RSSMissing Madeleine McCann Shocker … Kate McCann Named as Suspect in Maddys Disappearance
COULD IT REALLY BE?
4 year old Madeleine McCann has been missing for 4 months. In a bizarre twist of events, Portuguese police have named Madeleine’s mother, Kate McCann, a suspect in her daughter’s disappearance.
REALLY? OR ANOTHER BOTCHED INVESTIGATION?
Could the McCann’s actually be suspects or is this another case of a foreign botched investigation and a blaming of parents? The actions of the McCann’s hardly fit the MO of past parents who have been responsible for their children’s deaths or disappearance.
Update I: Gerry McCann, the father of missing Madeleine also expected to be named a suspect as well. Discuss in the Scared Monkeys Missing Persons Forum.
Posted September 7, 2007 by Scared Monkeys Bizarre, Child Welfare, Missing Persons, WTF | 94 comments |
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This is hard to believe. It sounds like the police want to close the case at any cost, even blame the mother.
The brits police located the blood evidence,Unlike Aruba the Port police welcomed Scotland Yards help!!!If Aruba would have turned loose the FBI Natalees case may have been solved and no boycott would have ever been menitioned.But since they didn’t!!!THE BOYCOTT ROLL’s ON!!!LOL
I’m Portuguese and I live in Portugal.
My English is very poor ,but I would like to tell everyone that I do not believe that Maddie’s mum is guilty.
Unfortunately I live in a country where Citizien ‘s rights do not exist.Here Police can do what they want.(most of the time they do not do anything).You can be a suspect only because you watch a crime or if you are a friend or a relative of someone involved in a crime.When you try to help Police or answer Police questions many times they try to force you to confess a crime that you did not do. (many times Police use aggressive methods).If you have a good lawyer and lots of money is very easy to be declared not guilty;The problem of many innocent people in Portugal is no money to have a good defence in Court; in Portugal you find lots of people that are freed after a long time in jail ,and they were Innocents.
During many time I have believed that I was living in Europe but unfortunately I live in South America or in Africa.
From http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6982969.stm:
Family spokeswomen Justine McGuinness told the BBC why the police were now treating Mrs McCann as a suspect.
She said: “They believe they have evidence to show that in some way she’s involved in the death of her daughter, which of course is completely ludicrous. They have suggested that blood has been found in a hire car that they hired 25 days after Madeleine was taken.”
I find it very upsetting that this poor family is suffering even more. Can’t even imagine the pain they are all going through and do not believe that either of them are responsible for Maddie’s death. This is simply horrible. Having looked at Kate’s face for the last 4 months, the pain that is visibly etched there I cant imagine that she could be guilty. Only the coldest murdered would not have broken up under the constant media scrutiny.
It’s a good thing they are now suspects. Media attention is good for them in their story. I always thought the Holloways should have been more confrontational in attracting a slander suit or an arrest in Aruba.
If they are innocent, the police in Portugal are headed to Dompig/van der straaten land.
I thought “only in Aruba could police be so corrupt and incompetent”. Apparently not.
Thanks VERY much for your input jio. I am very, sorry it is like that in your country of Port.
I am correct in that the car was rented 25 days AFTER she was missing? Oh MY GOD!!! If I may say so…WTF?? May I also please suggest seeing who rented it in the time-span between the day Maddy was missing and 25 days later?
I am at a loss. When does THAT happen?
Brenda
I really hate to burst ya’lls bubble, but would someone please tell me what RESPONSIBLE PARENT(S) leaves their children ALONE, asleep at a hotel while they (the parents) go out to eat blocks away??? No parent in their right mind would leave their children unattended, EVER!! Talking about “CHILD NEGLECT”, this is a prime example…
Susan, no one here is really going to disagree with that, but please do understand they thought they were very safe. I know it was a bad decision, but they did stress had they ever thought such a thing could happen, they’d never have left them.
The fact these police are trying to say they outright were 100% responsible for her death I cannot and will not believe until I see positive proof. What they have is a red herring, so to speak.
Go read the posts ok Daily UK. They’re fighting pretty good over there about this one.
Brenda
Susan, it’s called SELFISHNESS.
