RSSBREAKING; NATALEE HOLLOWAY
From American in Aruba watching from the Marriott
- Apparently a fire truck has arrived to “suck” out the water that is standing in a sort to BIG puddle that is muddy……
- Also the dogs arrived where the pond is…
- They will pump the water form their and then take it back out into the ocean……
- They moved to the other side with the dogs….
- Please stay alert will be back with more info from 8th floor….
- Firetruck is at the site…
- People saying that they found something strange under a ‘trailer’, they don’t see anything that looks like a trailer there……
- The truck is unloading the pumps to suck out the water form the ponds….
- And theirs indication that “SOMETHING” has been found but they cant say what it is, don’t know what it is, it can be many things……
HARRY: we can see police have continued search in the other areas……- Were are pending whats going on the other side, where they found nothing………
- We can see firemen have unloaded everything, so the investigation and search continues, we are pending for more info from the colleagues on the “floor” we are currently on Marriott room 7***……
- Stay pending the search continues and this is what we have rite now…yes other info…….more info coming…..
- OTHER GUY: yesterday Harry you said when you arrived that you got a negative feeling and you said to please search well…do you get there feelings because for you to say that was really weirs…..
- What are those feelings?? how did you feel?? HARRY: the moment we were walking by the water, I felt like something weird and thought theirs something here, i moved away but found myself going back and got goosebumps..
- I cant explain what it is but for this reason our colleagues returned this morning…….
- When the fire truck unloaded the pumps, i see no m ore movement……
- Traffic completely STUCK many many people here……
- Edmond: until now nothing particular now, but what i see the dogs have not come by the ends here they are in the middle only…..
- Nothing particular the dogs are just sitting their now…..
- The dogs are on a “break” i think the dogs are now being moved to other area…..
- 6 people are on the other side now…..
- Search continues
From Riehl World: Dan has a lot of very good stuff on this!
I’ve received report that Natalee’s mother is at the search site and has been seen crying – one Aruban authority was overheard to have pronounced the case resolved.
Great Map of Aruba (Click Map to Enlarge in a new window)
Pictures from todays search from the Proud College Republican And many many more. Definitely worth a look.
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I want to know if Natalie’s disapperance has anything to do with the young girl who disappeared in 1998 from the same club?
your confused she didn’t disappear from the same club. She had been there but actually disappeared from a her ship when she was on a curise and they were at anther island not Aruba
Sorry not sure if this has been mentioned have been a bit busy.
How is it that this area that they are searching has not been searched prior to today? I thought there were on going searched from the beginning? This area is near the hotels; one would have thought an area within 1 mile of where Natalee was claimed to have been left would have been searched?
Anyone with that info?
The girl that disappeared in 1998 never went to that club. She was invited to go by that guy on the ship but she refused. She came up missing the next morning after she turned down his invite. To my knowledge she never sent to the club.
I am confused as to why this area was never searched. From the way the reported. the entire island had been searched extensively. Sounds like to me they only searched areas where the 3 boys claimed they took her which of course they lied about that.
Actually, if you ladies are talking about Amy Bradley, she was on a cruise ship and was docking in Curacao. She went out about 5:30 a.m. to get a smoke and was never found–they assume that she went overboard–or at least that is the story that the family was told–they were on the cruise with her. She didn’t leave the boat or disenbark at Curacao on her own. The family stated that they saw her at around 5:15 or 5:30 to get a smoke–she was barefooted and only took her cigs and lighter from her room.
It has been stated that she was spotted a couple of years later at a brothel and stuck her head out of a door and stated her name and asked a sailor for help. Never found because the brothel was burned to the ground soon after. Of course, this is rumor and/or speculation.
FOX News had the guy on who found the Women’s underwear, Condoms and Pieces of duct tape. He said the underwear was pink with flowers and the tape was black tape.
I just wonder if there were any other victims of rape or rape and murder? Now would be a good time if any other women were sexually assulted by this boy . That would definately keep him in jail for a long time.
Please tell me: why such great attention to this? Hundreds of people go missing every week or month in the States. Why give this one so much attention?
Cause she’s hot !!!
Ithink now is the time we should just wait and see what if anything is found.
Northpaw – This is getting so much attention for several reasons. One, being the media. This is a very well-to-do family, a huge mystery on an island frequented by well-to-do travellers. The reason I feel so compelled to talk about it and find out what happened is because Natalee is “everyone’s daughter” as her mother has said. Any mother watching this has to feel heartbroken for Natalee’s mother. I was told over and over by my mother and I tell my daughter all the time, “Bad things happen to good people, even if they are where they are supposed to be.” Natalee was under the influence of alcohol and used poor judgment getting into that car with 3 strangers. That doesn’t make this her fault. Her friends used poor judgment in letting her get into that car with 3 strangers, but that doesn’t make it their fault either. I think we are going to have some answers today. The friendship between these 3 boys is falling apart and it’s everyone for himself. The truth is going to come out and when her body is found, forensic evidence will tell the authorities everything they need to know.
reasons for such imediate attention:
first off, A wonderful Mom that would do anything for her daughter.
including pulling in all of her favors from her important friends including those from her daughters school. She managed to get a DEA agent at the hotel within a few hours, and was then flown by private jet to Aruba escorted by several Alabama millionares. I am in no way saying this is wrong. I salute her for doing whatever it takes, this whole thing is sad…
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Looks like they are stopping the draining of the pond at the site where they found the panties and condom. Are the Aruban authorities just chasing anything now? If that is the case they must have absolutely no information from the three punks in their custody. Sad.
They interviewed the gentleman that found the panties, and he said that the police had searched that area, prior to when he found the articles.
How could those things have been missed? Was this guy just trying to get some attention and plant the items? And, why was someone with no connetion to the police allowed to handle evidence in such a high profile case?
They showed the panties on the news after this guy found them, they look awefully big to belong to someone as petite as Natalie.
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Notrhpaw – She is the all American girl and Aruba is trying to protect is reputation.as a tourist destination.
Does anyone know how much Natalie had to drink that night. There is still the possibility she was drugged I guess we are supposed to believe these liars that she was drunk.
I will never ever go to Aruba. THe governemnt and authorities are clowns. I know that the Dutch boy hurt Natalee. THey should have never arrested the security guards. What a dumb country. The Dutch suck!!!!!!!!!!
i’d like to know what kind of friend would allow another friend/aquaintance/class mate to leave a bar with 3 locals, not only that but they watched her leave in a car alone with 3 guys who they said appeared odd.
Does any one have any new info? all the sudden everything seemed to have stopped. Is there another web site that has info?
From Reil World:
RELEVANT!!!!!!!!! Once again, in case some of you missed this on my last post, I found this explanation of events leading up to N’s disappearance. It was apparently written by the mother of one of N’s friends who was on the trip.
Posted on: 10:48 am, today
http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g1-o610-k170488-i9659-Off_topic_chatter.html
“NATALEE WAS NOT THE GIRL WHO WAS SICK IN THE BATHROOM AT C&C’s! My daughter had already told me she was puzzled by that story ’cause she neither saw nor heard anything of the kind regarding Natalee. We were at the vigil yesterday and they were discussing that… It turned out to be other girls on the trip. Somebody had mentioned that at church and these girls went, “Oh no! That was US!” It was definitely not Natalee.
My daughter spoke with Natalee right after C&C’s closed.
My daughter & her friends came across Nat & Joran as all were exiting the club, and all were walking more or less together toward another group of classmates.
Natalee was walking unassisted (not falling down drunk), spoke ok (though not answering in long sentences), and was not touching Joran. My daughter only noticed that Joran was tall, dark-haired, American-looking; he did not speak and she couldn’t read his facial expressions.
Nat turned down my daughter’s invitation to go with her little group. (Ironically, they were about to circle the inside of another club to make sure no others were left behind.)
Nat assured them that she was fine, and said she was going to go back to the hotel “with THEM,” pointing to the MBHS group just a few yards ahead.
The Kalpoes were nowhere in sight; neither was the car.
Next Alana heard was that Natalee got into a car that many in the group had thought was a taxi. (Those look like regular cars.)
It may be that the Kalpoes pulled up on the street before Natalee reached the next group; Joran may have deliberately stalled her. The group may not have even realized she was behind them, approaching. But while we hear that she got in the car willingly, we know from her comments that it was not her pre-planned intention.
Because of this, I do not believe she knew she would be going anywhere but a fairly short distance down to the hotel. Her plans changed in the blink of an eye, and she was gone.”
Jen, You asked what kind of friend lets another leave a bar…etc? When you are a teenage girl, and your best friend is totally beligerant and says something like “I’m a big girl, and I can take care of myself”, usually you get ticked off and let her do whatever she wants. All the while seething inside. I work with teenagers every day. The same kind of brain that says “I’m safe with three foreign guys I don’t know”, is the same kind of brain that let her go. Teenagers don’t really have an understanding outside their own selfish desires. This isn’t meant to put down teens, they just have a limited view of the world. No wisdom. Wisdom comes from experience. Don’t blame them for being what they are- teenagers. They are little kids in full-grown bodies.
why didn’t anyone notice that she was missing upon arriving back to the hotel later that night. Was Natalee staying alone?
I thought she sat and drank with the 3 boys at c&c and then left with them , seems everyones story is changing.
