Drax because of what you just said in response Shango but IF you were guilty of a crime and are being held and are not forthcoming with information to the police would you actually take the police to the last place you were with your victim?
observer: believe me, no one wants this case solved more than the Arubans, for reasons we all know. We’re doing all we can. You also have unsolved cases there, frustrating, but reality.
As fo the Columbians theory: I have no idea where that came from, but we are afraid of no one, not Columbians or even Americans for that matter.
THE DRAX SCORES
Follow the music
is this the music at the party on the one coming from the speakers of the blue van?
That guy tim miller from EQUUSEARCH just said to Greta he himself lost a 16 yr old daughter…her body was found 17 mos. after her death
He is a sweet man & said he’d sell his home to buy more time to fin d Natalee.
we are trying to ask the gamblers. they will not speak. they are to scared.
observer – it is no diffrent than in the US to some extent. if a drug ring feels threatened by a potential witness they will threaten and kill not only potential witness but all the related.
Tim Miller is a diamond in the ruff! What a heart he has to lead Equus to Aruba for natalee’s mom and family. He says he’s staying as long as Nat’s mom does. The light shines down
I’m sick of the riddles! speak directly please!
Mary never heard the buoy toll
ask the men who play dice and “roll”
…okay.. well this one is too bloody obvious. I don’t wanna play anymore.
Tim just said his dogs did smell a suspicious scent in the water today! So that guy giving hints earlier was right
XYZ – Are you still there? Here is a question that I’ve had for a while and maybe you can answer it. If Deepak received a call from Joran at 2:40am was it from Joran’s cell phone or a pay phone?
Comparing OJ case to NH case is simply apples and oranges. OJ was a famous multimillionaire and the jury was mostly black and that is why he got off. stupid defensive foreigners are so quick to harp on the wrongdoings in the US but they can’t even get their examples straight.
Well, I’m glad the Arubans are not scared of the Americans in general – you should not be. But let me suggest something, I think you should be afraid of the Holloways – just their demeanor today, they are not going to just go away, whether they need to take justice in their own hands or not.
The DiceMen must be questioned.
They to go to the Music and enter the same Maze
Mary who was not a virgin entered
The DiceMen ROLLED
Mary ROLLED
THE DRAX SCORES
…huh? me?…I did?
goodnight 4 now
Follow the music – dj, croes knows. We were told several times that he knows. Remember “The music man” will sing? As for the Babylonian and Shiva aren’t building sandcastles — Shango seems to be saying they are not lying or fantasizing — *building sandcastles in the air*
If they were never on the beach,were they in a rave party?
Where did you get the info that the dogs had a ”hit”? None of the local news or radio had anything to say about this tonight. I think this story is false.
Observer, I agree – It is clear that the Arubians are a country of lies and deceit – I haven’t seen an Arubian that is directly involved do anything ethical as of yet – Joran and friends have proven they will lie, the DJ admits he’s a liar, we all saw Paulus lie about his judge status during interview with Gretia, the authorities have deilberatly not used resources that would ensure the finding of Natalee and resolving this case ie: they didn’t use FBI divers or investigative team that has experience with this type case, they waited ample time before making arrests allowing the boys to meet to get rid of evidence and get their stories straight, allowed time for Paulus to get rid of any remaining evidence once joran was arrested -
Innocent people want to offer evidence to their innocence. Innocent people offer help in the investigation and provide evidence to prove why they are innocent – such as I couldn’t have done it because I was here or I was on the internet, check the computer or phone logs etc. Guilty people have a confrontational attitude such as the same attitudes of Paulus the night of May 31 and Joran when he arrogantly beat his chest in boredom when Beth asked about her daughter.
This case is old and I am not now nor will I ever be impressed with Aruba. They had every possible chance in the world to do the right thing by this case – they chose not to – they chose to be liars and they chose to delay investigations to solve the case –
We have the beautiful beaches of Hawaii – why in the world would anyone want to visit Aruba after this?
Is that where the crime(s) were committed?
when you say rolls do you mean on xtc?
Three cherries, drax! Kudos to you. Re: the codes I have acquired a taste for it, not everything makes sense, but it does if one has been following the lead.
Concerned, you’re right. Unless Shango had dual meanings with the sandcastles thing, I believe from all the other posts from our Aruban friends they never were at the beach, but at the house with the path.
No Edie, I wouls say from the bank
Mary ROLLED through the Maze
There is more than one house of music
the Lamb is a Scapegoat
DRAX: I think he means neither the Kalpoes nor the young Dutch boys went to the beach that night. They and NH went to a Rave (follow the music) where the gamblers were present. Not sure who the gamblers were.
BTW, hate to say it, but Simian’s and Shock’s info from the other night re: confession, etc. . . didn’t turn out to be so accurate unless I am remembering things wrong.
But Shango appears to be suggesting the beach story is BS and instead they all ended up at a Rave where the gamblers and NH took XTC.
Yliana, the dogs did hit. It was confirmed on Fox by Tim Miller.
They are not finished with the site, but so far, no body.
well you never know. I have heard people say they were rollin on x
Steve Croes was detained because he overheard something and repeated it. The elder vdS was detained because of something someone of the Holloway/Twitty group told the police happened when NH’s mother visited with the vdS’. There is absolutely nothing to indicate that there was something more. I think everyone is so gungho on the vdS’ that no one is looking elsewhere which I think is a big mistake.
Sorry, I got ahead of myself. Hello and good evening to all. How’s edie this evening?
The DiceMen must be questioned.= some guy(s) who were gambling need to be
questioned
They to go to the Music and enter the same Maze= they went to a party
Mary who was not a virgin entered= Natalee was there
The DiceMen ROLLED= ?
Mary ROLLED= Mary= Natalee
Babylonian= Joran…right?
The Lamb returned to the fold
Mary Rolled
And the lions played
Hi subdude! I have been looking for you.
subdude
But the shivas didn’t knew the girls, says shango.
And did you noticed? You are no longer the only Papi here. Now we also have Big Pappy.
How was your weekend????
Concerned – I don’t know, it is very odd that Fox can confirm something that local officials cannot confirm.
The Lamb delivered Mary to the lions who fed, but how would that make Mary dead?
Joran left the party. Natalie was high on XTC. lions?
Sub
Shivas did not know the GIRL (Singular)
Windows looking onto Babylon are being opened by the ThreadSurfers
Howdy, sub! I stand corrected. I feel that some inklings of reference have come to fruition.
Bham – I agree. Hawaii is the way to go from now on.
The Aruban prosecutors and attorneys still don’t have a clue. They are on FOX saying “she has been missing for a month, so we have a strong suspicion a serious crime has been committed.” – well, no sh*t – does not take a genius to figure that out.
AFter all the Equusearch can only do their job with local officials with them
Tim Miller on FOX did confirm that 2 dogs hit on something at the quarry searched today. He said they had all their divers sent there to search. They didn’t find anything yet, but he said he doesn’t consider the quarry “cleared” yet.
who in the heck did joran leave Natalie with high on x? what an ass.
JVDS is lamb aka scapegoat?
What about the fires are lit? Does it mena they are ready to sacrifice the lamb as an offering to….?
Just because someone is missing does not mean a crime has been committed.
The Lamb returned to the fold
Mary Rolled
And the lions played
Joran left the party. Natalee stayed behind.
Jorans a scapegoat , NH stayed at the party, the gamblers raped her and she died from XTC if I am getting this right which could be all BS. Seems out of character for NH from her mom.
We don’t know for sure she was on x but all the hints seem to be pointing that way
The maze offers many hidden desires
deflowerings of forbidden fruits
DirtyHand knows.
So does the elder.
The lamb is a scapegoat.
I have doubts on Fox’s report!
Observer – I saw that too – I have no tolerance for that kind of ethics – They sat on their butts and let the leads go cold. What if the scenario that Natalee was sold or kidnapped was actually true – She’s certainly deceased now because she became too hot and Aruba bumbled around so they could protect their lying precious Vandersloots – whatever happened that night – Arubians allowed Natalee to be killed. My compassion for their inexperience is over – they could have done the right thing.
Mary rolled = Mary was tripping on ecstacy
Joran delivered Natalee to Lorenzo and others. Lorenzo who had gotten pissed at Joran for showing up with Natalee
xtc pretty popular in states too, even in alabama.
Moms always think their children are little angels.
Hey Lucy and edie. I think buyme has it. Joran (the sacrificial lamb not being scape”goatted” left the party, as witnessed by the gambles, and NH remained there.
Missed the SHIVAS did not know the girl hint. Shivas do not play with sandcastles == Kalpoes never @ beach, either then.
But if JVDS left her alive at a party, and Kalpoes never saw her, why concoct this story about dropping her off. Taking a girl to a rave where she gets high on X and does not want to leave does not = crime or a reason to be afraid enough to lie about being there.
BTW, weekend from Sunday through this afternoon has been hectic — workwise. On the road, no laptop.
How’s everyone. I’ve missed chatting.
Whoa! Chris in the Halls you there?
Mary stopped rolling too soon and the lions faces were seen. I don’t think Lorenzo is a lion, new girl. Where is Simian?
As a youngin’, I met guys that ditched girls at parties or the like.
They were arrogant, careless people.
DirtyHand has walked through the maze
He knows of the forbidden fruit
and the gardeners
Hello ther, Dana. How is it happening with you? My fat Danish wife is asleep
subdude
They did give them a ride, they weren’t even at the bar before that. They picked Joran and Natalee up, and did not crossed a word with her.
Shango: Does DirtyHand often hold a pen and is he sour?
Now, what would or could the raver(s) do with this girl??
AnnaMaria said: I don’t think Lorenzo is a lion, new girl.
Just curious – why not?
Bham – who said the vdS’s are ours? They live here – they are not even Aruban so why would you say we’re lying to protect “their precious vdS”??? We want this case solved as much as anyone out there. We feel for the Holloways and still hope she will turn up somehow.
I say lets send in the Marines and kick all there asses! Well take over Aruba!Joran is Guilty and the Kalpoes also in my opinion they delivered her! If that was my daughter I would be looking to kill some people.
Why do they leave the Maze open?
Why hasn’t an Arawak probed it’s fetid depths.
Tell the Cowboys!
The Arawaks are hiding the path to the Maze for the Babylonians.
Ylana – how can you say no crime has been committed? Do you regularly give blow jobs to Juron VDS or otherwise whore out for the criminal element (Columbians or whoever you guy seem to be pointing fingers at)?
what is the maze?
Gardeners?
She is buried on land?
NewGirl: Well, because of p=1188 and Simian’s posts there, mostly. Also, he is young and from what I understand, not in any position of overt power. But I am just guessing, like all of us.
Someone said last night that Dirty Hand was somebody in the police.
rape, and tape a snuff video?
Again, hello, sub! We’ve all missed you and your angles. ‘Hope that you are doing well.
Observer, no need to get vulgar! You’re a disgrace!
DirtyHand has walked through the maze:…is DirtyHand Poppa VDS?
All know of the music
beckoning lost souls
to enter the seven levels of inferno
who gave Mary the poison wine of Bacchus?
Enter the Maze.
Or , the gardeners are the parents and Natalee is the foprbidden fruit.
Sorry, peeps. Hwelp me out here.
Shango’s post:
The maze offers many hidden desires
deflowerings of forbidden fruits
DirtyHand knows.
So does the elder.