Brenda – That’s the problem, Maddy’s parents apparently weren’t thinking when they left their 3 children, ages 3 and 2, ALL ALONE
If the parents had’ve been using their lame brains, maybe, just maybe, Maddy would be with them today! Shame on both of them for being so damn irresponsible! Hopefully the authorities will take the twins into custody for their safety and place them into a good home with loving, caring parents…
I do think the parents made a mistake in leaving their children in that room alone; however, I think it is very arrogant for everyone to sit in judgement of these people. I venture to say that anyone that is a parent has had some type of misjudgement in raising their children. Anyone that denies this is lying to themselves and everyone else. We were just fortunate that our children were not harmed due to our ignorance. Just as in the case of Natalee Holloway, had the family known Natalee would be harmed they would have never allowed their daughter to go on that trip. Hindsight is always 20/20.
I find it outrageous that you people doubt the Portuguese police. After all, if there is incriminating evidence, that comes from the analysis done at British labs, and field research with British dogs trained to trace the odor of dead bodies. What else do you need to prove impartiality? We’re not talking here of police investigations like the one done when Menezes was killed by police in London’s subway, where police lied all the way through to cover their tracks. After all, if the British dogs and labs point in the direction of the McCann couple, what do you expect Portuguese police to do? Serve them tea?
Just like Aruba. Blame the victim’s mother. How low can you go ?
Susan…yes it was lame. But to charge them with murder? Come on now! Get real! Would be the same as charging Natalie’s mom with murder because she let her daughter go to an island that would server her alcohol at her age….which is how whatever was slipped to her.
In addition..to take away those twins after what they have endured is such morbid thinking. Susan..come on! No way would they ever be left unattended after what happened to Maddy!
And to Brit…please read poster #3 who is FROM Portugal. I am inclined to take someone’s word who LIVES there. They say corrupt. Those who have BEEN TO ARUBA say..police are corrupt. I believe them.
Anyone here who thinks Maddy’s parents haven’t been wrought with grief, remorse, and self-hatred may want to think again.
Brenda
#14 Couldn’t agree with you more.
Regarding parents leaving young children alone. I recall a couple at a hotel bar in SC that left their 4 month old daughter in the hotel room, sleeping while they were belting em down. NO they did not have a baby monitor.
I don’t get it….nothing is more important than our children, no dinner, no drinks, no nothing.
See now with regard to the McCann’s, they have put themselves in a bind by going out for dinner and leaving the kids behind, let alone in another country,
Well rumour has it that Madeleine’s blood was found in the car one of the parents rented 25 days after she was reported missing.Lets wait and see how things develop.
Brenda – Yes, charge the parents with murder, child abandonment, and obstruction of justice, whether mom accidentally killed Maddy or not. Lock them in the deepest, darkest dungeon, throwing away the key for the crimes they’ve committed against their own flesh and blood!! Taking the twins away is for their own safety and survival. Maddy’s parents are unfit!
Please, there is no comparison between Maddy’s and Natalee’s disappearance. Different set of circumstances indeed. At least Natalee was 18 years old and could have defended herself (that is until she was slipped drugs in her drink). Beth Twitty did nothing wrong by allowing her daughter to go to Aruba on a class trip.
We are talking about a 3 year old innocent, defenseless child here! You are the one who needs to wise up and get real
Cheerio mate!
I believe over on the other side, ppl leave their kids in strollers outside while they eat..I know its strange and we would never do it but they do and as a mater of fact it was in the papers here a few years back…I dont know if you all remember. They do things different there..but as a Mom to kill your child??? Come on…and these are Doctors that have taken that oath they take about saving lives..I will believe it when I see it.
From the US State Department: In 2004 the IGAI received 17 complaints linked to arbitrary arrests, which were duly investigated.
Brenda, just because someone says they are from portugal on a blog doesn’t mean they actually are. Only 17 reported out of a country with 11 million people. Pretty low. I think #3 in fos – imo. For someone with “very poor english” it’s amazing how well they write some of their sentences.
I believe she is going to be charged with murder because of the forensic evidence examined by Great Britian points right to her. At least that’s the way I’m reading it today.
Take those kids away now.
Better safe than sorry don’t cha think?
I hope their PR machine can turn the tide. I predicted a backlash months ago.
http://www.markborkowski.com/?p=7001
Yoyo ,I live in Portugal and please come here and watch what I see every day.
Over here we live in a Stalinist Democracy ;everything is too much controlled since we have this stupid socialist government.Many of my Friends over here are from former Soviet Union and they tell me that never were so controlled like here.I lived in Africa when I was a kid ,I worked in France and Italy and I often travel abroad ,special for Spain.Yes my English is poor ,because I speak fluently French ,and Italian.