Sure my best friend may say “I’m a big girl, and I can take care of myself”, regardless there is no way i’d let any of my best girls take off with a bunch of strangers, at least not without a fight.
Regardless of what did or did not happen – my prayers are with her family and I hope she is found alive
Did these kids go on this trip alone, without any adults?
Were there no parents or teachers, chaperones along?
18 is very young for this type of trip, like sending your kid to Vegas for graduation.
I pray for a miracle, if at any time, why not now? C’mon Lord, Please…
JMHO…I know it is easy to critize and blame others when something horrible happens, but I think it would be better to channel the negative into positive. Whatever has happened has happened, no one can ever change that. Hopefully we will all know the truth soon. It is a sad, sad situation for everyone involved, including the 3 in custody and their families. My heart breaks for each and every one that this tragdey has affected. I hope for a miracle….. and I pray for comfort, healing and peace for all.
I’ve read in the local newspaper that somebody has claimed that they saw somebody that resembled Natalee walking around in Ponton (near Oranjestad). The called her name, she turned around and ran away as fast as she can.
Thats BS
what local paper, Arubian?
Typical Aruban gossip
Arubian,
Those stories just kill me what a crock of crap… So the theory is she must of run away.. yeah right!
the lawyers down there are trying to trash this girl and make this out to be her fault. The police have screwed this investagation up from day one. You don’t release prime suspects for 10 days…. no excuse for that move at all. They let potential evidence get destroyed or tainted at the very least. They let them get attorney’s and collobrate their stories. Great Police work.. Then the system down there allows the lawyers trash Natalee. Pretty sad and sick
Well, let me just say this…
this is my first time to post (second if you count that first comment) but Ive been reading the site regularly since all the news broke about Natalee
I am from Birmingham, but I don’t know the family. I know the area and have known people from that area, but other than that I have no ties.
I think that at this point some type of closure, whether via a body or not, is what would be best for the family…my thoughts are with them, understand, but I can’t imagine a parent having to live out their lives wondering where their child is and being able to do nothing about it.
I have prayed from the beginning and will continue, and only hope that wherever Natalee is she is in the hands of God…
AiA, Arubagirl, Nativelingo..anyone around?
whole thing again today another run around?
wht are you hearing?
I think these boys will be off the hook if they come up with something concrete very soon. Need some local girls to come forward and say they were drugged and raped by these punks to really stick it to these guys.
There’s rumor going around that no Aruban could have commited the crime against this girl since 98% of Aruban males are…..should we say..”light in the loafers” or a little “fruity”
iamnoone, I would argue that so are 98% of the men in San Fransisco…
Obviously you’ve never seen a male that’s a little “fruity” throw a “pissy fit!” It can get downright nasty!
none of these three are “aruban”..if that were even true…they are all “off island”…..
its jut a slur against the country..
Aruba is going to lose most of its american tourists over this.
This is far bigger than some of them realize.
Besides, who says it was sexually motivated?
What else would a 17yr old boy want?
i would still go to aruba. you cannot blame a country for one crime. how many crimes are commited here each day?
My theory was that it may have been accidental death (overdose) and the boys freaked out and dumped the body, knowing they would get in trouble and daddy is a judge…debatable if it was whether she knew about the drugs being given to her or not. But with the brothers saying they dropped Joran and Natalee off, that throws the theory. I don’t know what’s going on.
I say they have done this before just never caught at it!
Tom – is ther another link going somewhere? where is Arubagirl AiA or native or gabriel? are they on another thread?
Jerry, some people just have a lust for blood, or drugs, or friends and popularity, or a multitude of things that are non-sexual. Who knows. Not every teenager is hormone driven. Im not saying he wasn’t, but Im saying thats not 100%.
I heard that the three suspects were dressed as members of The Village people when they appeared before the judge. Joran was dressed as the leather-clad cop…..I mean that’s like totally homo erotic. What’s up with that???
iamnoone, you would probably be our best informative on a gay lifestyle, why don’t you explain?
Brianna
Speaking as a man when I was 17 that is all I could think about was getting some? I think most males would agree with me . Some people are bolder in there actions.
Brianna,
If is was an overdoseI will bet anything and everything it was administered by the 3 punks. This girl was not a drug user. No doubt they all had a hand in this deal…..
Aruba is just such a “happy” island; this is a cryptic message, or double entendre for all of you pedantic oriented people.
I agree Justin T
Jerry,
NO QUESTION at 17 your totally Shaft Driven.. and throw in the fact you have a Great looking Blonde haired blue eyed Southern girl from America…..
I know it has been a couple weeks but has anyone heard information on whether the Aruba police have found any form of intelligence within their organization? I’m also curious if these people are considered the “smart Arubans”, what are they average Arubans like?
Besides the violent crimes that go unsolved in Aruba, I wouldn’t go because it seems they are some of the dumbest fuckin people on the planet.
Brianna
Men are at there peak when they are 17 and 18
Some of the “girls of the night” in Aruba-mostly Colombian- are very HOT!!! Natalee is beautiful, but some of these “chicas” are amazing so don’t kid yourself. The locals know where to find the babes.
When your use to screwing whores all the time I guess you dont know how to deal with a real lady.
S. Taylor- They’re not dumb but the problem has to do to with their lack of experience dealing with the media. Everybaody in Aruba wants to be on FOX, CNN, NBC, etc; they’re apt to give erroneous, conjecture based information because they’re all excited being on the big screen.
iamnoone,
that may be true about the “girls of the night” but that is entirely different flavor and if you can believe what has been written or really picked up from this one kids web site he considered himself quite the ladies man… So there is the challange and I still say he and his boys just didn’t liek being told no.
Amen Justin T
Jerry- The fact that trivialize these woman and write them of as “WHORES” tells me a lot about your opinion of woman…….girls, stay away from this Jerry character since he’s displaying anger management symptoms along with unresolved power issues.
yeah I think if she did OD the drugs were given by the three kids…either convinving her to take it or putting it in her drink…
My theory along along is that this girl’s life was probabaly taken because she told whatever guy NO which invoked feelings of aggression; she subsequently insulted his manhood or said something that really blew his gasket resulting in strangulation.
I’m still: scared shitless!
I mean she’s only 18, still a child, naive in her ways im sure and someone took advantage of that. I just hope the Arubian police convince themselves that they need to solve this case. And while theyre at it, find Amy Bradley
iamnoone-
If you don’t know how to be a police officer, you shouldn’t be one. That is like being a doctor and killing people and saying “well I don’t have experience as a doctor”. Just doesn’t work that way.
I’d also add that this was a cover-up for the white dutch boy. What a joke of a country. Lets hope the tourism industry to Aruba goes elsewhere and someone takes a knife to the 3 losers in jail.
So are you a shrink or what? What is a lady of the night? A whore? O is that a nasty word to you maybe because you are a whore! Does that offend you. Or can you hold a conversation without be offended talking about whores.
Speaking from personal experience, she could have had roofies or whatever put in her drink so he/they could take advantage of her and they gave her too much or something went wrong. Ill just tell you, and don’t give me any sympathy because God healed me, but I was date raped and had something put in my drink. It took days to get the junk out of my system and sleep it off…I can imagine that too much could kill someone.
Yeah …. Aruba_Girl ….. maybe the next thiung you’ll hear is that Natalee was abducted by aliens …..
The handwriting is on the wall people ….. these three suspects were in on the crime together …. sooner or later, the bullshit stories will come to an end …..
there is absolutely no reason to lie about a situation as grave as this one ….. these three have been bullshitting from the very start and like all other criminals they think that they would get away with what they did to that poor, unsuspecting girl …. who knows how many times they’ve tried doing this with a hot American girl … this one unfortunately fell for it …… I hope I’m wrong …. but geez …. two weeks and no sign of her
S. Taylor….Bitch…please!!!! Lets hope the tourism industry fails because “I” S. Taylor can’t get my gossip answers soon enough..wheeee wheee….. everybody must suffer for this and all Arubans must starve. You are one logical thinker
hmmm. there are some big people in here. very mature. and they use naughty words. wow. Im impressed. CAN WE BE SUPPORTIVE AND TALK ABOUT NATALEE?!?!?!?
It’s not gossip answes. The crime should have been solved. Some 17 year old kids are outsmarting your entire country.
People should go on vacation to countries that can protect their tourists. You guys have proven you can’t.
Jerry-Not offended by whore but you’re getting very defensive. Are you allright? Or were you abused by your parents or bullied at school. You sound just very angry and vitriolic. I think Straterra or Abilify, or perhaps Seroquel might help your unstable mood.
I just think they are all three equally guilty. That is why this case is not resoloved. If only one was guilty the others would sell him out in a heartbeat. Even though the two are brothers there would be a split. They are all playing the game by saying hey if none of us cave in they can’t pin it on any of us if otherwise we all go down.
Today’s events of jumping on what wsa told to the guard they released tells me just how little progress they have really made. They don’t have a clue where she is which is very unfortunate.
So did the investigation in front of the hotel stop at dark? Any new info from that?
drugs or not, they are lying over and over again.
which indicates they are guilty of something.
If it was an accident and they buried her, thats still murder in my country.
I agree on the cover up, they bypassed taking these 3 in way too long.
Thankfully her Mom put some real heat on this, the media machine
went after it once the FBI got involved.