The lamb is a scapegoat
Maze include a prostitution ring, perhaps young girls = deflowering of forbidden fruits
Police Chief knows as does PVDS. Remember Simian’s or Shock’s post that the PIMPle is about to pop. Was a reference to impending arrest of PVDS. PVDS pimps these young girls in the prostitution ring?? Seems like a stretch.
i agree with subdude…this whole theory falls apart when joran and his pals continually lie about their whereabouts with Natalee…
i think these rumors or scenarios are being set up by some of Jorans pals…seeking to deflect attention elsewhere..i think its pretty lame…nothing they have said has proved to be true
We thoughts Dirtyhand the cop? Ingrid also say maybe Joran is just stooge but then, why he the liar?
Yliana
He gets like that when he has a few beers.
Yliana – I am not going to repost – but go back and look where I specifically said “those directly involved with the case” – and yes Aruba is responsible for the pathetic investigation – Aruba has not demonstrated ethical tactics in this case at all –
Please don’t start whining about no evidence and what a good boy joran is – there is plenty of evidence of lies and deliberate delays in the investigation. Any arguments otherwise are a blatant refusal to admit guilt and look at facts.
AND – VDS are yours – anyone in a high ranking position is yours – like it or not – You’re not like our our country where we allow anyone in and move into high positions.
what is up with something bad happened to her. (sounds like something a 3 year old would say if he saw something bad happening).what shool are these guys from. bet they don’t go to school. if he said something bad happened to her he must have seen it.
HI CHRIS!
Dirty Hands is not PVDS
Maze with seven levels – Marriott. Send an FBI agent to the Marriott to try and get drugs. Many of the tickle site commentators mentioned Marriott parties – at both JvDs and Valentijn’s sites.
who is dirty hands?
I don’t think Lorenzo is dirty hand. The repeated references to Babalu’s 12:30 post make that clear. But our tipsters have suggested that Lorenzo had a motive to harm Natalee for blowing him off in favor of Joran later in the week, and there have been rumblings about Lorenzo being crazy and not someone you want to mess with.
I think Simian was at one time suggesting that Lorenzo has slaughtered dogs and that something is wrong with him.
The Drax asks a question for which he already provided an answer.
and why is joran calling his Kalpoe pals at all hours of teh night…why are they his taxi service??? weird!
dirtyhand = PVDS?
A stretch indeed, subdude
I find the whole thing creepy. I am also Danish, Chris in the Halls.
Babalu opened a window looking onto Babylon with his 12:30 A.M. post
That’s unfortunate, Shango.
Is it that the lamb left for home and left Mary behind
2 b preyed upon in the raving lion’s den
then escaped back to lbe with her her again?
In respect to the Holloway/Twitty and families. Their faith gives them so much strength. Oddly, I have never come across any kind of falsification amist the entire incidence.
I personally think Nh went with JVDS somewhere obviously she was on x or was given the date rape drug unknowingly, she was out of it- she woke up in the middle of something bad happening to her- rape maybe, and she was killed to silence her.
Awark(s) is/are indians native to the islands.
Where does Mr. van der Slut get his money to live in nice home if he not emplooyed?
what i keep wondring is why Deepak told mickey j that he expected Natalee to be found in some crack house or beach bar? i mean if they dropped them at beach what transpired to make him come to that conclusion..doesnt add up or correlate to their version of what they say happened that night?
Shango
Bahm, judges come and go – they usually stay with a contract of 3 to 5 yrs. I’m not even going to go into ethics in the legal system because the system is the US is by no means ALL ETHICS!
I don’t know if JvdS is a good boy or not – hell, he might be as guilty as sin. The fact is that the only evidence there is, is that they were the last to be seen with NH. That is no evidence. It’s speculation. These kids would be home already if it were in the US.
The security gaurd could have been lying as well.
Shango says: The Drax asks a question for which he already provided an answer.
I don’t understand, Shango.
Dana, are you big hefty woman like my Danish spousal?
I think he meant PVDS
drax ..he means u guessed the dirty hand as paul van der sloot
He’s talking about Dirty Hands identity, please refer to my post of yesterday 12:30 AM. He is JVDS, and not Joran.
This is from June 22nd – and I believe is a reference to Lorenzo:
# Simian Says:
June 22nd, 2005 at 5:41 pm
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June 22nd, 2005 at 5:40 pm
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June 22nd, 2005 at 5:38 pm
Checkme…check this…and please recheck:
Girl comes to Aruba. Meets cool and crazy guy in C@$ino. Goes out with him. He declares that to be the case. Can’t deny it. It’s on tape. Everybody in the C@$ino knows the group of teens, they have been drinking in there for free the whole week.
After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same C@$ino. Goes out with him. This makes first guy really mad. So mad he confronts second boy.
First guy never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning.
How can this ever be solved?
pvds and polis chief are involved in distributing xtc and other vices?
Shango is Mary dead?
DH is a raver/drug dealer/party host
So who are the gamblers at the casino with Joran, are they the children of Babal, Arabs or what?
this hole thing quite sickening
Marriott has eight floors. I was wrong. Holiday Inn has seven.
well having an alibi in aruba seems to mean nothing…look at the 2 black security guards…they had alibis
why don’t you spineless people mention some of your theories to the Aruban authorities? scared?
You can free VDS, but Alabama justice will probably take over from there.
Natalee’s mom 2night said her daughter staid on 1st floor of hotel she stayed in
Ok Yliana – just like the rest of the Dutch – go ahead and continue to ignore all the lies because it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy. I wonder why they let the DJ go since supposedly all of this questioning is under oath and he admitted he lied – boys lied – everyone is lying – I guess in your world that’s all about ethics.
I know we have problems in the US justice system – but we admit it – we don’t run around covering up for our criminals – Hell you can have OJ and Michael Jackson – do whatever you want with them – but we didn’t take one of your residents, allow continual lying without ANY consequences and then intentionally botch the investigation. Whatever happened to her – Aruba is covering.
Let ‘s don’t continue this conversation. I have no respect for this passive “anything could have happened to her attitude” that you people keep spewing. It’s old. You take no responsibility for the lies or come up with what you consider acceptable reasons for lying. If you lie = you’re guilty. PERIOD!
First, the fact that Joran and the Kalpoes are not involved is bogus. Second, the statement that was made about Little VDS and the timeframe was “where would a 17yo get rid of or hide a body in that small amount of time. Third, Joran has been doing all “those “things that are illegal for a couple of years now. He has been going to casinos and Karlos and Charlies since at least 2004. He was at the blackjack table where Natalee and her friends were sitting. NO ONE SAID they did not have time to committ the crime. Right now they are still following the lead based on “these people being on the beach.”
The timeline is all wrong. Paulis and Anita are both lying. All suspects are lying.
Natalee is there. She is waiting to be found. Waiting is all she can do. Steve Croes is a liar. He is not innocent. He believes he has escaped culpability. Watch his body language and esp. his facial expressions.
When we say things about “boycotting Aruba” we are not trying to punish all people of Aruba. The government needs to suffer from much pressure. What better way to start applying pressure than for the people to get fed up with their government. What will make people fed up with the way a government is handling things? Hit them in the wallet. Aruba is a big travel industry. Fewer tourists, less moola to float around. We need to get an international agency that is unbiased involved. Like Interpole. We need the DEA to start looking into strange “traffic” We need to go from every angle we can. This is not just about Natalee.
Natalee’s mom and stepdad should not have said they do not care what happens to the boys “they just want Natalee back.” This is sending a message to any foreign country that because their laws are different that someone can kill an American girl and it does not matter to the rest of the world. That because their laws are different it is ok. So the next time it could be someone elses daughter, sister, mother, niece, cousin, girlfriend. This is wrong.
Natalee is there. One of her fathers have been close to where she was at some point, during the tragic hours of her life or where she lay. She is waiting and we cannot let this get buried. There are more secrets then the death/disappearance of Natalee. For now, Natalee is the important thing. She is waiting. Please do not give up. Near rocky parts or places of shadowy rocks where the hermit crabs reside. Also, there is a piece of jewelry overlooked. A piece of sentimental meaning. Please everyone believe she can be found. She can be found and they need the positive support.
Well, if that is the case why hasn’t baby VDS told the police of the other guy.
Anna Maria
What about basement?
but the black security guards don’t have CONNECTIONS
Lucy spoke at 10:56
Tom, Red, and all the loyal Scared Monkey Bloggers (Riehl World Bloggers, too) who have been following Natalee Halloway’s disappearance… It is my sincere hope that upon conclusion of this matter everyone involved here can focus on finding/uncovering the truth about the disappearance of Amy Bradley. The power of blogging has been an instrumental part of binging to light the truth behind what happened to NH and I hope that it can now be focused on helping the Bradley family with their plight. As we all can attest to, blogging in 1998 was not what it is today, so hopefully blogging can play an integral part in this other disappearance of a young American woman in South America.
# Lucy Says:
June 27th, 2005 at 10:56 pm
Someone said last night that Dirty Hand was somebody in the police.
dirty hand = polis chief
If a service person say he see Amy at a brothel, why he not help her? i dont believe sh was seen. I at least hope not 4 her poor sakes
Hmmmm
DH is cop/high-ranking criminal tied into kasino
Why isn’t he or she biting their tongue away?
Is his/her soul panging from this sin/sins?
# edie Says:
June 27th, 2005 at 11:13 pm
Well, if that is the case why hasn’t baby VDS told the police of the other guy.
My response? Because it would require implicating people who he is terrified of – a psycho violent drug dealer and possibly someone in the polis
Joran is bidding his time and following advice. If he does not talk, he does not screw up. In Aruba, not talking can be an asset.
Per Shango’s last post: DH is in the polis, I think the Chief who is apparently buddies with PVDS. Sorry I missed 36 hours or so of posts> Van Der Straten? Who and how connected?
Hey chimes, don’t mean to ignore.
“Windows looking onto Babylon are being opened by the ThreadSurfers”
Now we’re getting somewhere.
Why do they leave the Maze open? Tell the Cowboys!
The morons are still partying. Investigate the rave scene.
New Girl – I think it was a reference to Lorenzo, too. Who gave Mary the poison wine of Bacchus — a bartender at C&C’s, maybe?
I yell-
They said that the man did not know of a missing woman named amy bradley, and when people saw her talking to this man they told her to get upstairs
AB fell off the balcony on the ship in mid ocean. End of story.
Perhaps I will next sign in as “Rpeat,” “Sbmissive,” “Rsearcher.”
Per “Repeat,” Babalu Says:
June 27th, 2005 at 12:34 am
When I refered to the Arabs, I did because in one of his long poems, Shango makes reference to the Sumerians. So I asummed that. I understand the leading business people in Aruba and Curazao, are very richly rich families of either Arab or Jewish origins, established there for centuries.
DirtyHand does not play with the lions
but he has entered the maze
the lamb is a scapegoat
DirtyHand knows
So does the Elder
sub-
what kind of law do you practice?
Glad to be back!
I give up, at least for a while. I am becoming very frustrated and letting this story consume me . I wish only the best for NH and family……….I will continue to bounce in here and channel surf but I am flat out of scenarios. Is there ANYTHING we have not covered yet? In my heart I feel Joran and dad are in kahoots and hold the key to the Holloways closure that they so desparetly need, until there is evidence to clear him of his digusting lies I will point my finger in his direction, of course with help from the rest of his buddies and pops. If that makes me a bad person for not having blood stains on his clothing to incriminate him then so be it. You can tell he was guilty. and the fact that they have not showed him in any footage latley leads me to beleive that the polis do not want Mr Self-incriminating to have access to cameras so he can strut his bad ass and make a mochary of everyone. Sorry for rambling, half of which I am sure makes no sense. I am going to need medication soon. I cant even imagine what this must be doing to Mom and family.