As I said before Polícia Judiciária is investigating the kidnapping/murder of Maddie .I know how they work.They want results and for that they do the “best”.And the best is try to break resistance of “suspects”.(A few inspectors from Polícia Judiciária (the elders)came from the former Portuguese Secret Police after the Revolution in 1974).But the important over here is to know that all of us over here have RIGHTS and most of the times we want to ask for our rights.Where they are?
If The McCann were Portugueses be sure that the Police Treatment was not a “VIP treatment”.
Probably they went on jail and be sure they will not be very well treated
“…Mr McCann’s sister, Philomena, claimed the Portuguese police had offered Kate McCann a “deal” if she made a confession…”
“…What the Portuguese police have tried to do is get Kate to confess that she accidentally killed Madeleine,” she told BBC News…”
My sentiments exactly, yoyo! If mom killed Maddy, take the other two children now before she “accidentally” kills them too!
Does anyone know if Maddy’s body was ever found? And how do the authorities in England know it was Maddy’s blood in the rental car 25 days later?
Here we go again, “judge, jury, and executioner” all wrapped up in one
And why can’t people blame the victim’s mother and/or father? In the US for child drownings we charge parents with all sorts of things, including manslaughter. You gotta look at the factors of negligence. Just inattention for a brief moment, that happens. 45 minutes while eating dinner hundreds of yards away…that’s different.
As a parent you have an obligation to create a safe environment for your children.
There are consequences for placing a child in harm’s way.
I have always thought the parents story was a little hinky. I would not be suprised if one of them killed her and both tried to cover it up.
For those of you that don’t believe that a)parents can kill their children or B) Doctors can’t kill people well, that’s just silly. Parents and family aquaintances do injure and kill children- more so than total strangers. It happens every day.
Just because these parents look normal and present a good tv picture doesn’t mean that they aren’t actually evil to the core.
#20, what exactly do you mean by the other side? If you mean across the waters here in Europe…UMMMM NOOOOO…I have yet to see children in their strollers outside of some restaurant waiting on their parents to come back from having their meal. Yes of course you have the few that are selfish enough to do something that outrageous, but this is not just the other side, this is world wide. I for one…would NEVER leave my child anywhere alone, just to be able to go do what I want. There are too many sickos in this world……to even let your child out of your own eyesight for 2 minutes nowadays is a crime in my eyes.
I have yet to understand and I know I never will….how anyone can leave their 4yrs old in a room and go out to dinner somewhere! I don’t care if the dinner is 2 rooms away. That just is not right!!!!!
Please. Who didn’t see this? The story was bogus from the beginning.
Tooooo bad that law don’t apply in Aruba. A failed judge in training, a lawyer and a person who worked for the govt for years, takes his underage son gambling and drinking to a casino in Aruba, goes home and leaves his underage son gambling and drinking in Aruba and we all know what followed. A club that gave an underage person a VIP pass and allowed an underage person to buy drinks.
Haven’t seen nothing to make me believe the parents did anything yet. I will wait to see the news and stories that follow. I heard them say it’s common to do that in Portugal to dine outside like that and leave your kids in the room. Low crime they said. Was on the news today. I truly don’t know what the parents involvement was yet.
here in the US, you cant leave a toddler alone for 5 minutes in a car in plain sight much less THREE kids by themselves in a hotel room… that seems very, VERY odd to me especially for TWO doctors! If the police are corrupt, it would seem they would not have invited the British police in to help.
It seems wierd that the parents say that Madeleine was in the room with the other two children and everybody believes this,could it be that the child was missing before they even put the other two children to bed,and that they time shifted the actual event that may of actually happened.
What time was it that Madeleine McCann was actually last seen by either the staff or friends that were with them,or is this to far fetched or is it that everybody does’nt want to look past this part of the “STORY”
obviously, she was killed by a sedative administered by the mother. The other children never woke up through the whole ordeal so they had been sedated to. What kind of people sedate their children?
First: the blood flecks found in the room of the apt. the McCann’s rented when Maddy went missing was not found until months later and after several other people had rented the apt. There is NO change of custody for this evidence. It could be a plant of someone who wanted the McCann’s to shut up.