Justin, it is unfortunate, especially when you consider the fact that these are kids they have in custody. It’s not Al Cappone or something. It looks like they would be able to crack them pretty quick.
ztriggs, I agree. Sad part is, they’ll never receive justice because dutch law doesn’t allow for a death penalty.
Brianna,
I read something today that at the end of the night Natalee was standing out front with these three guys and had indicated she was going back to the hotel. They were getting a cab when this gray car pulled up. From what I read you can’t tell the difference down there between cabs and regular cars they look the same. Perhaps just perhaps she thought she was getting into a cab and sharing a ride with these guys…. This comes from one of the girls who was on the trip with her and had this acutal convesation with her. So who knows maybe she didn’t intend to leave with them and they tricked her…. it just all sucks..
Iam0
Not upset one little bit I think you are reading way to much into what I am saying and I suggest you see a doctor and those drugs you read off are probable the ones you are taking.
This is so funny. !!! All of the cabs in Aruba are clearly marked. They have to by law. Unbelievable
No, I prescribe them
I really have no doubt that her better judgement was compromised, whether from her partying or their tampering with her sobriety. She may have not been fully aware of the repurcussions (sp?) of her getting in a car with 3 male acquaintances. ‘Scuse my spelling. I’m a college student.
iamnoone,
Like I said that is a story coming from someone who was there.. Clearly marked..perhaps by your standards…. no so true compared to here. Nor is it true in mexico where they are all marked but at night you have to look to be sure as they can be any color and any kind of car…
Seeing as their will probably not be any new developments until tomorrow, I’m going to go. God be with you all, especially natalee.
I maintain in home in the U.S and one in Aruba; Aruba is not like Mexico or Jamaica. Yes, it’s a small island with a tourist economy but the average per capita income is almost higher than that in the U.S. They take care of their tourists because they know it’s a major source of income.
wow I saw some mention that her friends thought she
was getting into a cab (the Honda) as many cabs are unmarked
yet another inconsistency?
kinda like the 17 yr old gambling with the judge
They don’t really enforce the drinkng age all that much. They’re a little stricter on checking id’s in casinos, but just like in the U.S.; kids here are also crafty at faking id’s and finding ways to get into clubs. It’s not a practice exclusive to Aruba.
Regarding Best Friends preventing you from leaving a bar with a stranger.
My 2 best girlfriends practically made me leave a D.C. bar with a guy we just met at a bar. And you know what happened… 2 1/2 years later I hear him snooring in our bed room next to where I’m typing.
We’ve all avoided doing stupid thing and have done stupid things.
Hi all…they said on the news that nothing had become of the evidence that was found or tonights search. In my opinion, especially considering this area had already been searched, this evidence was possibly planted here…possibly a decoy. Did you see the interview with the guy that found the stuff, his eyes kept shifting…its too perfect for these itmes to all be together just in some bushes
nite Bri
and aside from all this, my prayers are also with Natalee and her family
who cares if she was drunk or chose to kiss that jerk,
if it was that simple why are those three hiding it.
no is still no, she was obviously not a crack hoe from new york
its silly to justify anything cause she was drunk, again in the US
the Bartender would be in jail too now!
I also agree with the person who said Natalee was more of a challenge for these guys, they really were used to “whores” per say…Girls who would give them some with no fight.,…remember the pics and msgs on Joran’s website
They could have a “hot” Columbian girl anytime, but not a decent girl from Alabama
Hello? Anybody still here?
I used to visit Aruba often in the eighties and CRYS83, I’ve got news for you. Aruban boys knew that if you wanted to hook up for one night you would go to the hotels and clubs to meet American tourist because they’re more willing than local girls. They’re often out for an adventure. In 1986 I hooked up with nine girls one summer……it was crazy and fun!!! I still talk to some of them to this day. Facts are facts. I’m not saying that Natalee is “easy” but a lot of other American girls were too easy.
Well, ya know, this is not the eighties anymore. It has become a well known fact that Natalee was not this kind of girl. Not all of the American girls who visit are Christian girls from Alabama…
blonde hair and blue eyed “Southern Belle” is not typical there
blonde hair and blue eyed “Southern Belle” is not typical there
I don’t know Micky Johns but would like to have him as a friend
any new news?
lie detectors should be used in this case……….its already obvious that one of the 3 is lying, so use the detector to figure out who
No, you’re right. They were Christian girls from Conneticut, Mass., Pennsylvania, Virginia. Christianity is not an “exclusive” club; it’s an ACTION based faith that compells you to comfort and help hookers, criminals, misfits, prisoners, the hungry, the poor, etc. It’s not a pretty goodie two shoes religion country club.
Just that the search this evening has led to nothing
It has been stated by her friends that she was a “goodie two shoes” compared to the majority of those on the trip
Besides, that was not exactly the point I was trying to make, until you have lived in alabama you would not understand…we are different here….I believe that the evidence found today was “too perfect” I think it was planted, possibly as a decoy
I’m sure she was and I give her that because I tend to believe her mother; moms know their children.
i agree about the lie detectors Jen, definitely!
have any of natalees friends spoken to the press at all?
Crys83. One of my co-workers is from ALabama-no I’m not making this up- and he is the most depraved perverted moral reprobate that I’ve ever met. Great funny guy but he’s got a sexual perverted mind. He still has a house there and visits often. In life, you can’t generalize people because of their nationality, race, or geography. Italians are gangster, Puerto Ricans carry knives, Dutch people are cheap, Irish are habitual drunks……we’re all individuals.
One was on here the other night and she said she was misquoted by People mag…thats all I have heard, also on this site you can see what her friends mom had to say
If you can believe the story from the security guard that was released today then more suspicion is on Joran as the perp
Crys83nalabama,
No doubt you are right it is different in the “South” and u do have to be exposed to it to understand it. As for the evidence being planted. Hard to plant “her” panties. DNA will prove if they belong to her or not and there is a good possiblity her mom would know if they were hers. Now this is kind of funny in a not funny situation but the comment was made that they seemed way too BIG for such a petite girl. So don’t worry about the planting of evidence. IF the codoms are used well those are easy to track to the person too…..
By the way, Aruba is a Dutch colony and there are plethera of unbelievably good looking blond blue-eyed dutch girls roaming the island. Although not ubiquitous, the Arubans are used to blonds.
I agree, but we also have to consider the fact that he heard that from one of the brothers and it has been stated that they seem to be casting the blame on each other…also the staement I made: They could have a “hot” Columbian girl anytime, but not a decent girl from Alabama
was in response to
iamnoone Says:
June 14th, 2005 at 10:13 pm
Some of the “girls of the night” in Aruba-mostly Colombian- are very HOT!!! Natalee is beautiful, but some of these “chicas” are amazing so don’t kid yourself. The locals know where to find the babes.
Wait..
yo’re claiming that Aruba can’t take care of it’s vacationers…
If you are rom the US, are you claiming that the U.S. can?
aahahahahahahahaha
I hope so Justin, It just seemed a little ironic to me that this evidence would all be right there, almost too perfect, I really didnt think of this until I saw the guys interview, maybeI’m wrong, he just seemed too nervous, who knows…?Does anyone know if her mother has said whther they were hers?
RE: have any of natalees friends spoken to the press at all?
I’ve seen a few that were on the trip interviewed on Fox news.
The U.S. has some MAJOR problems protecting young children from repeat sex offenders an child molester. Just in the last two years we’ve had about three girls abused and killed by these “registered” sex offenders. Who are we to complain about the Aruban authorities?????
Tom…how come Arubgirl, AiA, Native and Gabriel are absent? are they somewhere else on the site? I dont like the sh*t I’m hearing on TV here..
Do those dutch girls have a “sweet southern drawl” formeraruban?
Beth noone has said that, But in Nat’s case, it is a little obvious…We never even began to state that the US treated vacationers better than Arubans do…Please….That is not what this is about, I am tired of the arguments over that subject
actally it was said here.
S.Taylor Says:
June 14th, 2005 at 10:27 pm
It’s not gossip answes. The crime should have been solved. Some 17 year old kids are outsmarting your entire country.
People should go on vacation to countries that can protect their tourists. You guys have proven you can’t.
YOu guys, this should not be an argumnet over whose coutry is worse…bad things happen everywhere and unless we are the ones doing these things we shouldnt argue about it. I have no control over what other americans do just like People in Aruba have no control over the crimes committed there
No, no sweet southern drawl but they’re so hot with very little body fat. Morevover, they speak three/ four languages fluently, they are gregarious, well traveled, and often have a better English vocabulary than American girls!!!!!! For real!
Yes, an hour ago, but he isnt even chatting anymore and that isnt the discussion…
What the F*** What has “very little body fat” have to do with it, we in alabama can also have “very little body fat” but the cannot just have our accent
Arubagirl??
That being the case, why didnt Joran just choose to be with one of them, thats the point i AM MAKING, hE CHOSE A SWEET GIRL FROM ALABAMA
What’s so good about your accent. Please don’t tell me that’s all you have going for you……that accent doesn’t make you attractive; maybe in Pascagoula Mississippi, but not in Aruba.
jUSTIN ARE YOU STILL HERE?
yeah sort of
He was attracted to her because she’s just beautiful; bottom line. But “being from Alabama” didn’t make her beautiful. It’s called genetics… you might want to check into it.
As I said the guymade his choice…MS has nothing to do w/ this….I think You are now just an old fart who got him some in the 80s, lol, and think you are now an expert on Aruban women
What area in bama are you from?