Thanks for listening guys- You monkeys are the best
-Jenn
precisely buyme..although if u ask most arubans on here they say this special tretament just isnt prevelant…it seems to be a very devious society….everyone saying Joran is afraid to snicth….i say he has more to worry about if he doesnt!
Someone pls. bring me up to speed. Lorenzo is b/f #1, right>
Shango, is the maze at the HI?
If whoever did this to Natalee is powerful and violent enough to make Natalee disappear and orchestrate a perfect cover up, would you take your chances and rat them out? Would you just keep quiet and hope the body never surfaces and everybody goes on with their lives?
sunny
No, they were in port in Curazao. She was seen 15 mins. before they opened the gate to go down.
Race – the Amy Bradley case is just as disgusting as the Natalee case – once again foreigners commit atrocities agains Americans and then hide behind a passive attitude of “it must have been Amy’s fault – she must have run away or fallen overboard” They NEVER EVER admit the truth. I’m so absolutely sick of it.
I would love to know, how many times a day the average Arubian/Dutch whatever tells a lie. It is SO commonplace that they think lying is just a part of life. I would LOVE to know the answer to this.
Amy Bradley is still alive. This marine took a lie detector test, and passed he spoke to her
I did not know about Amy until now. Her story is uncanny. Our feds should be probing that… The problem springs back to drug cartel, their hold on cops such as DH is tight and everyone is afraid. There are no rules with criminals. They kill children, relatives, lovers, etc.
edie: Torts and construction. Defend architects and engineers in construction disputes and personal injury cases, mostly.
Shango says: Lucy spoke at 10:56
DirtyHand= someone in the police force
Bham – it’s quite easy for you to play all high and mighty – this “USA rules!” shit. Because is it you who can’t admit that the US is not all that – and no, you don’t admit it. Just because you say it , doesn’t mean you believe it. Look how the Camden police botched their search for the 3 little boys – I have yet to hear that they admitted wrongdoing. Plus – your government is still covering up for the criminals in the Kennedy assassination.
For someone who believes so passionately about the wonderful American legal system, you certainly cannot grasp the ‘innocent until prove guilty’ concept, which your legal system is based.
We are small, yes. We don’t attend to much murder cases – that is true. But that in no way means that we are unethical, that our police/officials are liars. Those in custody lied and they will be dealt with. We don’t want criminals walking among us either; if they are guilty, it will come to light and they will get punished.
Lorenzo I thought was Jorans crazy half brother. The one with grafitti on his home. And also has been referred to as boyfriend number1
Babalà º Says:
June 27th, 2005 at 12:30 am
Concerned
No, I guess he is head of some local official corps. He is the guy that knows everything and that has been in the house of Babylonians NOT seeking pleasure for himself, so Shango says. So maybe he went to search for Natalee and he is the chief of Polis.
Follow the music
into the maze
the lions know they are being stalked
the gamblers and other Rollers talk
tell the cowboys!
i dont think its a perfect coverup..lets not forget the sloppy police work afforded many potential suspects days for them to dispose of body and cement alibis….
Why do the police trust an alibi given by drugged out ravers who probably witnessed / participated in / know what happened to Natalee?
Well, I guess maybe because the boys are too scared to talk and Natalee’s friends and parents insist she never would have been there.
Dirty Hands is the one who could break the story wide open, but he won’t because of what HE has at stake.
Lorenzo IS NOT Papa VDS’s son. He is Mr. Van Rijn’s son, may he rest in peace.
is mary dead shango? what good is entering the maze if it doesn’t lead to her or the body?
to answer your question about lying: your ex-Prez Clintin might be able to give us pointers I guess – No I did not have sexual intercourse with that girl – oh yeah right!
I’m signing off – no sooner had I posted my post about how commonplace that it is for the Dutch to lie than I see all the excuses as to why Joran is lying . GIVE ME A BREAK! I do not believe in lying under any circumstances – not for your son, not for your spouse , not for any reason.
Does anyone have a pic of this lorenzo character?? or a link ?? thanks
so self righteous Bham. can’t reason with you. sorry
Aghh! Have we or have we not established that, according to Shango, Jan Van der Straaten is Dirty Hands?
I can’t do this anymore.
The Arawaks will not enter the maze unless the cowboys refuse the peace pipe
Follow the music,
the lions are not tame
DirtyHand knows,
so does the elder
Yliana
Ignor and move on. Assume that direct hits to you come from trolls and/or impostors.
Well, I thought that this Lorenzo and Joran are friends….
bahm buh bye
Dirty hand needs to cleanse his soul. Natalee’s mom, if not natalee, will haunt him. If he has a daughter, he will never be the same.
Yliana: That depends on what you mean by the word “is”. — William Jefferson Clinton, from one of his depositions. I personally love “Slick Willy”, but was having a hard time telling the truth, no pun intended:)
polis chief knows and so does pvds
the lions?
CaveCricket, that’s another strange thing that suggests to me that Lorenzo may be deeper than the others into the “underworld.” He has no tickle site, no party pictures, or anything on the ‘net – or if he has, noone has found it yet. Low profile.
Lucy, you here?
Some windows overlooking Babylon have been opened
The cowboys need to find the right path,
but they can’t hear the music.
The Arawaks know
Stupid Cowboys with Arawak Guides
Cowboys don’t read smoke signals,
they must enter the maze!
Shango needs to feed the messengers. The Gods are talking.
Croes is the music man and also a drug dealer (He “rolls” weed). She got in the party house, saw a bunch of drug activity and was looking to get out fast. They couldn’t let her go and give the cops all kinds of info on who they were and what they had there. Too much at stake, so they killed her.
Babalu – I think you are right – bham must feel quite inferior to have to insult a people to feel good about himself.
I suppose the lions are the drug dealers?
Presidents are not the American people! We are not our leaders.
American people have a heart and spirituality. Believe it, or not.
The people with the cowboys are purposely leading them in the wrong direction… and the cowboys do not realize it yet
Hi Checkme. I am here, just reading though.
Yliana claims to know what I think now – again you ignore the facts and ramble on with pure emotion. HA HA! You said it yourself, we admit our mistakes and I never voted for Clinton. I’ll tell you any day of the week what that man is about. Keep flapping the jaws Yliana – the ignorance just keeps falling out. Frankly it doesn’t matter what you believe or what you say – your trivial little words have no impact here. The world sees the injustice done in Aruba and they will not forget it. Clearly you’re no better than those sitting in a jail cell -
Ta Ta all
Checkme
Messages for you up above.
seriously! I do not agree with anything George Bush does. we are not responsible for what he does… However we put him back in office
Shango, be more direct. It matters!!
Shut up y’all — I want to hear from Shango
Now i know why i took English literature in university…hahahaha some of these posts remind me of an english class gone wild! hidden symbolisms and metaphors….i still think this is some of Jorans fan club members trying to divert attention away from him
and this whole US vs Aruba thing..how juvenile!
The one thing i know for sure..the aruban govt botched this investigation and have more than liekly robbed this family of finding their child as a result…..unforgiveable!
Yliana and Bham: Chill, please? The negativity is creating static. Agree to disagree and use the energy to figger out Shango’s lingo, si vous plais (sp?)
subdude- I get it – I like Clinton – he was ok but I just can’t stand people play all saint when their own backyard is full of trash.
Not to muddy the waters, but I think the Chandra Levy case is a better parallel for this case than Amy Bradley.
Chandra Levy went missing on April 30, 2001 and no hard information turned up until May 22, 2002 almost 13 months later when her skeletal remains were found in Rock Creek Park. And her body wasn’t that far from where a massive search was held. This case could drag on a long time.
From you? cannot find it.
Bham – i thought you were leaving a while ago — guess you were lying?
Checkme
Did you leave? If not, say something please.
Arawaks are local Arubans?
How are you?
My mind is changed. I thought Aruba was a family friendly place. Seems like it has a very seamy underside.
Shango, windows have been opened, are bloggers the messengers or should someone else get these messages?
What is the peace pipe? Until the cowboys refuse that, nothings happening?
Being led in wrong direction?
Lions know they are being stalked, getting hot where they are I bet?
Yes, subdude they are native indians to the island(s)
Very well and you? Y tu amigo???
Good night, all! Pray for the Light to penetrate this darkness. Pray for the Holloways and those who love them.
The ‘music’ Shango?… Is it always
playing?
shango: maze = graveyard?
very tired. Qual amigo?
I take maze to mean the underworld of Aruba. Seamy side.
No, the messages are from the guy that has a few beers and becomes agressive.
subdude, you are a lawyer and you actually buy all thsi goobledy gook? i mean why speak in riddles..just speak the truth….it doesnt matter how he tells all of us, does it? why doesnt this person go to authorities and tell them what he/she knows.
G’night, Concerned.
Lucy: I luv it when you speak Spanish, even if its not to me. What’s up Checkme.
Lucy: I toll you not to bring Little Ricky to the bar.
El papà ¡ del hijo.
what messages? We said MAZE
Subdude
Little Ricky is out with Ethel.
Mary rolled into the maze
to play with lions
but it was not a game
the lamb ran bleating
afraid to walk through the maze
why don’t the arawaks ambush the lions?
The cowboys don’t know.
DirtyHand knows, but is afraid of the Arawak Nation
The gods are talking
Just cause it bothered me. They import a judge from another island to eliminate possible links to the judge in jail or what ever their reason. He is so irresponsible that with all the attension focused on this the whole world watching, he misses his flight. Then he arrives on a sunday and turns two people loose. One immediately, the judge. I wonder who sent him. I also think the minister or who ever that went right on the air and said they arrested him solely for the purpose of pressuring his son, set it up for him to be released. Sorry to have a cynical mind but this all looks like its not all up and up to me.
Checkme – There are messages to you from me above. I think the Aruban and Dutch loyalists (and those covering up for whoever did this, or those not informing the police) are spineless and lack any courage. Are you guys really afraid of this so-called mafia or Columbian cartel (I know you support the kidnapping or suspect 5 theory).
You seem somewhat reasonable – please respond. The media may leave Aruba but I don’t think the Holloways will leave before taking the law in their own hands.
lisabobeesa, bananafofanna:
How do? I don’t know if I buy all this, but for me its better to stay involved and “speculate” than the feeling of hopelessness if I throw my hands up and say “We’ll never know.” Just a personal preference — not a judgment.
Where has the simian been tonight?
So obvious? Es mas conocido que un amigo. pero aki todo el mundo es un conocido.
Wish I could just talk to you without everybody listening in but I guess this is the price we pay for meeting in the open.
this whole thing is making me very tired. Seeing NH’s mom on TV repeating herself today… This is not going to come out like this.
Dana – Aruba is a very friendly family place – that has not changed, despite this unfortunate and tragic incidence. We are still the safest island around!
Peace Pipe and Smoke signals means the search team needs to get into the drug scene in Aruba to get the answers. I saw it reported by one person on another board previously that NH had gone up to one of the watersports booths early in the trip and asked about how to get drugs. I think she found her way to them.
Does it read to anyone else that as long as the cowboys accept the assistance from the Arawaks, the Arawaks will lead them astray rather than in the right direction?
The Simian was incorrect about the package from the Hague
I told the Simian, but the Simian would not listen
The simian is not a simian, but an austrolopithecus
Goodnight all.
Lucy: I love redheads. Don’t know “hijo”, but I’m LOL anyhoo.
Shango: Baby VDS saw the lions doing bad things to NH, with her consent, as much as she could “consent” on X. She was getting ganged, and Joran was not up for it, erh… so to speak, and left.
Are the lions from SA?
If you ever want to write, ledelmira@yahoo.com.br
They have not hit the right place. But something like malmak or malmar beach speaks out. To Ayo or caribari. Everyone is going by what Joran says is the time he got home and now the father. One thing they did say was, he was late to school or did not attend that day. He had more time than he is saying. There are secrets waiting to get out. There are uncontrollable sources there.