Next, we do not know if there is the same problem with the chain of custody of the DNA supposedly found in the car. Why on earth would parents tote around the body of a child that had been dead for over 5 weeks (they didn’t rent the car until then)? That doesn’t make sense. Where had they hid the body in the mean time?
Leaving Maddy and her siblings alone was not a good thing – it was a bad mistake. I agree with those that say “how many parents have done dumb things while raising their children?”.
I left my daughter (then 4) in a car in 1978 while I ran into the bread store (all windows across the front so I could see the car). All of a sudden I see my car rolling backwards across the parking lot. Fortunately I was out of the store and in the car to pull the break (she accidentally kicked off) before the car rolled into traffic. Dumb? Yep – in hindsight it was really stupid, but at the time it seemed like it would be a lot faster, not disturb her and I could see her and the car all the time.
What if a fire would of broken out in the hotel….those kids left alone….what if the kids woke up and couldn’t find their parents….I don’t know how you could leave your hotel room and not think of those things…that never should of happened….how could you close the door behind you…maybe they had done this before and someone was watching….now their daughter is missing..
It is not a new or novel concept that parents have been responsible for the deaths of their children. However, there is usually a pattern of events or actions that take place.
Parents who have killed their children do not normally, if ever, make it a point to be media spectacles. They keep a lower profile. They do not meet with the Pope or visit the US.
Also, people had to have been interviewed as to when Madeleine was last seen.
R
It just does not smell right.
I would like to make a couple of points.
If you have followed the Natalee Holloway case you should remember that Dumpig went around implying that the Mountbrook Kids did it,Beth did it,Dave did it,or Jug did it . He was trying
to devert attention away from the real Perps.
If Beth had not been a 1000 miles away from Aruba
when Natalee disappeared she would been in the same place that Kate Mccann and her husband are in NOW. The McCann case has some of the earmarks of the Holloway Case.
I am beginning to think that TRAVEL to any foreign Country is full of more dangers than a
person Can imagine.
All my vacations will be in the USA from now on.
I think the parents were very careless, but I don’t think they killed their daughter, you can see the stress on Kate, just like Beth….and 25 days later they rented a car and blood was found..sounds like a plant to me….same thing as with the apartment…somebody was watching knowing where they were and knew the kids were unattended…
Maggie – that first papagraph is just too easy to flip around to the “other” side, if you will, I won’t even bother. Maggie, not everything revolves around Aruba/etc. This case is wholly different and should be treated as such.
#36 – a parent that kills their child is not “normal”. I am pretty sure you agree.
imo – I believe the british and portugese police have pieced together the forensics and solved this. Its now just a matter of getting a confession. Mama will break before the weekend’s over.
I agree there’s something wrong with parents who leave 3 young babies alone and go out to dinner, in a resort area no less! It’s not like they were home where they might know the neighbors even.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the dinner was after something bad happened to Maddie.
The mom made no sense when she spoke early on about how they and the twins would miss their Maddie…she didn’t even call her her daughter, or say the twin’s sister….Maddie was talked about like a thing.
Certain parents due to stupidity or carelessness do kill their own. Call it Darwinism, 2 mothers left their new born to die in their car within a week, One in Ocoee Fl. So just because their parents they are not above suspicion, don’t you guys watch crime solvers, usually the murder suspect is someone in the family.
Is it possible the parents are being called suspects to further questioning about other people they where with that night? Another theory would be, someone living in a villa close by is well known in the village, thus, they are being protected.
YOYO you effin TROLL go crawl back under a rock where you belong.
I don’t believe for a minute it is the parents. And assuming it was a stranger who abducted her, can you even fathom the guilt they are going through? For the rest of their lives, if they don’t ever find their daughter alive, they will not only be living with the loss of the child, crushingly heartbreaking..but reliving that night over and over again thinking “if I had only”. I would think that is enough pain for 2 parents who made a bad decision, some of you need to lighten up and show some compassion and empathy instead of attcking these people who are going through a literal, living hell!!
Blood in the car over 25 days later? Sounds awfully fishy to me, and we learned from Aruba what a tourist community is willing to do to get the grieving parents and media out of Dodge so they can continue lining their pocketbooks. Why isn’t anyone attacking the fact that this community had a rash of break-ins right before Maddie dissappeared and yet the community and tourists were never warned!! Sound familiar? It is easy to be lulled into a false sense of security while on vacation in “paradise”, we have learned this the hard way with Natalee. I doubt for ONE SECOND if the Mccanns had known there were recent break-ins at the resort, they would have felt safe enough to leave their children sleeping in their bedroom.