I’m still hookin up with 25 year olds. Green is for the money and gold is for the honey…
I just did, I looked into the mirror…:)
Don’t break the mirror….THAT’S SEVEN YEARS OF BAD LUCK!!!!!!!!
whatever….I’m Pam Anderson too…
my husband thinks anyone who isn’t blond is ugly
It would not surprise me at all if the items found today came back not matching Natalee’s DNA.
Trust me, I wont…Well, I dont have time to argue with a “DAMN YANKEE” going through mid life crisis. lol, so I’m goin to bed, work will come early, Good Night all, Lets remember to keep Natalee and her Family in our prayers
Really????? You must be totally hot like me!! I believe that hot people should hang out together and just be hot and do hot things; maybe we can go out surfing out in Manhattan Beach California…..
Native – youre back on..what are you hearing?what do you know?
lol scared….me too coniie, bye all
Nothing Gaijnin…NOT A THING…
Is Geraldo back in Aruba??
HA HA just read the comment about bunch of 17 year olds outsmarting our whole country….. Actually its the police department in Aruba who is being outsmarted. They just amitted to Fox news that they have NO CLUE where Natalee is.
Truthfully this is not about the country of Aruba/ but it is a HUGE problem for them. The police force just looks very Incompetent. You don’t let your primary suspects go just becusae the one kid is the son of your best friend…. A kid who has a history of violence, anger issues and was busted last year selling a movie of him and his buddies gangbanging a 14 year old that daddy got covered up….
I think it’s time for the FBI to bring “Big Daddy” down from the federal pen…have him spend some quality time with the 2 brothers and Jaron. He’s always looking for a guy with a purty mouth. Maybe the threat of being some Bad man’s “girlfriend” will get them talking!
another run around it seems?
Boo,
No Geraldo is back in the US just got off O’Rielly Factor
I knowI was at first angry…but nowI feel terrrible for your country also…
he chose her because he hadn’t had her before, and she was receptive to his advances…
I feel enough is fact about him clearly being a rich spoiled
club player that picks up tourists all the time. hence his “pimp” braggin
why it went so bad that night , no one may ever know.
hopefully the family with have a resolution in the end.
my main complaint is that early on, these three were bypassed and
given too much time to cover things up. Too quickly they moved in one single direction and caught severe media and international heat almost instantly over racism. The investigators early on being personal friends of his father. That was a huge problem not forseen by them, I doubt they ever thought this would become an international incident which it is concidered here in the US. They did make some mistakes law enforcement wise. where it all goes from here will redeem thier legal system.
Hopefully they call in thier best asap, much is on the line now
several of Natalees friends are going to be on the O’rielly Factor right now. They say they are pissed off at the media…..
Call me crazy, but I think the brothers have more to do with it than the dutch boy. All three had SOMETHING to do with it, but more so the brothers. of course that’s just my opinion.
Last thing I heard is that Geraldo incurred a lot of gambling debts in several Aruban casinos; He was spotted break dancing for tips on a piece of cardboard in front of the Holiday Inn wearing parachute pants, trying to raise money for his flight back to the U.S.
Everybody’s always so pissed off at the media…Cnn is too liberal, Fox News is too conservative, the media is too invasive…I want my news now…Walter Cronkite the most trusted man in the Us…Dan Rather is a liar…blah blah blah…At least our country has Freedom of the Press…
yup on right now FOX news
Gaijin….
I am so tired…so so tired…. I want to see this case solved and closed…and SOON..
Booya con ta??
I agree Connie I have that nagging feeling about it.
Connie…you’re crazy!! and I just said that because you said to call you crazy…
Bon Bon. Bo mes sa… papiando koy loko
Jay, freedom of press is one thing, but freedom to say or show whatever it is you want people to hear or see is a totally different thing…..
Free love is another thing…..1960′s Woodstock if I’m not mistaken
Well that was disappointing….. They said they had some of the kids on… What kills me about all this crap about making this trip. And oh how could you let them go to this foreign country where there are no rules.
What a joke! These kids had just graduated and were headed off to college in 2 1/2 months . AH HELLO! do you think there isn’t drinking, drugs, rape at college. Only rule I had was to be awake in time for Happy Hour and a free meal…
Of all places to go Aruba was considered one of the safest to go. Have any of these people seen springbreak anywhere in the country. Stop making it an issue about Aruba. It’s not its about 3 very bad kids.
As usual booya…
at least you keep us entertained…
Why is it the Aruban officials keep saying that they expect to have the case solved in the next 24 hours? They keep doing that! Maybe they should extend their range a little bit so we don’t have so many let down expectations!
Booya, when you come down, you, Arubagirl and I should get together for a drink….
I think we deserve it
Do you think they will allow the FBI to interrogate the three young men? I read earlier that they were allowed to watch interrogations, but were not allowed to ask questions.
Since Aruba isn’t used to crimes such as this they really don’t have the knowledge to ask the right questions. The FBI deals with stuff like this on a daily basis, I personally think it would help the investigation alot if they could ask questions (or at least tell Aruban officials what questions to ask)
Mi a caba di skibi un otro di mi “press release” pero e moderator no kier pone ariba e board.
Connie, supposedly they brought in some experts from Holland that are better in interrogation tactics…
Connie, my guess is that the FBI is indirectly doing the interrogations….
I think they are directing the whole thing…
Ahh okay, I didn’t see that. How long before you think the boys will crack and tell what really happened? Maybe if they put them all in seperate rooms and told them that the others confessed? Just a thought, maybe it only works in movies.
Native…I know this is a terrible situation…..and that the country will suffer from this in the short term…but perhaps..in the long run,,..some good will comeof this..where the local government, especially with the Pm running for relectiion, will tighten up on some of their own laws, obeying their own drinking age, a 17 year old running thru their bars and gambling hotels, and pehaps some of the drug dealing that is susposed to be going on…which I know does goes on everwhere…but..in a resort island..where perhaps they should be watching closer, perhaps it will tighten up and people will feel “safer” there after this…because they know the govm is watching closer now….I need to think somthing positive will come out of this childs death/murder…and Aruba will never allow this to happen to them again…
If I was one of those boys I wouldn’t say Jack anymore…
That’s right Jay….
good night everybody
Booya. e-mail me e press release m_croesm@yahoo.com
Bon Nochi Booya ……..
I just did ….check it out.
That’s right Gaijin…… every dark cloud has a silver lining….
Her death (if that is the case) will not be in vane…
I for one don’t want this government to come back…..
Hey Booya…did you see Geraldo was going to shave off his mustache if the jury would’ve found Michael Jackson guilty???
So..you DO blame them to a degree….
I didn’t vote for them….never liked them…… (bunch of populist idiots if you ask me)…
I blame them for not cleaning up the drug mess especially in the CnC area….
He did say that. But FOX is planning on creating a new reality show entitled “Sharing Your Bed with Geraldo and Michael Jackson”
so..this is an episode of an environment that was predestined to happen…if I hear you right…and that this is a crime…that could have been prevented…or at least..it could have been policed better….it was ineventable……at sometime…the environment predestined it…
Hey Booya, what are the conditions required to be a contestant on that reality series?
LOL LOL Booya….
(still here i see)
Am I imagining things (I have read sooooooo many posts the last two days), or did I read that Joran and / or his brothers were somehow involved in porn movies???????
Requirements are that all contestants must be male, they must wear Spiderman logo pyjamas, survive a week with Geraldo and Michael eating only Animal Crackers, Goldfish, and drinking Juicy Juice grape flavored juice boxes.
I read about a porn movie a few moments ago…second time I heard it.
Booya… Oh STOP it
LOL LOL
Kristina….so not trye…those were Geraldo’s stories….not true though…
he would say abything to spice up any story
Shoot…I don’t think they make Spiderman logo pajamas in my size….
Was Joran involved or only his brother? Just wondering if these 3 guys make porn movies???????? It might blow apart the theory that they were just teenagers drinking and things got out of hand. . .there may even be some tape available??????
Geraldo starred in porn movies in the seventies, mainly the “Latin Boricua in Mrs. Jones” series and the “Give to me Papi” series starring Samantha Breastesis
Is that true that Joren and his buddies taped a session with a 14 year old? Where did that story originate? (It is referenced in an earlier post tonight.) Thanks!
Geraldo reported that they sold copies of a gang rape video of a 14 yr old girl while out at clubs. He stood behind it, so I don’t know if they have a copy or what. US media is
pretty careful about false reports.
He does have that porn star mustache…haha…
About porn movies…
here goes……
Gang rape or Gang bang?…two different situations…
he said that he’d shave it if Micheal Jackson was found guilty too heh
Thanks ztriggz . Makes Joran and crew seem even slimer than I imagined possible.
In one of his movies, Geraldo actually pulls large pieces of rattan patio furniture out of his rear end. Very revolutionary for the 1970′s, but he’s always been a little of an iconoclast and ahead of his time.
US media careful about false reports?! LOL I HOPE thats sarcasm!
hmm good point Jay
I cannot recall which word those chose to use…
Well maybe that was the point in the three taking Natalee to the lighthouse. . .or one of the reasons. Just wondering if anyone has searched for any tape.