I know that Dutch law is much different from American law, but treating murder, brutality as an everyday thing. The Aruban/Dutch authorities need to find the answers. They need to release the Dutch Marines to help. They need to find a small group of people that can scout the island around rocky areas or areas with rocks of shade where hermit crabs reside at least part-time. People that can be spared from the regular searches.
I also wonder if they checked the mileage of the cars. Of course, they will not know the previous mileage, unless records are kept for some odd reason, but there must be something that can give them an ecological clue. There is evidence or dna in a strange place. A mixture. There is something that is hidden in plain sight that may be evidence. They are not that far from finding some answers. They cannot quit.
Max – it was the minister of justice who uttered those words, who by the way were not backed up by the prosecutor’s office. They are actually quite pissed at him for stating an untruth. The Minister of justice has absolutely no authority to release or request release of a detainee.
Moon Sammy: Did the post say which watersport booth?
Crazy as it seems, has anyone sent this specific blog address to Natalee’s family? Could someone? A girl posting earlier said she was talking to one of the EquuSearch team, if they are cowboys, and in the wrong place, let’s tell em, right? Maybe some of this would not seem a stretch to a Mom who knew her daughter but didn’t want to paint her as anything less than a daughter she loves very much for the tv nation. Could it hurt to get these far-fetched ideas to some in the hands of someone who could make it count? I bet they would follow any lead at this point. If for some reason Shango is on with this whole line of thought, we need to get the cowboys on track!
Threadsurfers on other beaches are oblivious to the Maze and the lions
without exposure, the arawaks will deceive the cowboys
they will leave without loot
I think there will eventually be some Alabama justice and no American will argue against it.
Subdude
Hijo is son. Ricky loved redheads too.
I imagine Shango in a multicolored toga, with a turbant, Raybans and incense around him. All mystical. Babalà º is more the tobacco type, chewing on his Churchill, hand rolled in la Calle Ocho.
The holloways should take their law in their own hands. The customers of the Colombians lie in the Holloways’ land. These customers have made the Colombian insurgency rich and powerfull and no democracy can withstand it. It is simple. The americans are addicted to quick satisfactions (Iraq for example) (the entire media structure for that matter) vs. lonmg term investment in education of their youth, care for the poor and genuine security against the evils of our modern world.
Jeez, why did I write this… Oh yes, fear for the Colombians, no we don’t fear them. We can only fear ourselves falling to them as prey. That’s why we humble serve our customers in a legal way and stay out of trouble. Only those that do mess and deal with Colombians need to fear them.
The lions are simply people who are lying, i.e. the Kalpoes
The night that Natalee’s mom went to the VDS’s home (after 1st arriving in Aruba) PVDS said his son was out playing in a Poker Tournament…..this was 1:00a.m. in the morning….but, the night before he had to sneak out???
I have some questions……How many days did this tournament last? Where was this tournament being held? Does the police have all the names of the people that were in this tournament?
I know they are having a big poker tournament in Aruba in Sept. or Oct. so this tournament must be something just for the local islanders.
I have also read on several sites where people that do play poker in the casinos tell everyone to watch out for the locals because they will take all your money if you are not careful. What the locals do is have several that are in cahoots together (other family members and/or friends) and pretend that they are playing for themselves but the fact of the matter is they work together as a team….and then split the money up between themselves because it doesn’t matter which one wins or loses….they just keep raising the stakes until you are broke!
Hi, all,
There is a new thread with only one message for those of us who do “the scroll.”
Shango: Lion = Rastaman???
what is Alabama justice, observer
“The Arawaks will not enter the maze unless the cowboys refuse the peace pipe”
But the cowboys have to REFUSE the peace pipe, so what is it?
Shango is the god of justice
alive in many forms
he who speaks through Oxum through lightning
and himself through thunder
father of the violent dance
diviner of secrets of the seven levels of inferno
bound to truth even as it burns
so that justice may be brought.
BigPappy: I think Shango agrees with you. Arubans are leading searches in the wrong direction purposely. The Cowboys need to be brought into the loop. What’s the harm?
Shango: The maze?? More info please on location.
watching from afar I believe that Shango knows to much. Is he involved? Is he responsible. He speaks the words only the ones could know.
Why don’t you idiots report this “theory” about the Arawaks to the Cowboys you spineless gutless bastards. Maybe one of the Columbians will cut your throats at the end of this.
the other message board poster did not mention which booth.
I don’t mean to sound, well mean…
but some of the mysterious texts are very contrived to the discussion in the current thread. I’m not a huge fan of fortune tellers and such, so maybe I am bias here. But if there is truely a point, just come right out and say it as it is. The way I see it is anyone can make up names and say cryptic yet obvious things that can be derived into any meaning in order to protect the alleged ability if/when found to be wrong.
Just my thought, no offense.
Yliana
He’s upset today. Let it go.
LOL, Lucy. I can smell the incense and hear chanting; both remind me of being at church on Sunday! Do you remember the post on the Octopus snorkeling boat and how its website went down around the same time NH went missing? Could that be the “watersport booth?”
Only those who cRave music go into the Maze
Either Shango is leading you all on a wild goose chase or he was directly involved with this
Shango, What kind of exposure? How?
I think that is about enough Observer. Logoff and go to sleep.
the peace pipe will be natalie’s body. The Arubians will lead the americans to the body and hope the inquiry ends there, since she has been down too long for toxicology tests to show anything. They then hope the americans leave with no answers as to who did this. The only way the Arubians will then get into the drug scene is if the americans refuse to just accept the body and stay and force the issue into what happened.
Lucy: Like Father, like son. Very clever, indeed. I got the address.
Shango: The fires of justice burn bright. Would someone please email the Cowboys. Their website is http://www.texasequusearch.org. I would, but, believe it or not, my email is not set up @ home.
Lucy – I really don’t know what it is – I guess it’s something quite nasty; my only guess seeing the conviction of Killen of Alabama this past week that it has to do with racially motivated attacks on innocent people.
Lucy,
You are the sweetest. I hope you gave a junky email because they warned those that gave away email addresses would be obliterated by bots.
The night that Natalee’s mom went to the VDS’s home (after 1st arriving in Aruba) PVDS said his son was out playing in a Poker Tournament…..this was 1:00a.m. in the morning….but, the night before he had to sneak out???
I have some questions……How many days did this tournament last? Where was this tournament being held? Does the police have all the names of the people that were in this tournament?
I know they are having a big poker tournament in Aruba in Sept. or Oct. so this tournament must be something just for the local islanders.
I have also read on several sites where people that do play poker in the casinos tell everyone to watch out for the locals because they will take all your money if you are not careful. What the locals do is have several that are in cahoots together (other family members and/or friends) and pretend that they are playing for themselves but the fact of the matter is they work together as a team….and then split the money up between themselves because it doesn’t matter which one wins or loses….they just keep raising the stakes until you are broke!
AnnaMarà a
I don’t know. I’d go to Haiti ant take a attend a crash course in written Shango 101, but they only speak Krà ¨yà ²l. Went to Babylon.com, they don’t have a Shango dictionary either,
checkme and lucy should get a room.
Hello to all. This is my first time online today. Would someone PLEASE give me the gist of what happened today & what everyone is saying ..so that I don’t have to read miles and miles of riddles that never make sense to me. Will someone please do that for me?
The gods of Babylon have orchested the refrain for the Arawak choir
the music which holds the answers lies within the maze
the cowboys will smile sweetly as the chorus sings
backs turned to the maze
never hearing a single note
from the poison song
What do you mean junky e-mail????
Okay Arubans, where are Rave spots on the island. Somebody out there knows. Answer, please.
I mean an email address that you hardly use…
Homo ….Sapiens
We do have a room. A room within the threat, so that we can share it with you.
Shango….will you please quit wasting our time with your jibber-jabber. If you don’t know how to speak English in terms where everybody can understand….then don’t speak at all.
what do you mean by “rave” spots?
Hit on the “one Message” that follows the Scared Monkeys Evening Update article (the lead article at the home page).
Yes, could be called junky. It’s the #2.
Homo, you want to hear Lucy and I talk don’t you?
The gods of Babylon have orchested the refrain for the Arawak choir
The Dutch are telling the Aurbans how to handle this…
the music which holds the answers lies within the maze
They have already told you what happened, but they retracted it “confession”.
the cowboys will smile sweetly as the chorus sings
The people will confess, publicly?
backs turned to the maze
no one will listen to the arubans and dutch anymore…
never hearing a single note
not listening…
from the poison song
lies…
But, as I said before.
Yliana:
Raves as in XTC parties.
The night that Natalee’s mom went to the VDS’s home (after 1st arriving in Aruba) PVDS said his son was out playing in a Poker Tournament…..this was 1:00a.m. in the morning….but, the night before he had to sneak out???
I have some questions……How many days did this tournament last? Where was this tournament being held? Does the police have all the names of the people that were in this tournament?
I know they are having a big poker tournament in Aruba in Sept. or Oct. so this tournament must be something just for the local islanders.
I have also read on several sites where people that do play poker in the casinos tell everyone to watch out for the locals because they will take all your money if you are not careful. What the locals do is have several that are in cahoots together (other family members and/or friends) and pretend that they are playing for themselves but the fact of the matter is they work together as a team….and then split the money up between themselves because it doesn’t matter which one wins or loses….they just keep raising the stakes until you are broke!
so what did the dogs find??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
I don’t think this will progress much tonight. Pleasant dreams to those that decide to go to bed.
Checkme, I’ll check on you tomorrow darling.
Subdude, dream with the Mamitas, Mamasotas and Mamotas. And of course, with the redheads.
All the Arawaks know the Maze which plays the poison songs
Cowboys smiling? Only if they find Natalee I would think.
OK mi amor, que duermes bien i suenes con las angelitas
rave doesn’t always mean xtc parties… it is a good source, but not always.
more about the eletronic music IMO.
Subdude: well, there is definitely C&C, Club Havana (when it’s open), Cafe Bahia – those 3 are the most known as far as I’ve heard.
The night that Natalee’s mom went to the VDS’s home (after 1st arriving in Aruba) PVDS said his son was out playing in a Poker Tournament…..this was 1:00a.m. in the morning….but, the night before he had to sneak out???
Bones and nachos, Lucy. Give Lil Ricky besos for me:)
Well, you said many mazes before, now you mention that the locals know the specific rave which is the bad one (poison songs).
Help on the peace pipe please?
I have some questions……How many days did this tournament last? Where was this tournament being held? Does the police have all the names of the people that were in this tournament?
I know they are having a big poker tournament in Aruba in Sept. or Oct. so this tournament must be something just for the local islanders.
How those innocent young flies enter the trap with honey laden notes
I have also read on several sites where people that do play poker in the casinos tell everyone to watch out for the locals because they will take all your money if you are not careful. What the locals do is have several that are in cahoots together (other family members and/or friends) and pretend that they are playing for themselves but the fact of the matter is they work together as a team….and then split the money up between themselves because it doesn’t matter which one wins or loses….they just keep raising the stakes until you are broke!
And of course you have what we call the mobile pharmacies (aka drug dealers)
purple monkey dishwasher…
see i can do it too…
LMAO. j/k.
I’m off to my board. night all.
The music which holds the answers lies within the maze? What is the music? Is he talking about actual music?
Yliana:
Shango insists on “Maze”. Any of those places like a maze? Twisting hallways, etc…
What’s the music connection. Honey laden notes?
I have also read on several sites where people that do play poker in the casinos tell everyone to watch out for the locals because they will take all your money if you are not careful.