Lastest headline reads – “Parents of missing girl eager to go home”? Ya betcha!! Maddy’s parents are having a major anxiety attack right about now, They are ready to get the hell out of Dodge, but let’s hope they will not be released until the mystery behind Maddy’s disappearnce is solved. I believe they are responsible for Maddy’s disappearance
I was shocked to hear the mom gave Maddy a sedative and she apparently died from an overdosed
What kind of parent sedates their child? Sounds like they’ve broken their hippocritic (sp) oath! More like Drs. Jekyl and Mr/Mrs. Hyde…
YoYo, I beg to differ. I smell Aruba all over again. Well with after thought, maybe you are right, Aruba didn’t do near as much in their efforts to find Natalee as Portugal has done, but the bottom line is the same. When you can’t solve the case, blame the parents. This also happened in the JonBenet case in CO.
You all remember Aruba’s latest theories about the mysterious hospital plane that spirited Natalee off into the sunset. Same as Portugal. It’s simply not fair to assume the parents killed their daughter just because they made a horrible decision to leave the sleeping kids. Do remember they reported checking on the kids numerous times – but it still was a very bad decision.
I agree that parents who killed their kid didn’t run around the world drawing attention to themselves. And I agree that you can see on their faces that they didn’t kill Maddy. They are both Doctors and I just don’t think it’s in their nature. At least the nature they’ve showed so far to the public.
Imagine how horrific it is for them, Natalee’s family and the Ramseys (Patsy is now at least at rest) to have your kid taken and then have the investigators turn on you and accuse you. I know parents have to be suspects but they should have been cleared early on. They cooperated with the police.
#44….I agree with this, in part….”I doubt for ONE SECOND if the Mccanns had known there were recent break-ins at the resort, they would have felt safe enough to leave their children sleeping in their bedroom.”
I agree you never know when you’re away from home what goes on in an area, but that’s all I agree with. Heck, it’s even scarey for adults when they go traveling not to know the crimes of an area they are staying in. When you stay in hotels you don’t really know if a prior guest still has a key that works to your room.
But…
No parent should leave small children unattended while they go away from the premises, not even if it’s your own home. Fires happen. Kids wake up and walk around doing things, sometimes things they know they can’t do when the parents are watching them.
Kids get hurt by such parental neglect and then often times the parents don’t want anyone to know something bad happened while they were neglecting their babies for fear the other children will be taken from them,(or their professional reputations will be ruined) so they cover up a death with a lie.
Did you ever notice how many emergency room visits -from abuse- are blamed on kids doing things they shouldn’t be doing? And every time the parent or repsonsible party will make sure to say they were WATCHING but the kid got hurt anyhow? Even child abusers know someone is supposed to be watching the kids.
I get the feeling Maddie was expected to act older than she was. I get the feeling she may have been left to babysit her sleeping twin sibs many times before. Maybe she “let” one of them get a booboo earlier and the mom or dad got mad and slugged Maddie too hard by accident while trying to ‘impress upon her’ the importance of watching the babies so they could ‘go out’ whenever they wanted to and not have to ‘worry’.
Talk about planting blood evidence doesn’t make too much sense unless the cops had found a body. So I don’t think the blood was planted. I rather think the cops didn’t do a good job in the beginning, probably because they didn’t suspect the ‘well respected doctor parents’ as much as they should have.
And so what if the blood was found in a rental car rented weeks after Maddie went missing? Sounds like a good idea to me to wait until no one would suspect you still had a body to move.
Look…these parents got an audience with the POPE! Who the heck does that when their child goes missing? What is the Pope for? Absolving of sins. That’s why the parents went to see the Pope, IMO. They, like so many religious people, felt the need to put something bad they did behind them by getting ‘forgiveness from God’ so they could get on with their lives. Whether they actually did something to Maddie or it just happened via neglect of custodial responsibility, I think they had a guilty conscience to get the Pope to clear for them. And it was OVERKILL going to the top like that! So I think what they needed to feel better about was something far worse than neglect.
#43 – I would expect nothing different from you…
#47 D-mom – that last paragraph is quite interesting. Never thought of it that way…but I think you nailed it. imo
Well you all say it can’t happen in the US..well one name Melinda duckett, and missing child Trenton Duckett. Oh and I think Nancy Grace shameless as she is is the murderer.