Then ..therein lies the crime..the locals are upset with the local govmnt not cleaning up the area around CnC..and thereby endorsing a crime environment….the same as Chelsea, or Queens, or downtown New Orleans…
yeah Pres it sorta was
always remember Capones tomb
Sometime last year, ther was an incident about a homemade porn movie involving a 14 year old….not a gang bang, but she did in fact have sex with different boys on the video/dvd….neither Joran or brothers were involved, but they may have copied and sold copies…ALOT of boys sold copies…..
Amen about New Orleans! (I live there)
Booya- I am rotfl about the patio furniture from Geraldo’s butt. You people here really know how to make all of us lurking in the backround laugh! Goodnight all.
NativeLingo. . . .what about porn movies? Gracias por su ayuda.
where did you guys read about this porn video? I haven’t seen anythng about it
That’s righ Gaijin….
That would get you in a WHOLE lot of trouble in the US…child pornography big big no no…
No conozco la lengua de Aruba, pero, Booya y usted comprenden espanol tambien??
Gaijin, I’m not saying that drugs had anything to do with it, but the drugs gave the press “material” to use for the bashing and bad publicity….. that’s my point…
Si Kristina…..
I’m otta here here …sound like you guys want to play…
looking for news on Natalee tomorrow…
night all…
hmm well selling videos of a 14 yr old is simply a bad idea for a judges son…
(if he did) I just get a petty clerar msg he a totally arrogant jerk…
and no the people of Aruba shouldn’t paying for them, that sucks.
but they will unfortunatly.
Thanks, NativeLingo. . .well that does sound better than what I was imagining. . .that they were doing that type of thing themselves. . .though it is still horrible, it is better than what I had imagined.
Yo hablo espanol, Frances, Ingles, Holandes, Brooklynese, Jive, y redneck
Jay…this was an isolated case…..dumb kids….someone copied the dvd…and they gt in a whole lot of trouble……. they were all kids ..STUPID kids
7.0 Earthquake in California!
oh ok..I see
So is the language of Aruba a mixture of Spanish and Dutch? I work in Costa Rica quite often. . .Aruba sounds a lot like some places in Costa Rica.
I’m sorry..it was 80 miles off the coast…
earthquake? where? I’m in Los Angeles, felt nothin
No, I admit that Native…the entire environment is there for the press..
I just wish we could find this child is alll…Ill pontificate with the best of them about what may have happneed…rigft now…I want her back with her family/……
Obviously tu hablas BULLSHIT tambien booya
80 miles off the coast of Crescent City…not sure where that is…
Me too Gaijin…me too
Gracias, Booya, por la informacion! Hablo solamente Ingles, Redneck y Espanol. Soy de Mississippi, pero trabajo in Costa Rica, construyendo casas.
Ztriggz- The earthquake only leveled the town of Irvine, Orange County. You’re safe…….just kidding of course
booya, you must be a genius to know so many languages. I am struggling with just Spanish. How do you do it
Muy bien…..Mara Salvatrucha siempre se respeta!!!!
Ha ha, good one, NativeLingo. I will add that one to my list of lenguas also
I grew up speaking four of them. Plus I have a fairly active/creative mind so languages come easy
I searched back as far as I could but I cant find the “dutch/spanish” for “goodnight”
but its “bon..somethng or other…so…”goodnight…”
I think we need to get those chaperons back to Aruba and make them look for Natalee!
Deputy
here we go again…
Bon Nochi is papaiamneto, the Aruban lingua franca(spoken language) Goedenavond is the dutch version of goodnight
Bon Nochi Gaijin…
Hello Deputy..
papaiamneto is only spoken in Aruba?
Hello NativeLingo
All right I’m out of here for real. have to get up at nine tomorrow to go work out at the gym. Make some sales calls at 10:00 Break at 10:30 Lunch at 11:30 back to work at 2:00 make some more sales calls…..cycling training ride at 4:00…….rough life!!!! Good night!!
was i right in reading that aruba girl was saying there was talk of the body being buried by fishermans huts? if so where did she get that info from ?
AYOOOOO Booya…
No BODY leesa…..not yet….
This was just reported in Costa Rica – A similar situation to Natalee Holloway’s occured there about two months ago. . . a big international story. . . .really very similar to this one. . .some local girl was said to be involved.
Body found in Costa Rica may be missing Australian —
The Daily Telegraph and News
AUSTRALIAN authorities are unable to confirm reports
that a body found in Costa Rica last week is that of
missing Melbourne student Brendan Dobbins.
Costa Rican police have said dental records from Mr
Dobbins matched those of a body found near where he went
missing, according to ABC radio.
But the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade said it
had not received official confirmation the body was that
of Mr Dobbins.
ok..but did aruba girl say that word was that one of the 3 stated they did in fact bury her…or was this just rumor?
I think it was rumor…..
The whole search today, I think
sorry…
The whole search today, i think, was a result of one of the guard’s testimony…
I can only imagine how the media would have reacted had they not searched that area today…..
for those that live on the island, what is the most desolate but accessible place, where nobody ever goes? I was reading that psychic’s prediction and just wondering if that place she said was pretty desolate.
ALOT of desolate places…1/3 of the island is a national park….
sofar like 4 psychics gave different locations…don’t believe much in them…
antoine: The only misinformation has been supplied by your government… Amy Bradly has in fact gone missing on your Inland…. and the Holloway case will soon fellow.,…. Your country
again are experts at covering – up crimes in your
country… the FBI has nominated them the disappearances Capital of the World……….
BTW wheres natalee and amy… in a crack house………….
antoine: The only misinformation has been supplied by your government… Amy Bradly has in fact gone missing on your Inland…. and the Holloway case will soon fellow.,…. Your country
again are experts at covering – up crimes in your
country… the FBI has nominated them the disappearances Capital of the World……….
BTW wheres natalee and amy… in a crack house………….
can u imagine native? that wouldve been an even worse nightmare!
IM wondering what type of altercation the 3 boys had with one of natalees schoolmates…did anyone ever say what it was over?
speaking of… why did one of the Kalpoe bros say to M.John “we thought she’d turn up in a beach bar or crack house”? did they drug her and figure she’d eventually wake up and show up at one of those places but she ended up ODing?
ignore the comments native…not worth your breath
the boys gambling habits leave me pondering theories i once thought inplausible….when peopel get in debt or in over head with wrong circles..alot that seems far fetched can happen….
lisa, No….nobody has those details…..
…still in shock that his parents let Joran gamble, booze it up, go around from girl to girl… nice parents. boyyyyyyy, if that was my kid……. uh-uh. no way. over my knee and off to boot camp.
well goodnight everyone….thanks for answering my questions native..appreciated it! and take care
dontblame..island life is a lot more lax in those regards….right or wrong..goes iwth the territory.
Native… question. Is it a big “party” culture (I am concluding from pic I have seen of Joran’s friends and such) at their ages? I know it is a normal thing mostly in the Netherlands but it seemed to me like Joran was as “normal” as his friend in that regard.
The missing body (if dead) is truly a mystery. The search efforts were extensive, involving hundreds of
soldiers, divers, dogs, and the local population. Considering all this, it is unlikely that her dead body
is anywhere in Aruba.
Some of the posts are extreme. They convey a protestant ethic that belongs to another century (if not
another planet). Common sense says: two 18 years olds leave a club, they like each other, and are
eager to make love. There is nothing more natural than that. They have two more friends with them, and
it is most likely that they ask to be dropped off at a place which is walking distance to the Hotel, so that
they can enjoy some privacy. What happened after that, is really puzzling. But remember, Joran is not
a New York psychopath who chases a jogger in central park. He is with a girl that likes him, and
keen to enjoy her last night in Aruba.
One thing that nobody has mentioned, is that two 18 year olds making love in the beach are somewhat
vulnerable (both of them), even in a peaceful place like Aruba. But this doesn’t lead anywhere.
Another direction is: was there someone among her classmates that had a crush on her, who could
become furiously jealous when he saw her leave with the Dutch boy. Someone, that as a result
of this could not go to sleep and was pacing furioulsy around the Hotel. But even in this case, where
is the body.
This is definitely not a simple story.
Cali….it’s not a real party culture….
Ari, very interesting post…I just copied it to tripadvisor….
Ari
although remotely possible these three boys are unharmed
nothing has been offered to indicate anyone else involved.
perhaps she got drunk fell and bumped her head and he went for help
and pirates took her to brazil?
anything is possible but the “facts at this point” indicate otherwise.
all they have to do is speak up…
she ended up there possibly under own free will, but yet why did this caring young innocent group of troubled teens leave her helpless and drunk on the curb of her hotel in his first story. hes a loser.
that made me sick wheni heard it…
these guys are dirty, far too many lies
Exactly. If the three boys had nothing to hide, they would not have lied about returning her to the hotel. 1, 2 or all 3 of them definitely knows and is responsible for what happened to her. They’ll crack eventually. They should use sleep deprivation or beat them if necessary imo.
There are several things I don’t understand:
Why would the Aruban police believe everything these three punks who are obviously trying to wiggle out of this, say? They say oh it’s here and the Aruban police jump. They are liars. They are lying to each save their petuties. Isn’t that obvious?
When this happens here, when each party is trying to pin it on the other, they use it and leverage it to make one of them sing. I understand Aruba doesn’t have experience in this, so why don’t they let the FBI help???
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If this is true, isn’t it obvious that Joran is dangerous??