Shango: Does one hear those “notes” or spend them?
What the locals do is have several that are in cahoots together (other family members and/or friends) and pretend that they are playing for themselves but the fact of the matter is they work together as a team….and then split the money up between themselves because it doesn’t matter which one wins or loses….they just keep raising the stakes until you are broke!
Subdude: no places like a maze. Havana does have quite a few separate areas though, but nothing like a maze
He’s talking about electronic music clubs, they are a good spot to score xtc, ghb, kat, etc… get high and dance. a rave.
again, night
Yliana,
Can you name some places immediately associated with music and young people on the island other than the bars?
there are a couple of government buildings that are like mazes
Shango must leave to feed the messengers
The gods are talking
Thanks Scott, know what a rave is, I think it’s a double meaning though, as it all is.
BigPappy: Good question. Maze, maze . . . Electronic music clubs . . . maze . . .
Yliana: Anything come to mind? All Arubans, anything flash?
Thanks Shango, do what you can to help us end this for her family and her!
hmmm could be anything then.
anyrate, seriously this time. night.
Night, Scott. Dream on it.
pappy – we don’t have many places like that – kids usually hang out on the streets or in clubs because there are no other places to hang out. Oh, I forgot a big one – Moomba beach – (near Holliday Inn) – oooh a big one!
Follow the notes
to the poison house
where the children of the babylonians
and the arawak nation
meet, under cover of delusion.
In the maze
the lions which play
shall be found.
The gamblers also took note.
Tell the cowboys!
Yliana: Why a big one?
Yliana:
Is there a building (gov’t?) where the Dutch and Arubans meet? Parliament, something like that?
If a rave party was being held at a house in Aruba…more than likely it would have to be somewhere private (with no other houses close by) beings there is usually a lot of people coming and going and the music would probably be loud.
Subdude – Moomba beach is near the beach under the dark skies and it’s known that bartenders serve more than drinks. Especially when it’s full moon party night
If you guys knew so much, how come you were not talking about this drug party theory last week-last week’s discussion revolved around some bad guys kidnapping her and trafficking her to Columbia or elsewhere. Do you think now that she was perhaps raped and killed at this drug party that you reference and her body moved to Columbia or SA? Again, you guys either really get off to fantasizing about such theories (which is fine b/c everyone is entitled to their preferred sort of fetishes), but real human life is at stake here. If anyone does have real information, that should be tipped to the authorities b/c that’s the only right thing to you, regardless of how scared you may be. What if this happened to your daugher. No excuses – end of discussion. Although the media spotlight will end, the look on the Holloways’ faces’ tonight suggest anger, desperation but sheer commitment. They will hunt down whoever they THINK did this and take the law into their own hands, no matter what it takes or what that means. Yliana – that is what Alabama justice is — yes, maybe the innocent will be sacrifised, but that’s the risk the “innocent” and others w/ info take by not revealing the truth.
Okay, now I’m totally goosebumped and can’t sleep. Was looking for rave party info in Aruba and stumbled across this. It doesn’t give out who posted it but maybe the site owners can find out if we ask them?:
http://www.amiright.com/parody/60s/buffalospringfield9.shtml
“For What It’s Worth” Based on the performance by Buffalo Springfield
“For What It’s Worth In Aruba” Parody by Malcolm Higgins
who would have known I might return from the fishing trip with one that skirts the line of good taste huh?.. I mean who woulda thunk?
there’s something happened down there
dna, and some blood and some hair
there’s a man, who now wants to confess
sayin he is under duress
I think it’s time to stop searchin, she’ll be found,
just get him to show that mound
allegations being drawn,
they ain’t right, no they are wrong
news peaople speaking their minds
CNN and Fox are so unkind
I think it’s time to stop searchin, she’ll be found,
just get him to show that mound
crime detection can’t be beat
a thousand searchers in the heat
poking shrubs, and turning up stones
is she here or will we find bones?
I think it’s time to stop searchin, she’ll be found,
just get him to show that mound
now reflections run so deep
graduation, perpetual sleep
it starts when you party and rave
meet the wrong guys, you’ll find your grave
I think it’s time to stop searchin, she’ll be found,
just get him to show that mound
I think it’s time to stop searchin, she’ll be found,
just get him to show that mound
I think it’s time to stop searchin, she’ll be found,
just get him to show that mound
Not all lions leave their den
Oh, it does say someone named Malcolm Higgins – probably not a real name.
Most of the cafes are Dutch owned. The Paddock and the Black Hog Saloon are two wild places where the Dutch frequent – not much of a young crowd though. Clubs in hotels come to mind too
Damn Shango, ya know, I really want to help.
Follow the music to the house where the arubans and ??? meet under cover of darkness. In that place the killers are, the other boys know, tell the EQSearch team/Americans?
I have told.
That which is hidden shan’t be found in the light
There are many ‘country’ houses where parties are held. And these houses are not really mazes but have different rooms where things can happen
Big Pappy: Good man. What’s the risk, a little egg on the face? Well worth the chance of helping.
Babylonians are Dutch because Dutch legal system in Aruba, I beleive.
Arawaks are Arubans. Children of Babylonians could be Dutch kids meeting with Arubans “under cover of delusion” — thinking they are not noticed. I am struggling — just spit balling.
Yliana: Any thoughts?
Does Lorenzo really have a grafitti-painted house, and if so, is the grafitti anyway maze-like?
Big Pappy: Shango may have been alluding to our own silken-tongued CheckMe who I’m gonna tell Ally on. ha!
I have been reading these entries for awhile — just to help what Shango was saying at 11:29 —
-The locals are dragging the cowboys away from the place where Natalee is, hence the smoke signals (smoke and mirrors).
-Is the Maze a certain cave with many corridors and paths within it that the cowboys are ignoring and turning away from?
-music the chorus is singing — what the locals are trying to tell the cowboys, they are dismissing.
-the reason Shango and others speak in code is to protect themselves. They have a dirty hand(s) in their government – who would probably give them holy heck for coming forward. This is what they us for bloggin for. They want us to help with Natalee.
But I seriously doubt there would have been a party on a school night in a country house. It was afterall Tuesday!
http://www.assmotion.com/photos.htm Here is a website that is in regards to what seems to be underground afterparties or rave parties.
Also, on a completely separate note, who is Cheremy Croes? He is or was also a DJ for a hotel. Is this aka Steve G Croes, someone else, someone related to him?
The maze is hidden, but it is IN the poison house?
Yliana and Subdude have both opened windows which look into the heart of babylon
do not stray from your paths
you hold the key in hand
Sub, I’ve got nothing to hide, hope it helps.
subdude, Arawaks are definitely Arubans. School would be another place where Dutch kids and Arubans meet.
Maze? Mine-shaft or cave complex?
Poison house? A “condemned” building with the entrance to it?
The threadsurfers are opening the door to babylon
be careful of the lions
DirtyHand does not have them tamed
but he can enter the den
tell the cowboys
Does th HI have a bar?
We don’t have mines in Aruba – Caves, we’ve got quite a few – although a bit off the beaten path – quite the maze they are though. Hmmm I think we’re on to something here!
The only thing is that people don’t meet there with frequency.
Elaina:
Heard a very large % of Arubans are “Croes.” So could be no relative.
Elaina and everyone: The AssMotion website is indeed about Raves. I checked the links and one of the links is “Tickle”. Joran, the Kalpoes and Croes, I believe, all had Tickle posts, or whatever you call them. Somehow I think this is a connection to the Rave scene and XTC, etc…
Shango: Should the cowboys take a ride into the country for the Maze?
Yliana: Hang in there with me, please.
Croes is to Aruba as Smith is to the US
A cave is like a den
Poison House? A building abandoned or condemned, old, lots of rooms maybe, you would not find it in the day, out in the country, but maybe at night by the lights it gives off or the music?
blogs log IP’s anyone that knows can gain access to them… talking in code doesnt protect you from being discovered. Its the digital and highly traceable age.
Poison house — crack house.
Marianne “Croes” (prosecutor’s spokesman) today said that the judge must have *NEW* evidence each time jail time is extended. So there have been …. what… three extensions so far? So I guess there is new evidence each time. And a new extension is due to start on Monday… can’t wait to find out if yet new evidence will extend the jail terms one more time?
Poison house = a crack hose
AnnaMaria: that is wild!
Caves have bats (poisonous house?) Caves were lived in by the Arawaks back in the day. You definitely need a flashlight to walk through. They are out there – in the “off road” areas. No music though – just the music of the ocean-wind
The police has searched all the crack houses already – twice!
Shango could it be in the church where there is worship, singing choirs, where there is confession, their backs are facing the direction in which the maze is.
9lives: Crack house sounds right. Dens of inequity. More than one good girl has been “turned out”, given up the forbidden fruit, etc. . . for crack. Lions are the dealers. Police chief would know them well, would have visited the dens but would not have the lions tamed.
Tickle.jvds friends are not shown. I have a tomcat here that has been testing my spelling and c/p abilities. Whoever you are, thank you.
Yliana: The police have searched the crack houses, but not the cowboys.
So how do we tell them to specifically check the local crackhouses?
if the den theory is correct then NH must still be alive but drugged
Hey Shango —- when you say they rolled in – did they actually roll in to say the hole or entrance of the “den” is so small and hard to find they literally had to “roll” in?
Yliana
Or could maze really mean maize, a crop grown there and the den the burial caves of Canshito
Bren, interesting.
Who are the cowboys again?
If the police have already searched these “so called crack houses” then why weren’t they shut down also in the process beings whomever is running them are breaking the law?
There could be slave huts from history’s past around . They are small white huts ~ 6′x’4′
Equusearch Team – Cowboys
I thought.
Maize has not been grown here since forever. At least not that I’m aware of. I should check it out to be sure.
BigPappy:
I think we need more specifics to have a chance that they believe us.
Shango: Do not be capricious with your power of thunder and lightning.
shango, help!
Chimes – Aruba did not have slaves; you can find these huts in Curacao or Bonaire – not Aruba
Cowboys = Texas Equusearch Team … and ya’ know what they say about Texas!
Yliana: We were close to the heart of Babylon when we were discussing the bars, the government buildings or the country houses as the Maze. Any more thoughts?
Blazin – crack houses double for sleeping places for drug addicts. If they are shut down, drug addicts would have to sleep on the streets.
The threadsurfers want to help more!
Shango only speaks once and represents trial by fire.
The spirit of Shango rises to confront and meet great challenges.
Sango is the symbol of courage.
The Truth Can Hurt! Like Fire!
Out in the country I think sub, house in the country hiding something else, only visible at night?
A 17 year old could not possibly pull this off by himself. There must be someone on a higher level who is corrupt and either turned the other way or actually had a hand in helping to get rid of the body.
Is cremation done on this island???
Yliana:
Shango mentioned we had opened windows to the heart of Babylon just after our exchange regarding countryhouses. Dutch kids and Arubans meeting out in the country thinking no one noticed. Country house of the dealers which the police chief has been in.
Shango?
Music was important to mention, so I just don’t think it’s some crackhouse. If the lions are smart, they would take prey to someplace better than a crackhouse. I’m still thinking some type of abandoned/condemned/posted type of property building.
Well I don’t know how some of this shit gets started but Natalee did NOT have a boyfriend the first 3 days she was there. That is a total lie. Second it was Her cousin who got into a fight with with Joran not this supposed b/f of three days.
Shango I hope your having fun with your games at the expense of someones life. I think your sick and twisted.
Schools are mazes, The Government building is also a maze; Parliament not so much.