They can’t solve the case so just blame the parents. Where have we heard that before? The misery of loosing your child, not knowing what has happened to her and then on top of it all your a suspect.
I understand they are suing the local newspaper for publishing the fact that they are criminals. They said that it was drawing attention away from the investigation. And it would!
Someone had to be watching, maybe several. Perhaps to sell her through the black market as adoption.
Who knows where she might be.
Children need 24 hour protection and care. You have to assume they’re is always someone out to be feared.
2 years for manslaughter, IF she a agrees to it??
Seems like Aruba in Europe to me. They can’t solve it and they want it to go away.
Could the so call blood in the car have been planted there by another person to put blame on the parents?We are talking about kidnapping and most likely murder.This is very serious,whoever did this to Maddy is way out there.They have proven they would do anything.
Twenty five days later, they rent a car and then blood was found, so where would they of hidden their child for 25 days if she was dead…and so far I don’t think they have a DNA match..
What about the security at the resort, numerous break-in’s, no one held responsible and the guests were never informed, that was kept a secret. Too many keys available, management, maids, maintenance, room service, when something happens in a foreign country your always at a disadvantage…. `
nurturer, I agree with you. They can’t solve it and they want it to go away.
2 years for manslaughter. That doesn’t sound right to me. If they are sure Maddie’s mother killed her, why would they offer such a ridiculous sentence.
I hope the truth comes out about this precious child. The longer she isn’t found, the more I tend to think she is not alive. It’s just hard to accept that her parents could have anything to do with her disappearance. It doesn’t sound good that her parents left the children alone to go to dinner. These are educated people who should known better, and who should have hired babysitters. It’s all a shame, and sad.
When you have neglected your child there is always a price to pay. Apparently, what they did is not uncommon in Portugal, go to dinner close by and leave your children sleeping, since when have children become a back-seat to one’s priority. It was a very selfish thing to do, I’m sure they realize that now but it’s a little late to correct their mistake. We all this type of thing occurs everywhere and you just can’t be too careful. The last thing on their mind was probably the abduction of Maddy, even though they were at fault, I hope she’s is found alive!
This latest development seems very strange to me. The police are alleging that the parents killed the girl and reported her as being abducted in order to cover up the crime. Then, according to this theory, after five WEEKS, the parents supposedly moved the girl’s body from where it was originally hidden to an alternate location. It doesn’t make sense. Why would they risk moving the body at all? Additionally, the police should have initially considered the parents as possible suspects in accordance standard operating procdure. Assuming this to have been the case, I would have also expected the police to have had the parents under close surveillance right from the start. If so, how could the parents have moved the body while avoiding detection? It shouldn’t be possible, which seriously undermines the likelihood of the allegation. Also, the parents have remained in Portugal and maintained high public visibility. If guilty, one would have expected them to have quietly returned to the U.K. at their earliest opportunity. What we’re witnessing here, I’m afraid, is either complete incompetence from top to bottom or a loathesome attempt on the part of the police to avoid criticism by maligning the victims.
I disagree with the idea of not being able to solve the case so they just blame the parents (and plant evidence in a rental car?)….to me, this rings of what Aruba is saying people do to Joran…can’t find Natalee so blame the last one seen with her. Well, Maddie’s parents were the last people seen with Maddie! I think they should be suspects just as Joran should be.
Just like with the Natalee case, it’s bizarre to try to find some unknown person first when the last person with a missing person is usually the one who made the person go missing.
I copied this from Rampart on msn.com post page and it makes good sense.
Rampart stated: I don’t think anyone could stand up to an interrogation if they killed their own child. Even if it were an accident a parent would be so guilt ridden that they would say and do anything to get the guilt pain to stop. I’m sure the police used very harsh methods to break down the wife and get her to confess and still she says she didn’t do it. Put yourself in her place. Out of touch with her family. Away from home for months. Living day to day without knowing what the Police are going to do. Stress to the max and getting hammered with interrogation on top of it would break anybody down. I doubt if they killed their child. WHY would they do that? Makes NO sense.
joran and friends got to clean their car at 4am, and their house wasn’t searched. we’re in the era of the anti-christ. the portugese want to turn the blame back on the parents, its about a billion dollar tourism income going down the tubes. blaming parents like aruba did to natalees parents; using fox news to state natalee was a drug user by geraldo – this is work by a group of anti-christ money mongers
Mrs McCann fears she will now be charged over Madeleine’s death after Portuguese police asked her directly whether she killed her daughter.