It seems to me the Aruban authorities just keep compounding their inexperience with ineptness which is making them look worse and worse in the world’s eyes. Don’t they want to save face and just solve the case? Bring in the interrogation experts from NY or LA!!
I think this is actually quite cruel to the Holloways and while they can’t extradite, they can sue the Aruban authorities for negligence, undue pain and suffering.
My quote didn’t take in my last comment. I was cutting from another post that said Joran had a video of he and friends gangbanging someone. Isn’t that a crime? If that is still around, can’t the Aruban authorities use it to threaten to press charges if he doesn’t start talking??
It amazing that the perspective of most posters is centered around the US Justice system.
There are 6 billion human souls on this planet and 300 million in US (5%).
There are universal values of course, but a lot of the demands and complaints
are based on laws that are particular to only 5% of the human beings on this earth.
Why does NY or LA have the best interrogation experts? For one thing the Israeli’s leave
them in the dust.
A round up of information from today’s news reports, some of it quite disturbing.
I’m leaving out most of the bits about the two released guards and their reports on the conversations they had with the three suspects as that has been widely reported. What has not been widely reported and what caught my attention:
Geraldo Rivera reported on Tuesday’s “O’Reilly Factor” that he has heard from an “impeccable source” that the chief investigator into this case in Aruba was overheard saying, “How can I do that to Joran, he’s the son of my best friend” – referring to Joran’s father, a member of the Aruba judiciary.
During their incarceration, the two guards were each only questioned _twice_.
Once at the beginning and once at the end, each signed a statement. If true, this would be a crime in and of itself to have a murder or missing person suspect left to sit on their hands for a week without vigorous interogation. Every moment that went by was another moment that could have resulted in the location of Natalee – yet there were only two interrogations during the course of a week – while the three who last were known to be with Natalee were taking exams and enjoying their freedom?
Joran was said to have participated in a “gang bang” with a 14-year old girl and that a videotape of the crime was being sold by individuals in Aruba. I suspect that it’s just a matter of time before a copy of this surfaces.
Joran was again said to have “anger management problems,” confirmed through several sources (I heard this last week from a reporter at DIARIO); There was additional confirmation about his having pushed a classmate through a window, that he was a bully.
Regarding Joran’s alibi, as reported by one of the released guards – it has been pointed out that it would have made no sense for the two brothers to drive in one direction to drop Joran at home, then drive back past Carlos & Charlie’s to drop of Natalee.
Stories of email and text messages will likely be confirmed or disproved via phone records and the seizing of Joran’s computer.
Natalee’s friends dismiss the rumor that Natalee was sick in the bathroom of Carlos & Charlies – this was reported and confirmed on Dan’s Riehl World weblog. On Scared Monkey, Natalee’s friends have said that she looked tired, but in a way they haven’t seen before… And that she wasn’t stumbling or falling down as she left Carlos & Charlies.
To me, the most upsetting items reported were the overheard comment apparently suggesting preferential treatment and a reluctance to proceed against Joran. If the chief investigator indeed made that comment (and Gerlado was adamant about his source), it would not surprise me given the turns of this case – and the impossibly brief amount of time that the suspects were interrogated.
By now, we all know the three are guilty of something, almost certainly Joran (his new alibi is the least plausible and is completely illogical.) The question is, when will he crack and give it all up? With the chief investigator already indicating reluctance to work on him, the answer may be “never” – unless the pressure from the media exceeds that of his loyalty to Joran’s father.
May i point out to you, that Aruba has an different law system than the USA.
In fact it’s Dutch, and we’re not allowed to interrogate like you americans can.
If there’s one little error in the investegation all three will walk freely and cannot be caught for this crime ever again. So it may look to you that the Arubian police is slow and inexpirenced but i’m sure that they will do all they can.
I’m sorry i’m not happy with it eather !!
All the posters here who write how professional aruba has been so far in the handling of the NH case have me baffled. I do not want to repeat all the bullet points that Rick has written just above this post. Please refer to his post anytime any of those who think there is not a huge problem with the provincial and corrupt Aruban officials.
This is getting more madening by the minute. I say bring back the 2 guards in to interrogate the 3 of them. We just might get somewhere then.
Im sorry to say that as tantalising and damning as Geraldo’s revelations on O’Reilly last evening, given geraldo’s infinitesimal credibility I am not inclined to believe what he said unless he clarifies it again or is reported by another source. Thanks
hi
Total Random Theory-
Could dutch boy’s father (Judge) have called in a favor to protect his son? This could involve using a corrupt individual (ex. policeman) of actually helping in trying to cover up any wrongdoing. The police or Marines, etc. could actually be searching for evidence that one of their own may have disposed of. Not suggesting complete corruption by any means, but in almost any organization, there may be many very good people, and a few “bad apples”.
May seem wild theory, but it was also kind of wild how 2 security guards picked up without any decent proabable cause.
Pray for Natalee’s safe return whether she’s still on island or possibly on nearby island.
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anything at ALL new this morning guys? Have to get some work done today but want to catch up here first – my mind just cant concentrate on work these days!
Natalee is likely similar to many southern girls from nice homes with caring parents. They trust too much and as a rule, are also taught to be friendly to others. If she was provided drugs it’s also likely her judgment was impaired, so it’s amazing so many have questioned her judgment.
As for Joran it is very apparent his parents have not taken heed to MANY previous alerts of his aggressive nature and anger problems. The very fact that his father has been barred from visiting him in jail is also very telling – that happened for a REASON> amazing he as an instrument of the law (judge or attorney), would challenge such a decision.
The clues are all there, a path a mile wide now, like father – like son. They either respect the judicial system or are well-versed in getting around it – each day it appears to be more of the latter.
I feel bad for her parents but I think this was a done deal in the first week. The Dutch elite in Aruba made sure that they will never find the body and the murderer is going to walk free. They probably know that the body will never be found. I feel bad for her parents b/c they will never have closure.
oh boy- i hope that is not the case, but you just mighht be right
“The clues are all there, a path a mile wide now, like father – like son. ”
Indeed. Apparently they would at times go to the casino together. At 17 this kid broke many laws that his parents… even though his father is a justice official and his mother a teacher…must have know about…. drinking, in the casino, driving, and using drugs.
as a mother I awoke in the middle of the night from a nightmare that my own daughter was missing – I guess we can add the tropics to the growing list of havens for monsters who destroy young females and I for one – won’t allow my daughter to go to the caribbean now. oddly enough my son went to st.john’s over spring break with his girlfriend’s family and was accosted continuously for he looks a good bit like Michael Phelps. now I guess we’re lucky he’s as physically large as he is, or he might have made a good kidnap/ransom target.
The clues are all there, a path a mile wide now, like father – like son. They either respect the judicial system or are well-versed in getting around it – each day it appears to be more of the latter.
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My thoughts exactly.
It’s become surreal.
about Amy Bradley, her own family says she had returned to the boat, the brother says his sister had returned from a night out on the island and then went out on the balcony outside their cabin
if you want to use the same logic as in this case, her brother was the last person to see Amy Bradley alive, so technically isn’t he a potentially prime suspect
Mr. and Mrs. Bradley got a lot of money? only two kids, get rid of the sister, hmmmm
who is michael phelps? I dont blame you for being sensitive to your children… but really bad things can happen, and being sheltered from life is one of those bad things… im sure that you raised your children to be careful and have good judgement- this is a freak situation that should have been solved by now- each day that they make us all wait creates more anxiety…. there should be higher security “afterhours” in these places… it is so sad- but, try not to worry too much southernin… this was rare and also shouldnt be as “mysterious as all of this”
cancon- that was an idoitic statement-
PS I agree with the assessment of Geraldo, you have to take anything he says with a grain of salt, though he did report that this kid has anger management problems and that seems to be confirmed by other sources – however I noted no one had jumped on that story yet so we’ll have to keep our eyes and ears peeled……
if the story of the videotape is true, it certainly is strong evidence vs the Dutch kid and if the police knew anything about this, it makes the fact they didn’t arrest him and his friends right away even more suspicious and/or incompetent……
i presonally thing Geraldo is an embarrassment to the US- i wish someone would just take the microphone away- he is an injustice to our freedom of speech- frigging ambulance chaser hiding behind our constitution!!!!
Marie, firstly I was addressing the point that this girl went missing on the island, my understanding is and I’ve heard this story over and over again this week, is the last person who saw Amy Bradley alive was her brother when she returned late from the island and he said she went out on the balcony outside their cabin…….now of course one can speculate that she was snatched as she was wandering around the boat etc.
otherwise I’m just using the same logic as in this case, and you know what, a good police investigative team assumes everyone is a suspect, even every single family member, and when you do, you are less likely to miss what could be crucial evidence, now presumably the brother was eliminated as a suspect, but if the same Caribbean keystone cops were investigating that disappearance as this one, who knows….
michael john is about to come on the today show again
i see- maybe if her brother was black they would have kept him in jail for a few weeks- becasue there is no way it could have been a dutchman….