Old building of any type Yliana, anything that “big kids” could make into a “big fort” where they could play “big games” at night with noone knowing? Like a secret treehouse for adults?
Thank you Yliana … I used to host dive trips to Bonaire and on one tour in paticular we went on a tour. We went to a salt mine and a slave hut sanctuary. I do have a photo. ‘Just accumulating the ABC islands, and thinking when the Euros arrived they eventually made the natieves subordinate to them
Yliana, you ever see rave flyers?
See Subdude / Iliana 12:34
Country House where kids party. Now, whose house.
Country house, where dutch and aruban kids meet at night. Yup.
I can’t think anymore! I will sleep on it – I gotta get to bed too if I’ll have a chance at getting to work tomorrow on time
BTW: Arubans police have focused squarely on the beach areas and areas near the VDS home. Lots of assumptions of water involved. The country house would certainly be entirely in the other direction and to my knowledge has not been even considered yet.
Totally consistent with what Shango is saying about cowboys being lead in entirely different direction.
Can’t ask the police
Goodnight subdude
Could this be a house that would have been on the way to the lighthouse?
Drug dealers country house, or frequented by dealers. Police now which house, sure as sh** just like police in any town know the problem areas.
Goodnight pappy, blazin, chimes
Night, Iliana. You’re good. Pray.
Goodnight
Thanks Yliana, I’m going soon as well.
Perhaps Fort Zoutman area?
Shango,
Do you know all of this because you were at the rave and witnessed what happened to Natalee or did someone else at the rave witness what happened and confide in you? Either way you need to report this to the appropriate authorities. If your story happens to be true and you knew it all along, you could be facing serious criminal charges. Otherwise, I think it is safe to assume that you are playing some kind of sick game and leading all readers on a wild goose chase. If the latter is true, I think your IP should be blocked.
Just one more thing: the way to the lighthouse has lots of lived-in houses, And I have seen rave flyers (but disguised as normal parties)
Ok – now I’m going! Goodnight ALL
Guys, truthfully, I have a sick feeling in my stomach on this.
Justin T: Certainly don’t mean to offend. I think the people on this site at this hour truly care and want to help. Thanks for clearing up the b/f thing about 1st three days. I did not mean to cast a bad light on NH. Just exploring info.
Does anyone know exactly where the VDS’s live?
Yliana:
Are those “country houses”?
This is by far the most intelligent blog on the subject. The mythical conjectures of Shango add a nice flair. But it is hard to follow; too many postings. I wish someone would put the key contributions in the form of an essay. It could compete with Marquez’s “Chronicle of a death foretold”.
Blazin:
Montana. Noord. Aruba.
When Shango was referring to “Not all lions leave there den”. Refering to someone lives there.
Also in reference to the notes (music) people in the streets are talking about this place — it’s hip, it’s cool, blah, blah, blah. Actually what awaits is nothing but dilusion of fun and games, yet the lion awatis to pounce in the den.
Blazin, in Noord … northern part? Jvsd supposedly walked 40 minutes to get home.
subdude,
I am just fed up with the riddles and the slander. IE mary was not a virgin etc, etc. This guy does not know shit about Natalee. If he knows something about what happened to her then he needs to stop the games and tell people that can do something about it.
Jet, I will be super surpised if he responds to you. Most likely he will ignore your statements and keep talking in riddle…as if to protect identity. If everyone would think about it, the identify comes from the IP address and can be located regardless of what AKA name used and what riddles are spoken. Anyway, I think some people are intrigued by trying to figure out the riddles. I personally am annoyed, but stick around anyway, just in case someone says somethink that I can understand and something that may give me the latest info on NH.
Arawak = surnamese
Bifrons = demon over dead; moving the dead
Lugubrious = feigned mourning
Shango = warrior king
Babalu = father Lord of the world; diseases (addictions?)
Shiva = god of destruction and regeneration
Oxum = beauty used to increase wealth
Australopithecus = ancient African (check your spelling next time)
Thanks Subdude & Chimes
Does the house have party lights strung up around it, glowing at night?
Ari:
The working theory is that Joran accompanied NH to a rave in at a country house frequented by Dutch kids, Arubans and either owned or frequented by drug dealers. NH took XTC and the dealers began to have their way with her. Joran was upset and left. May have returned.
The Aruban police know all of this, having been told by a group of kids who were gambling in the same casino as the Alabama kids and saw NH later that night at the rave. Police chief’s hands are dirty and he is intentionally leading the Texas search team away from this line of search and keeping it focused on other places.
or is the house the light house — only seen at night.
Ragalee,
I am just frustrated that he is most likely wasting all of our time with these stupid riddles. If so, he needs to get a life. I come here to find out the lastest “facts” about the case, not to play games.
I know this is a far fetched question but I am just throwing everything out there. Is trash ever taking off the island to other locations? If so, what day or days of the week?
Actually, BlazinSkies, that is the most intelligent thought I’ve read on this entire page.
For the doubters: You do not need to see a grain of sand in your eye to know it is there
Does the island have a crematory? She may have been cremated.
Jet, this has been going on for days with him and 2 or 3 others. Everyone else seems to like it and keep feeding the concept by constant reponses and begging for more info. Again, whether the info is real or not, I just wish everyone would wise up and realize the riddles are not protecting anyone, they are all part of the “fun” for some. Why can’t we just call it that (fun) instead of acting like “it is the only way to give info to bloggers ’cause I am so loyal, but I have to protect myself / my job at the same time” WHATEVER. Just give me the info!
Jetline:
What if Shango is “transmitting” from a public computer. Trace the IP address to a computer that isn’t associated with someone’s home or office. I am not savvy with all of this, but I am sure there are untraceable IP addresses, like untraceable phones, etc… Then her/his concern is the disclosure of his identity through the posted information.
JustinT: I understand you, as much as I can. I really, really think I speak for the majority of those online that we just want to help. We are even willing to stay up late and possible embarass ourselves on a wild goose chase to help. Joran and friends are deathly afraid of something or someone and that fear is somehow linked to Natalee’s disappearance. Otherwise, why the BS story about dropping her at HI, no, I mean the Marriott beach??
Hang in there, man.
I don’t need to smell a toilet to know if it is full of crap either.
Shango,
if you know so much then do the right thing and go to the people who can do something about it. . Your playing a game with people’s emotions and again I say you don’t know anything about Natalee or what she was like.
Shango, let me be clear, I am not doubting the information nor trying to be disrespectful, I am doubting the method of delivery and suggesting that is is not necessary but simply an added bonus to those who enjoy this sort of thing. Hope that makes sense.
Well, if he is posting from a public computer then why doesn’t he just send it to the FBI? He won’t disclose his identity that way either.
Shango: I’ll take the first risk. Call me from a public phone @ (954) 614-9453. Anytime tonight or tomorrow. NO BS.
Ari: I responded with a synopsis, but the comment is under moderation.
If Shango was at a “Public” computer like an Internet cafe’…..it would appear that he would be to scared to be typing just anything because anyone could walk by and see what is on the screen? Wouldn’t a public place have camera’s maybe? Not sure.
Chimes, there are still friends of JVDS with his pictures on their profile. Tomorrow I will repost the link. He has one friend named Jaime that has a few pics of him. Drunk of course. Satish, Deepak and his brother Valentjin still have profiles. I know that Croes is a common name, but this one Cheremy is a dj, he would have been around 24 in 2003 when he first posted his profile and that puts him at around 26 now. There is not a pic on this profile. Just wondering if SG Croes may go by an alias. Something is not right about SG Croes. There is something off and ugly about him. Must go for now.
Subdude,
It’s the games and all the little riddles. This isn’t colombo and there are people very close to this situation who watch read and sometimes post here. If the guy knows what he is saying then he can call the FBI and do it without idenitfing himself. I’ll be glad to give him the number
jetline: Good point.
Sub, if the computer is not traceable as you suggested in you example above, then that further illustrates the point that riddles and code are not necessary. Just say the information in normal words and we can take it from there. Do you not see what we are trying to say? I am just wondering if our point is coming accross to anyone…whether you agree or disagree…
To those whome we know, it’s the only way they can communicate with us.
I think everyone should throw everything they feel like throwing out, out! Here, and everywhere. The term is called “spinning,” where more than one person is letting the so-called pressure of their accumulative thoughts be released.
Better yet, call the FBI from a public phone late at night when all of the lions, tigers, and bears are not around and we can be done with this nonsense.
I agree jetline…..and lets not forget the lambs, goats & virgins
The Simian has a handicap of 12.
Shango: What say? Ragalee, Justin and all, I get your point.
If I am Shango, I am not disclosing my ID to anyone under any circumstances. In her/his defense, FBI may have been called. We really don’t know. FBI has no jurisdiction, as we know, but, again I see your point.
FBI Tip Line at 1-877-628-2533
Shango could still remain anonymous to everyone except for the FBI & collect the $150,000 reward.
Sorry, I am not a regular, but I’m just trying to understand what the “notes” are refering to Shango’s earlier post. Honey laden notes…..money?
Good point BlazinSkies.
Who the hell knows what any of his posts mean. Your guess is as good as ours. Get out your secret decoder ring…fast!!!
Are the golf courses in the country?
I believe the reward is only for information leading to her return alive. Shango seems to be suggesting that is not the case.
Sub, you are correct, reward is for her safe return….
Dead or Alive….why wouldn’t they want to help…..I am sure there is some reward money in it either way.
Because they don’t give out rewards for the best fictional short story. He would have to post this story at a different site to recieve that money.
The Simian says that The Simian only reports developments ahead of time. The Simian thinks was is going on is shameless. Playing with feelings.
Th Simian’s umbilical is buried close to the heart of the island. NOBODY EVER try to put us down. The Simian hates what he has been reading.
All things must pass.
I think Shango is trying to help in the only way that she/he feels comfortable. Isn’t that enough. Sure, we could all be being taken for a ride, but I, for one, refuse to feel like a fool for caring. I feel like this is all I can do, and if it means chasing my tail until the Holloways resolve this or resign themselves, then so be it. My feelings only.
Shango: Another clue, please.
Everyone else, please do not take this as a sign of disrespect.
So Shango is schizophrenic and his other personality is Simian. That is priceless you sick freak.
Not all of the reward money is from the family. The Aruban government and local tourism organizations have offered a $20,000 reward for information leading to Holloway’s rescue….it didn’t say anything about her being brought back dead or alive.
Find the music
Only David left the den alive
Here we go again…..
Sub, none taken, believe as you wish, just know you are feeding the MONKEY
Jet, you are funny. Toilet full of crap is still my fav….
Shouldn’t Shango be giving his so called “Clues” to someone that can really help? They could write a letter to the FBI or somebody for God’s sake that could do something about it.
I have been watching this post for a few days now. This Shango does not seem to waver in his basic themes, but it seems like he is detatched.
I think he is a remote viewer. Not connected, but with a special eye.
Psychics do exist you know
A lot of what has been said makes a lot of sense. And if if this people are speaking in riddles, they are still providinf info to the masses.
just a thought
Elaina, I went through many pics of friends of jvds and others to harness any kind of visual behaviour. Many questions aroused my mind from various gestures, First conclusion is that JVDS is a very tall bcoupled with a strong grip by the looks of his hands. His innocent facial expressions does not match with the contour of his body.
To me, it’s like putting the face of an innocent teen on the body of an angry body. If no one understands, I understand.
I have a piece of sand in my eye, I can feel it….so I am now going to go to a mirror and wash it out.
Night all….
Is the music the only apparent “door” to the maze? Literal music or a person? DJ?
lol Ragalee…..night
Thank you Ragalee. Which reminds me that we had another Stephen King wannabe on the site last night and I believe that he was called Shock the Monkey. So this imbecile has at least 3 personalities.