(sarcastic)
sounds like Joran has the typical liberal laissez faire Dutch parents – I mean when you go out underage drinking and underage gambling with your father….
not my parent’s generation, of course, who are Dutch but moved to Canada in the 1950′s wave, who are part of the old Europe that grew up in the Depression and World War II, and therefore are more conservative
marie, sad but true huh
you know if what happened to those security guards happened in the US, there would be riots and you’d have Mark Geragos already repping both security guards in the big lawsuit for malicious prosecution, the papers would have been filed already
maaaan, my parents wouldnt even let me pierce my ears ’till i turned 15 …never mind drink, go to the casino and etc
SoutherninUS–I think you’ve hit on why this case is so compelling, for me at least. As a southern girl who’s just a few years older that Natalee, I’ve done my time on the Caribbean spring break circuit as well, and have probably been too friendly and trusting just like she may have been. I’ve discussed this case with many friends who agree with me that it could happen to any girl with a big smile and a friendly personality, who’s on a vaction to have fun with her friends and flirt with boys. She just picked the wrong boys to get in the car with.
It’s so sad that being less trusting of people is a lesson we have to learn, but maybe this case will make future girls like Natalee think twice before making tragic mistakes stemming from the belief that nothing bad will happen to them. I pray for Natalee’s family and friends–and for justice to be done to those who may have hurt her.
Oh GOD yeah, there would have been the BIGGEST roit over this and all the big ACLU and etc Civil liverties everyone in an uproar…
well guys- have to go get some work done- take care and keep the fingers crossed for some news- some peace of mind for that poor family and the kind folks in aruba ( not all of them but the nice ones- which i have learned from here is NOT all Arubians)
http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/2005/06/16/blacklist.shtml
“Caribbean Net News has also learnt that there is a ‘shark’s den’ on one side of the island and FBI agents have developed an interest in the area. The sharks are reportedly fed daily in that location to keep tourists safe on the other side.”
This is scary!
I thought the daily shark feeding was a thing of the past and not done anymore.
Having said that, if I wanted to get rid of a body I would do it on the rough side of the island which is where the feeding site was.
According to Charles Montaldo yesterday in the about.com crime news page, yesterday’s search was the first official search in a week.
“New Search Launched for Natalee Holloway…Dozens of police officers launched a new search today in Aruba for clues in the disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway in a brushy between the Marriott Inn and the beach that is known locally as a lover’s-lane area…No official searches have been conducted by police in more than a week in the case. Only volunteers have been searching for the honor student in the past week until the new developments in the case today.”
posted June 14 2005 at http://crime.about.com/b/a/177457.htm
This whole thing makes me mad. This should have been solved along time ago. Just think if this was president Bush’s daughter that had gone missing. This would have been solved in no time. I don’t care what their laws are. It is an american that is missing – our people should take control of the situation and bring who ever is responsible for this back to the U.S. and take care of him our way. Aruba is not used to dealing with these types of situations – they rarely ever do. So why would anyone thing that they can deal with this. I remember seeing on the news yesterday the boy that found the pair of panties and he is waiving them through the air like he had found a prize. This could be evidence that probably is worth nothing now. Our government should be down there taking control. We all pay alot of money to taxes and alot of that money is waisted for no reason. This is a good of example of how our money could be spent well. Why can’t our government put up a million dollar reward. If I had a lot of money I sure would put up a good chunk to go towards a reward.
Rick: where did you see the thing about Joran and the 14 year old ?
does no one think to search the sand…he could have buried her deep down…
I believe that Aruban officials have blood on their hands as well as their beaches. I would not visit Aruba, if tourism is such a big part of their economy they should do what is right in this case, whether it is someone of priviledge or someone of poverty. It could very easily be your daughter or loved one or my daughter or loved one. Natalie Holloway should be the one put first here, everyday I have to search deeper in to the news for any reports, her face is not on the headlines anymore, as the media forgets so do the people, she will be Amy Bradley soon (if you are saying who? then my point is proven) even if I had a booked reservation paid for I would not go except to help search maybe. This is wrong and to look the other way and still visit Aruba is wrong, nothing motivates as a kick to the pocketbook, let Aruba feel the effect of a drop in tourism as America’s way of saying we care about all of our Americans and we will not support a country that will not give up it’s guilty. Going to Aruba gives continued support of their actions. If anyone goes there let it be to help the family of this missing girl, take a poster and stand in front of their justice system asking “Where is Natalie?” If interest dies in this case, the hope of finding her dies with it and the people who committed the crime or have knowledge of it walk free to be among you while you vacation. Who could go to Aruba and feel content with a killer, kidnapper, slave trader, rapist, or whatever that person is walking among you.
I believe that Aruban officials have blood on their hands as well as their beaches. I would not visit Aruba, if tourism is such a big part of their economy they should do what is right in this case, whether it is someone of priviledge or someone of poverty. It could very easily be your daughter or loved one or my daughter or loved one. Natalie Holloway should be the one put first here, everyday I have to search deeper in to the news for any reports, her face is not on the headlines anymore, as the media forgets so do the people, she will be Amy Bradley soon (if you are saying who? then my point is proven) even if I had a booked reservation paid for I would not go except to help search maybe. This is wrong and to look the other way and still visit Aruba is wrong, nothing motivates as a kick to the pocketbook, let Aruba feel the effect of a drop in tourism as America’s way of saying we care about all of our Americans and we will not support a country that will not give up it’s guilty. Going to Aruba gives continued support of their actions. If anyone goes there let it be to help the family of this missing girl, take a poster and stand in front of their justice system asking “Where is Natalie?” If interest dies in this case, the hope of finding her dies with it and the people who committed the crime or have knowledge of it walk free to be among you while you vacation. Who could go to Aruba and feel content with a killer, kidnapper, slave trader, rapist, or whatever that person is walking among you.
As times goes on,we get less closer to the finding this nice girl. I feel so badly for the family , there is absultely no deeper pain than loosing or wondering where you child might be. I have lost a 22 yr.old daughter.I know. I pray from bottom of my heart that she could be found. The investigations should been on going.Things needed to be checked out immediately. I do believe in cover up. Have we not seen it in our justice system? of course we have. Now all these investigations is going on under a nose of someone whose interests are in conflict of interests. The father, the son.The family should stay there and see to it that everything is done right. The history of the son gives me a very bad feeling. God bless the family and friends, may all these wondering end up to see sweet face of Natalee.
“Just think if this was president Bush’s daughter that had gone missing. This would have been solved in no time.”
I couldn’t disagree anymore with this statement. The only reason that THIS much of attention has been given to this case (instant and constant news media, teams of FBI agents coming from the US, DEA agents, diving teams, etc etc etc) is BECAUSE OF who this girl is! She came from an exclusive SUPER affluent richman’s-land neighborhood, and her family has MANY rich and powerful contacts. The fact that she is white, attractive and rich (
jss posted above:
“Just think if this was president Bush’s daughter that had gone missing. ”
This family and girl are getting huge resources from the US and TV etc.
Almost every one of us …in our larger cities at least… woke up this AM…and likely read about (or on local TV) another murder or child abduction etc.
Its good for Natalie’s family but there is no question that blond affluent blue eyed girls get more notice and resources
The fact that she is white, attractive and rich (
Truth
Get back in line at the soup kitchen. Public Aide check didn’t come in the mail today?
It deleted half my post, twice!
In regards to:”Just think if this was president Bush’s daughter that had gone missing. This would have been solved in no time.”
I couldn’t disagree anymore with this statement. The only reason that THIS much of attention has been given to this case (instant and constant news media, teams of FBI agents coming from the US, DEA agents, diving teams, etc etc etc) is BECAUSE OF who this girl is. She came from an exclusive SUPER affluent richman’s-land neighborhood, and her family has MANY rich and high-ranking contacts. The fact that she is white, attractive and rich (
Lydia, you’re an idiot.
I don’t know why it won’t acceopt my entire post, I will try once again, without any spaces
It deleted half my post, twice!
I couldn’t disagree anymore with this statement. The only reason that THIS much of attention has been given to this case (instant and constant news media, teams of FBI agents coming from the US, DEA agents, diving teams, etc etc etc) is BECAUSE OF who this girl is. She came from an exclusive SUPER affluent richman’s-land neighborhood, and her family has MANY rich and high-ranking contacts. The fact that she is white, attractive and rich – mainly that last one – I firmly believe is the reason so much attention has gone to this. If this was a black girl from a poor town in America, it may not have even made the nwes, or if it did, it would have died out. They wouldn’t have sent investigative teams from America, etc.
You have to be naive to think that her family’s status and connections haven’t played a HUGE role in how aggressively this has been pursued from the American side.
It’s sad to say that, but I firmly believe it holds water. Unfortunately, that is the world we live in, still filled with prejudices for some, and inherent advantages for others.
Your comment about “if it were Bush’s daughter, it would have been solved immediately” is so inaccurate and ironic that it is comical.
Sorry about the multiple posts, I had an arrow in there that was causing it to end abruptly. The last one has my entire post, without the quote it was referring to though. Sorry for the duplicates.
I still feel that one of the most likely sceanrios is that they used GHB in her drink (which has been known to have adverse effects on some people, to the extent that many people have killed themselves using it). They took her to the beach and her heart stopped and she died. Freaking out, they decided to hide the body.
Or I think it is likely that this was a consentual sexual act and/or a date rape turned into murder. *shrugs* They both seem to hold water to me, though obviously that is just my opinion, no one can know for sure.
I just hope the truth comes out, and if it is those kids, that they rot in prison for it.
Jacki: you mentioned the best thing is to boycott the turism. This will put them on action. When people travel they tend to relax on everyday concerns and worries.That how our trusting young people end up in this bad judgement. It is Aruba’s responsibility to answere to this very bad situation.