The Simian is getting out. Knows Shango, knows Shock me, knows Checkme. Do not underestimate the power of the ping.
Shango is a dumb copycat. Maybe the Simian should place a call on you. Get you 8 days with a hole to take a dump in. Complementary peanut butter on stale bread for you, you fool.
The Simian is angry. Over and out.
JET….Yep, those are the three I was talking about in my earlier post. Shock went so far as to make blunt statements about what was to happen in the morning, when it did not happen, I did not see him for 2 days… I guess he reappeared last night????
To the Simian, Bon Bini!
Yeah…something was suppose to happen today….and if it did not happen then the gates to Eden would forever be closed…..lol
I don’t have time for this. I am going to bed. Goodnight all. Shock/Simian/Shango – good luck with your writing career. I would say that you are going to be a best-seller with all of the intrigued readers.
G’night all.
goodnight Jet…make sure you don’t have any sand in your eyes…lol
Make sure you don’t wash the sand out with salt.
The Simian is disapointed. The Simian repeats himself seldom, but like to say the he only reports ahead of time. The clues were solely to avoid implicating sources. Never to hurt the feeling of the readers.
Seeing how this has been used to foul, the Simian will again say that he will retire.
Sim, do and feel what you must do.
The simian is wrong
The simian said the Hague was coming
The simian is an austrolopithecus
Why is is that we can make out cryptic clues….but, the people of Aruba can not? hmmmmmmm.
If there are people here from Aruba….wouldn’t they also see where we non-Arubians are breaking the cryptic clues and would know what is really being said?
someone wrote earlier the simeon was an austrolopithecus, which is an early man, not a monkey.
But simian. more of the stuff this shango says seems more real than your predictions.
Your predictions about the hague two days ago were wrong.
u were also wrong about the searchers finding natalee
also that simeon never typed anything when he was upset. i believe that is a simeon poser
what has simeon said that came out true?
Nothing…..and if they do so happen to say something that does come true…then more than likely it will be a well educated guess that any of us could make.
Fuck the poetry. The Simian is a frenchman. Blue blood if you should know.
I say screw all the sooth-saying crap…..A real psychic would not waste their time at a place like this.
Usually, The Sim, is more, subliminal in his language. ……… Blazin’, many of us have adapted to our new language and accept. My belief, also, is that, there are many ghosts riders amongst the postings. We have unfoldede a zillion theories to those who may be able to unriddle the sleuth.
The Simian doesn’t make predictions. Only gives the group information ahead of time. Predictions are for fools. This is the Simian.
No me hagan mofa. Estoy molesto por las bobedades de Shango y Shock y Checkme. Se creen, pero no son.
J’aime mieux passer les temps avec un femme comme vous Simian
Simian tu no hablo nada de veridad todavia, ‘ta siempre la misma vaina con usted cabron?
Could the den be Carlos and Charlie’s (after hours), police don’t go around there after they close.
You guys can believe whatever you wish…that is your choice. These theories could have been thought of without the help of cryptic messages. I have read most of these theories at other boards without the help of people like Shango & Sim.
?
This Simian is not the Simian. It is a Doppleganger.
Crypticism leads to tributaries of thought which would not usually leave the MainStream
Teletekst di 28 jun
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Aruba roept Nederland te hulp
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WILLEMSTAD Aruba vraagt Nederland het
eiland te verdedigen bij de Amerikaanse
autoriteiten.Minister van Justitie
Croes hoopt zo een tegenwicht te bieden
tegen "de spookverhalen" in Amerikaanse
media over de verdwijning van Natalee
Holloway.
Croes sprak gisteren op Curaà §ao met de
ministers Donner en Pechtold.Croes zei
bang te zijn voor de gevolgen voor het
toerisme voor Aruba.Het eiland wordt
volgens Croes afgeschilderd als gok- en
drugsparadijs en de geloofwaardigheid
van het rechtssysteem is in het geding.
Donner heeft toegezegd de kwestie aan
te kaarten bij Buitenlandse Zaken.
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Translation:
Aruba calls for Dutch aid
WILLEMSTAD(Curaà §ao,SvL) Aruba is requesting
The Netherlands to defend the island towards the
American authorities. Minister of Justice Croes
hopes to offer (some) counterpoise against
"e;the ghost stories &unqoute; in American
media over the dissapearance Natalee Holloway.
Croes had a conversation yesterday at Curaà §ao
with Minister (of Justice in Holland, SvL) Donner en
Pechtold (Minister of “Kingdom relations”, SvL).
Croes said he was afraid of the consequences for
tourism regarding Aruba. The island is, according
to Croes being portrayed as a gamble and drug paradise
and the credibility of the legal system is at stake.
Donner has promised to deliberate the matter with
(the Ministry of) foreign affairs (Minister Bot, Svl).
Cabron seras tu, pendejo. Yo trato de pasar la informacion antes de tiempo, pero Uds. no entienden y creen que todo se soluciona por ser gringo. No hago predicciones y tampoco nunca dije que sabà a que paso esa noche.
Je ne compris pas quesque tu dire. Que je suis une femme? La vie n’est pas comment tu pense.
Babylon is Falling
The Arawak teepees will be crushed
will they sacrifice the Lamb or the Lion
to make the cowboys smile
Shango Says:
June 28th, 2005 at 2:27 am
Crypticism leads to tributaries of thought which would not usually leave the MainStream
Tht would be tributaries of thought from your own brain….right?
Shango, you have been pinged. No pone bo mes na lià ±a. E cosnan cu bo a papia awe por haci’bo dolor maà ±an. Cera bo boca y no papia di loke bo no sa. Bai drumi, paso ta laat.
Hopi hende ta lesa loke bo ta skibi. Nan lanta na porta di bo cas maà ±an, no spanta.
will they sacrifice the Lamb or the Lion
Who cares if its a Lamb, Lion, Gorilla, Anteater….etc….just as long as they get the right animal…..I mean person….duh.
Be nice, boys! All roads lead toRome.
I want to do something more than write my speculation. I am willing to pay for the psychic that finds missing people. Someone mentioned her in a blog and said that she only does it if the family requests. I’m searching, but can’t find her name. Can someone add it in a blog. I’ll contact her, arrange payment and contact the family and say that if they want to try this avenue, I am willing to pay for it.
The Simian and authentic others speak the language of Idiom:
A speech form or an expression of a given language that is peculiar to itself grammatically or cannot be understood from the individual meanings of its elements, as in keep tabs on.
The arawaks must hunt the lions
in the place of darkness
house of secrets
Is this the lady that lives in Florida?
I want to do something more than write my speculation. I am willing to pay for the psychic that finds missing people. Someone mentioned her in a blog and said that she only does it if the family requests. I’m searching, but can’t find her name. Can someone add it in a blog. I’ll contact her, arrange payment and contact the family and say that if they want to try this avenue, I am willing to pay for it.
The Simian and authentic others speak the language of Idiom:
Did you mean to say Idiots? Sorry….like I said…its a free country….believe what you want…..I choose not to believe this crap.
I do believe there are real psychics out there…but, there are none here.
shango
Carlos and Charlies?
Mickie, I feel like I am a page of book and know what words formulate thoughts of disinction. I might be able to find the page, but you’ll have to do the work to find her.
Mickie, I feel like I am a page of book and know what words formulate thoughts of disinction. I might be able to find the page, but you’ll have to do the work to find her.
Shango finds it very humorous (and quite fitting) that a frenchman would assume the monniker of a Primate
I find it humorous that Shango speaks of himself in the 3rd person….lol
As opposed to? Crack a book some time…
The babylonian and the shivas did not build castles in the sand
they lost to the lions
dirty hand knows
the elder knows
and so do the arawaks
the cowboys are far from the house of babylon
the maze shall remain dark to all but the arawak nation and the elders
mickie? still here?
Shango, whenever you think you can get on the inside of the real Aruban society give me a sign, you probably were picking up the trash.
You have been pinged. Bai drumi! Ta laat caba.
Simian, hablas espaà ±ol muy bien, et franà §ais pas aussi bien
De verdad saben algo, o es solo jugando?
Shango….all you are doing is repeating yourself over & over……you are only substituting different words and phrases each time. Atleast give me something new to laugh at.
The Simian Doppleganger is upset because the arawak nation is hiding the truth from the cowboys
DirtyHand knows
Simian knows
The Simian stated for 2 days, the key would come from the hague the next day
Shango said no two times
Is Simian a DirtyHand too
Has the Simian played with the lions
in the houses of ill-repute and poison notes
where the innocent flies are lured?
Has the Simian, primate that he is, fed with the other animals?
Back ye fetid mongrel, as the 46th are you; delegate of the 7th level of inferno,
not birthed, but spewed from the dark chasm of a nightmare!
Yo solo trato de pasar informacià ³n antes de que se presente en las noticias. Primero, porque no se dicen las como se deben en Fox News o en CNN.
Sinembargo me encuentro ahora con un idiota que se cree hacer predicciones de cosas que no sabe. Alavez, claramente yo tampoco por no haber estado alli. Una vez mas yo solo paso informacion que tengo de gente que estan conectados en la sociedad Arubana.
Estoy muy disgustado hoy de leer como esta idiota que se hace llamar Shango esta jugando con los sentimientos de estos gringos y alavez de oà r a Nancy Grace hablar de situaciones que ella ni siquiera entiende.
Shango….If Simian is a DirtyHand too…..then why would he be upset if the arawak nation is hiding the truth from the cowboys…..looks like to me he would be happy???
Shango Says:
June 28th, 2005 at 12:23 am
“Follow the notes
to the poison house
where the children of the babylonians
and the arawak nation
meet, under cover of delusion.
In the maze
the lions which play
shall be found.
The gamblers also took note.
Tell the cowboys!”
The gamblers took note?
A.) They lost and presented Mary as payment?
B.) Or maybe some other MB students found out about this place as well? Maybe some of the boys were invtied or went there and are now to ashamed to tell?
Is Shango real or full of it? I just don’t know. The missing Diaro reporter is suspicious.
to the orig, Sim Shang Aenim
i hope your land get its justice and we get ours.
your msgs weren’t that hard to read.
and to the fakes, get a life
Natalee needs to be found whatever the cost,
and the cost to the american people is minimal.
Our love for our own thrives within our arroganece, deal with it.
we’re americans, yankees, rebels, and leaders…
Natalee needs to came home…
Babalà º 12:30
Information the Simian left for 2 days was incorrect
His lordship brought nothing from the Hague
the simian listens to whisperings of the arawak tongue foolishly thinking he is an insider.
mickie, please trust me. as I take a blog risk, please write me @ chimeslullaby@msn.com and I will guide you to a source who has worked with Scotland Yard. Her energy is at a very,very high level. Your choice if you want it to be. I will write an e-mail about a pending search.
damn typos… grr
1ro: gracias, si efectivamente recibes y transmites info antes the que llegue a las noticias.
2do: puede hacer toda las predicciones que quiera, pero la gente inteligente que cree en facts y no misticismo, no le pone mucha atencion (aunque entretiene)
3ro: Nancy Grace es una gringa histerica, no le hagas caso. La mayoria de la gente aca escucha fox.
Ultimamente, sigue contribuyendo…la gente que te ha leido desde un principio te tiene confianza y aprecian lo que haces : )
Good night everyone!
Shango cannot understand PAPIAMENTO, otheriwse he would have already taken notice that he has been pinged.
If you really know more, you should spent the 8 days in jail eating peanut butter on stale bread with some cold tea. Just like Steve Croes.