I think a lot of the publicity is because she is pretty and smart and people don’t expect bad things to happen like that to nice girls. It does and all parents need to let their children know everytime they go out of the door, that bad things do happen, even to them. They always talk about more sex education in schools, I think they need more awareness of crime.
regarding comments about Natalee’s family being “rich”, that may be misleading as well. It is true that the MountainBrook area of Birmingham is more affluent, but this is also a public high school that has students from various circumstances. Case in point it isn’t likely her mother would choose to teach, if she didn’t have to work – or she might but it’s not the impression of those of us living in the south, that they are “affluent” or “rich”. It is likely they are a middle class family.
her parents knew how to contact media and tap into contacts they had, to gain assistance with the search. Perhaps there is a lesson within that, but honestly it’s probably not pure money driving this. Yes she is pretty and obviously very bright, but many teachers who aren’t paid nearly equal to what they contribute, raise children who are committed to their educations.
in many of cases of disappearances often those found murdered had no one checking to see if they were home on curfew or even caring to pursue them night & day if ever they ran away from home. idealistically any parent who has a child would do those things, but this is reality – many do not.
Check out any number of missing people websites and you will find numerous mysterious disappearences through out the whole world. No Country is immune to this, and as sad as it is, people go missing every day . Of course not everyone gets the coverage this case is getting. Of course my heart goes how to her family and friends and hope there is a resolution to the case soon. But I am also sure that other families who have missing loved ones would be estatic to get even 1/10th of the attention she is getting. Guess my point is that this missing case is important but shouldn’t be any more important than the thousands of missing people who go missing every single day.
“Guess my point is that this missing case is important but shouldn’t be any more important than the thousands of missing people who go missing every single day.”
Exactly. The clout of her family (and yes, they are very affluent) and their contacts (likely many politcal contacts) is a large reason US law enforcement has been so involved. Do you think they send FBI teams out to look for every missing person? Pffft, yeah right! And her being white, and attractive is a big part of the reason for the media press. Its not her fault, its not a criticism to her or her family, heavens no, its just reality.
Same story with the Peterson case. Wives get murdered almost everyday, yet when it is a rich white girl from Modesto, the world stops.
I am pondering this statement:
John said Kalpoe told him the brothers figured Holloway would turn up “a few days after, in some crack house or beach bar.”
This was said after Kalpoe admitted the previous stoy about dropping her off at the Holiday Inn was a lie. So this was not an elaboration on that make believe.
My thoughts on this:
1. When did the brothers (but not Van der Sloot) have this discussion? Was it after VDS and Natalee had left the car to be alone? Is that when Natalee did not want to leave the car? Was that after they had all driven off leaving Natalee somewhere?
2. Why was the presumed timespan a few days and not the next morning? Did they know that whatever she had ingested would take that much time to wear off? That does not sound like a hangover.
3. Why did they think that she would be alone and not with VDS? Was it because they knew VDS had to be at an exam the next morning? Was this the usual behavour of VDS?
4. They seem to know that crack houses exist in Aruba. Where are the
they? Near a beach bar?
5. Wasn’t the only murder in Aruba last year drug related? Where did that happen? Was it investigated or ignored? If you are murdered in Aruba do the police shrug it off as a drug related death?
The statement implies, to me, that the brothers knew that she had been given a powerful drug, was left somewhere alone and was abandoned by VDS (and them). There doesn’t seem to be any remorse or concern. Or
maybe it is just another lie.
Anybody have an opinion?
cheryl johnson: you cant be sayin things like the dutch suck. at least they have tried anything to find her! its cnn who comes with the wrong information all the time because they just gettin desperate. i live in the netherlands but i am a arubian girl. well let me tell you somethin at least arubian peolple are raised not to get in a car with 3 guys you dont know drunk and somewhere you havent been before. no dissrespect for her family because i care to and search the web for information to the whole day. but that poor girl should have known better.so ik hope they find her soon so she could get her peace because one thing is for sure nobody deverses what she has been through. whatever that may be.
Dank je wel dutch/arubian woman….
and one more thing. aruba have never had such a case like this. where ion the world u could say that nowadays? that should tell u somethin about my beautiful island. lett we all hope this was the first and last time and that peoplo who go on vacation in the future will think more straight after you get drunk and decide to take a ride for somebody u have none how long? so i tellin everybody not to blame aruba for this because the earth didnt open and swallow her alive. i dont wanna hurt people with my words but i got kind of a point and all u guys out there are thinkin it.
graag gedaan! want het moet gezegd worden!
Here’s how I feel about this situation:
I travel some outside of the US. I’ve never been to Aruba, but I’ve always wanted to go there.
So, if Natalee comes home, one way or the other, AND there is a legimate conviction, then I’m willing to view Aruba just as I have in the past.
But if that does not happen, then I will spend my money and my time elsewhere. There are some places that my “gut feeling” says to stay away from. That’s how I judge other tourist destinations.
May Gods mercy be with the Holloway family.
Dutch Arubian Woman, how do you know she was not drugged or knew the other two boys were in the car. A lot of the other kids rode with locals too because they were nice to them. Maybe because you people say constantly it is such a non violent island, they were not careful. I also saw kids from Ohio being filmed and they said they were going to Carlos and Charlies and didn’t care what their parents said. That was disrespectful to the Hollaway family…
i know that she was drunk because i rather believe my family over there who spoke to enough people there that she came out of the club drunk instead of cnn with there miss perfect story because nobody is perfect. well if u say she was drugged maybe she was but wich girl in 2005 doesnt know that u should not leave ur drink standin for people to put something in it. and about the other kids who drove with locals because there were so nice they all made the same mistake natalee made but for them it ended good. so i still say how ignorant could u be to get in a car without ur friends with strangers and without knowing them ; she was there for 5 days even if she knew them from day one what do you really know about them! but i know she only knew them for 2 days so im not sayin things without knowing what im talking about.
I found on web a site about bible code. There is a sectiom on Natalee Holloway’s disappearance and where she might be. It’s interesting reading and maybe something is true.
http://www.revelation13.net/KingJames2c.html
Robert,
I would say that this simply defies logic and common sense, and that one must be REALLY gullible and naive to put ANY credence in this. But, instead, I am going to lower my maturity level and say… this is the stupidest thing I have ever read in my life!
Robert,
I went to that website. I think there are many possibilities and you could pretty much come up with anything you wanted to from that jumbled mess of letters. I had a dream about the #’s 42, and something to do with a monkey (or gorrilla) and bushes that looked like Bonsai trees, a turtle, the #’s 93 and 94 . Natalie Holloway has been on my mind heavily since this happened, but my dream makes about as much sense as that website. Sorry.
I believe it’s very good that this case got into the World’s Media attention.Maybe this way other prevous cases will be solved, because I am sure there are.
I have the feeling that Aruba’s gov is hiding something. I think the gov knows what’s has been going on and the fact that hi-level VIP’s of Aruba are involved, the gov is trying to cover up. I hope this time , the case will be solved and the other girl from 1998 will be found too and maybe others.
Another possibil idea: maybe she was drugged, passed out and the boys got scared and threw her out of the car. They left and they don’t really know what has happened, but it would nice for them to say where they dropped her off.
Aruba boycot: tourist numbers are actually great. Tourist wanna go check out C&C and the lighthouse.
Also: Wealthy family or family with connections: if your daughter would be lost would you think a reward of US 5000 would do? Family itself possibly assumed she was only missing because the posters hangin all over aruba say: “Natalee, please call Mommy.”
Reward is $55,000.00 not $5,000.00.
Probable, an average middle class family being helped by a truly caring society. A missing child should be brought home regardless of whether he/she is dead or alive, for closure.
http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/2005/VNNB/natholloway675.htm
The father of the missing Amy bradley is interviewed at length in the bottom most right hand download. The full story. very similar to Holloway case. White slavery, Aruba a rathole run by drug lords, all kinds of evil.
the reward now posted by AmSouth Bank in B’ham is $150,000 for “safe” return of Holloway girl.
A tragedy and things go wrong and get worse, lots of non Americans are hurt in America. What hoo ha do they get! it is a crying shame she let her hair down that nite and what friends or people from the same college would watch this scene play out shame on all of them, bet they were envious of her cos she was bright and had the looks . may she rest in peace who ever did this or if she choked on her vomit dead men really tell no tales god be with her
One of the Boys said something Bad happened to Natalee, Like What and Why is he not coming Clean. He knows something. Bring him to the Usa and we’ll Deal with him personally.
i think all these stories r just terrible there is more to it it seems like i dont understand it and u know i was thinking one night watching this on tv young and old tourist like to visit and see and learn new cultures but it doesnt seem safe to do that so i agree this is going to stop alot tourist……………….and i dont understand the laws there they r way diffrent than ours but i hope they figure this out soon for the family ….and i think also it is nonsense why would a youg girl decide to run away in a place she didnt know anything about and i have one more comment why does it seem like it is ok for those 3 boys to change thier stories all the time i just dont get it……….god be with her and her family……wish u the best
what about the fishermen that saw her that night we heard nomore of them or is that bs.why is there no reward as of yet i bet that will get the boys talking. nat father says that there is some real investigation problems. cant wait to hear about the whole cover up that will come out of this.
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