I agree Simian
One more thing…I’ve been following the Shango saga for the past couple of days, and…I think Shango is the one who may be leading us astray. For those who think differently, take it all with a grain of salt…you may find yourself disappointed trying to decipher codes to non-existent people and places.
Why would anybody even want to talk to someone like Shango…..someone that is withholding information that could be valuable to the investigation. I would not want to associate myself with someone who in my book is as low as “Dirtyhand” * the “Lions”…lol.
if Croes is innocnet. at the minimun, Steve Croes went too far for a friend Sim.
Why? we don’t know. but it wasn’t simple matter, this is far too huge.
he did make a comment “he knows who his friends are now…”
I just don’t see SC as the stupid little innocent one in this group by far,
he’s sharp as a tack when need be… its all worng
or we could just put Croes in a cell with Jr and see who walks?
roman style justice…
Goodnight everyone……I will let you all get back to enjoying Shango’s cryptic bullcrap.
….Last, it continues contributing… the people who have lied to you from a principle has confidence to you and appreciate what beams. Listen to what Nancy Gray has to say on Fox.
if indeed you receive and you transmit info before the that arrives at the news, 2) : she can make all the predictions that she wants, but the intelligent people who believe in facts and nonmisticismo, do not put much attention to him (although she entertains.) Papiamento 101.
what does it mean to be pinged? Also, Shango has offered the only hope we have to finding Natalee or solving this mystery…if drug dealers were involved she (or her body) could be in the middle of the ocean or SA by now. I think he talks in code because he was there…possibly involved and if he was involved…doesn’t want to let this story die. No offense Shango…just a theory but most people who knowingly commit crimes like to lead people to them only to play the game out a little longer…plus all the wierd arrest…set frees…etc. highly indicates that there is something being hidden within the gov. and I am sure outside or tourism drug trafficing is the 2nd (probably 1st) largest industry in Arubu. I think Elder, althought not DH, did have dirty hands…his career was in question and he was a big gambler…Elder (PVDS) was most likely involved in drug trafficing through the judicial system to make extra money…he did have an expensive habit and a family to support…JVDS takes NH to a party after he drugged her…something happened and he left…or prehaps it was a trade…his dad was in the casino the 1st night they met her…so maybe she was a trade for slavery or for sex so that he could pay off a debt…who knows…
what does it mean to be pinged? Also, Shango has offered the only hope we have to finding Natalee or solving this mystery…if drug dealers were involved she (or her body) could be in the middle of the ocean or SA by now. I think he talks in code because he was there…possibly involved and if he was involved…doesn’t want to let this story die. No offense Shango…just a theory but most people who knowingly commit crimes like to lead people to them only to play the game out a little longer…plus all the wierd arrest…set frees…etc. highly indicates that there is something being hidden within the gov. and I am sure outside or tourism drug trafficing is the 2nd (probably 1st) largest industry in Arubu. I think Elder, althought not DH, did have dirty hands…his career was in question and he was a big gambler…Elder (PVDS) was most likely involved in drug trafficing through the judicial system to make extra money…he did have an expensive habit and a family to support…JVDS takes NH to a party after he drugged her…something happened and he left…or prehaps it was a trade…his dad was in the casino the 1st night they met her…so maybe she was a trade for slavery or for sex so that he could pay off a debt…who knows…
Had to post this…notice the reference to lions in paragraph 2…maybe our girl is alive and just doing time in a brothel somehwere so Elder and DH could make some money…
Everything about her experience reminds me of Ms. Holloway’s situation – right down to the “young man with influential connections” and the calculated insinuation into her confidence. Then I read about Amy Bradley’s case and her reportedly being seen, following her disappearance, being held against her will in a brothel, and I got another shudder of recognition.
Please note, I am not pointing fingers at Grupo Anderson or “Carlo’s and Charlie’s”. It may simply, if anything, be that they provide a convenient venue for slavers to work. After all, lions and leopards hang around watering holes waiting for their prey, too. The difference is that zebras and gazelles are aware of this and teenagers on a spree are not.
My point is that there is something incredibly suspicious about the 3 men (including two with reportedly influential connections) who were last known to have been with Ms. Holloway being cleared, almost immediately, of suspicion, while 2 security guards, who really had no known association with her, are being held on suspicion of “capital kidnapping”, “conspiracy to commit murder” and “murder”, even while the authorities claim they have no evidence that Ms Holloway is dead. It’s even more suspicious that the 3 have reportedly been allowed to leave the island. It becomes yet more suspicious when you realize that they claim to have dropped Ms. Holloway off at her hotel between1:30 and 2:00 AM, yet, according to Ms. Holloway’s Uncle, the security cameras do not confirm that. It becomes even more suspicious when you realize that, initially, the authorities confirmed the Uncle’s position, but, tho’ he continues to adhere to that, the authorities are now saying (as of this morning and according to the news, whatever its reliability, which may be zero) that the reason they let these 3 go is because the security cameras did show her being dropped off at the hotel and heading over to the beach…
i have been reading these crazy n.h. files for far too long… now i wonder if shango means this: -”David came out of the lion’s den” i.e. n.h.’s real father’s name.
i read that she was ‘heavily insured’ by him to the price of $2 million. a lot of money for a teenager. or is this a normal thing for folks from their well-to-do background?
anyway i hope this is not the case, is it shango?
Shango,
I think I understand.
There is a house in the country used for illegal organized raves, drug use and GAMBLING. Someone high up in the police is well aware of this and receives payments for turning a blind eye. The elder Van de Sloot also is aware of this place, he is actually one of the people who is running it. It is run by organized crime.
Natalie went with Joran to this house when there was a rave. The organized crime members like the young blonde and fooled with joran, (or perhaps his father) and “won” natalie over a game of cards. I don’t know what happened next.
USA/FBI/Search parties are deliberatly being led away from this place. Locals also know about this place, but are afraid to talk. These organizers are BIG crooks, very dangerous to all!
I also want to add that the 7 levels inferno refers to the 7 levels of hell.
Secondly, this illegal drinking, drug taking, rave house is for the rich young people of the island. Those from wealthy families…
Ooops! Just my opinion. Shango can correct me if I am wrong.
Simian Says:
June 28th, 2005 at 2:01 am
The Simian is getting out. Knows Shango, knows Shock me, knows Checkme. Do not underestimate the power of the ping. Shango is a dumb copycat. Maybe the Simian should place a call on you. Get you 8 days with a hole to take a dump in. Complementary peanut butter on stale bread for you, you fool. The Simian is angry. Over and out.
See, this is kind of ridiculous. We’ve got folks who say they are on the inside or at least close enough to understand what is going, they are arguing back and forth and “calling each other out” The above seem to say that Simian can ping Shock/Check and they all know each other. Simian could make a call and get Shango taken in to jail?
What a joke folks, screw this, if you know something F**cking do something besides act like children as you fight over clue supremacy. Knowing something and doing nothing, or not ending something you could help to, serves only to build your ego folks.
Simian Says:
June 28th, 2005 at 2:01 am
The Simian is getting out. Knows Shango, knows Shock me, knows Checkme. Do not underestimate the power of the ping. Shango is a dumb copycat. Maybe the Simian should place a call on you. Get you 8 days with a hole to take a dump in. Complementary peanut butter on stale bread for you, you fool. The Simian is angry. Over and out.
See, this is kind of ridiculous. We’ve got folks who say they are on the inside or at least close enough to understand what is going, they are arguing back and forth and “calling each other out” The above seem to say that Simian can ping Shock/Check and they all know each other. Simian could make a call and get Shango taken in to jail?
What a joke folks, screw this, if you know something F**cking do something besides act like children as you fight over clue supremacy. Knowing something and doing nothing, or not ending something you could help to, serves only to build your ego folks.
Simian Says:
June 28th, 2005 at 2:01 am
The Simian is getting out. Knows Shango, knows Shock me, knows Checkme. Do not underestimate the power of the ping. Shango is a dumb copycat. Maybe the Simian should place a call on you. Get you 8 days with a hole to take a dump in. Complementary peanut butter on stale bread for you, you fool. The Simian is angry. Over and out.
See, this is kind of ridiculous. We’ve got folks who say they are on the inside or at least close enough to understand what is going, they are arguing back and forth and “calling each other out” The above seem to say that Simian can ping Shock/Check and they all know each other. Simian could make a call and get Shango taken in to jail?
What a joke folks, screw this, if you know something F**cking do something besides act like children as you fight over clue supremacy. Knowing something and doing nothing, or not ending something you could help to, serves only to build your ego folks.
I’ve been lurking forever and I think I found something from the clues. could be off base. Check it out. I’m not saying anything, because I know nothing, just googling and came across this.
http://www.bountyadventures.com/speciale_service.html
This boat does excurtions from Curcao. How does this fit in?
It’s nothing, I know. But just strange with the music and the girl and this link that got me there. What do you make of speciale service?
http://www.google.com/search?q=Aruba+Prostitution&hl=en&lr=&start=180&sa=N
prostitution is a hidden “keyword” under the blue color of the webpage
it is located under the picture of the wheel and next to a link
hmmm, interesting
Did anyone see interview Greta did with the fellow who is helping with the search in the quarry? He too, had a lost a child and authorities did not find her body until a year later. Anyway he commented something to the effect that yes, they may have hit something big and need to do more searching. This is the closest affirmation I have heard on news that they may indeed have found NH or perhaps someone else.
Wow! I see what you’re saying. That is weird!
another thing i noticed – there is no cached page. is that unusual?
when i use google, i sometimes use the cached page to find what i am looking for faster, because the word i put into google are highlighted. the cached page was blank.
Have been keeping an eye on this site lately, think that is rather strange
how many of you are buying into the “CHIMPS” and there way of incriptedion.
They no zero!!!!! So have your theories, and hope’s, if you want a geography test get a atlas. I especially loved the one the other day when one of the monkey’s said something to the fact that – I need to be careful
or i’ll lose my job, i’m being watched, have to leave now. Okay i’ll TRY to break that into real terms. First know nothing of the inner workings of the case and–I have to finish this lame report fast, and go get my boss lunch
or i’ll lose my job. That’s it do not go NANA’S over these clowns!!!!!!!!!!
Just on FOX: The Hallowway’s spiritual advisor revealed that the Polis Commissioner is Joran’s godfather!!!
Concerned, I think I’d heard that before.
I smell some sort of cover up…
Polis Commish is Joran’s Godfather..
PVDS taught the prime minister’s daughter.
That sounds suspicious to me.
Just wondering aloud……Has anybody checked this??
According to a Caribbean legend early adventurers in search of treasures knew of an island called “red gold” or Oro Ruba. In the mid-19th century, Aruba experienced a gold rush and small mines were built throughout the countryside. The abandoned mine at Bushiribana is still visible. Other nearby ruins are said to belong to a pirate’s castle dating back to 1499
Who was Lorenzo Van Rijn’s mother? Where is she?
Does Justice Minister Rudy Croes have any children?
New Girl;
I don’t know about Justice Minister Croes, but Prime Minister nelson Oduber does.
I just can’t buy that Natalee was “won” in a card game. Somebody has been watching too much TV. I would buy, and have even suspected at times, Natalee going with dutch boy somewhere and seeing too much. When somebody started getting nervous about Natalee letting the cat out of the bag about some facet or organized crime, they put a hit on her. If that is the case, someone would have been waiting for them at that area near the Marriott to boat her out to sea where she would never be found.
That also could explain why these guys aren’t talking. They fear the crime boss more than the authorities.
Ok, Shango seems like he/she is living in a PlayStation game! But, I’ll bite…maybe “maze” is the red light district.
Jacqueline, Mark, Moosetracks, move over to threat 1194. More active over there.
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