Detectives offered her a “deal” – a guaranteed jail sentence of no more than two years – if she confessed to accidentally killing her daughter, Mr McCann’s sister Philomena McCann said. But Mrs McCann refused, saying, “How dare you, how dare you use emotional blackmail to get me to confess to something I didn’t do?”, according to ITV News.
The couple are said to be “in a state of shock but also extraordinarily angry” about the police moves. Couple plans to stay in Portugal now.
Sounds just like Aruba, blame the parents to get the heat off the police. After Greta’s video they should be able to sue FoxNews too.
I agree with some. Haven’t seen anything to make me believe the parent’s had anything to do with Maddie’s disappearance. These people have made themselves available to police at any time for questioning. They went out all over looking for her with others. I haven’t heard their stories keep changing or that they go together with others to make up stories that matched. How odd to think a family visiting in a foreign country could hide a little girls body for 25 days and then move it. This just don’t pass the smell test so far. Going to see the pope I could understand. The devastation from losing a child is horrific. I too would seek some kind of guidance to help me endure it. If I see different evidence, I could change my mind, but for now I just don’t see it. Of course the last known people with her has to be checked out. I saw Elizabeth Smart’s dad on Larry King last night. He don’t believe they had anything to do with it. He said he spoke with the father. He also said the cops have bungled this case. A woman reported right off that she saw a man running with a child. Mr. Smart said the cops didn’t even have her do a drawing/photograph to put up to see if anyone recognized him. That was done in Elizabeth Smart’s case also and they wouldn’t allow the photograph out for a long time. When they finally did ..the man was caught.
People from a foreign country, not a leg to stand on. Let’s blame our crime and corruption on them. We know this type of thing exists but we choose not to do anything about it. Just more of Aruba….Regardless of anything, they do not deserve to of had their child kidnapped, the criminals that wait on your doorstep, watching everything you do, waiting for that moment….I still give them the benefit of doubt, I do not think they killed their child and I don’t believe they thought they were in any kind of danger of being kidnapped..
Trusting…is the key word…Natalee trusted…and look what happened…I believe I’m safe…and look what happened..take advantage of those that express I don’t feel any danger..that’s because it is so well hidden…! The professionals of crime and kidnapping…!
#57
It’s called denial. And while in denial they can’t feel any real emotions…guess why. Because they are in denial.
Now it’s not some normal every day denial I’m talking about. It would be something HEAVY and the depth of denial would be balanced by how heavy the guilt was.
So, yeah, a parent could most certainly play-act whatever they needed to in order to remain in denial for their own self.
It’s not the cops the parents fear…it’s their own self. They deny to themselves first that they did anything and then all the rest is gravy.
The parents are guilty of child endangerment no matter if they killed their daughter or not.
I don’t think it’s fair to equate Portugal to Aruba as far as this case goes. In fact as far as Aruba goes, in the beginning I didn’t just take sides against Aruba and the VDS. I waited out and saw what gave me opinions that Aruba was covering up a crime and not just being stupid. Joran was of course suspect from the start, but he sealed his own fate with my opinion of him with all he did and said. At first, in the very first days of Natalee being missing I considered the possibility that she may have run off. After careful consideration of all I read I decided against that. But I did think it at first because of her broken family home that seemed to pull her between her two birth parents who didn’t seem to be very friendly with each other and maybe a too stern stepfather who had society to impress.
But like I said, I ended up not thinking Natalee ran away from anything. I still think though that the family estrangement may have made Natalee more vulnerable to the likes of Joran than a girl from a more unified family may have been.
My point is, Maddie parents could be guilty. There is not enough information out yet to make a bona fide opinion. Still for now, I’m believing the parents may have had something to do with it.
I also believe though that the Ramsey’s had something to do with Jon Benet’s death. And I believe OJ is innocent of the actual crime of murder.
I find it interesting that I am on the opposite side of the Ramsey, Simpson and McCann cases from most on here who are on the same side as I with the Natalee case.
It’s all so SAD!!!!
#65….OJ innocent? you lost me there.
I guess all innocent people take rides in the back of Broncos pointing a gun to their own heads while being chased by the police.
I say wait for more detailed DNA results on the blood found in the rental car…if it was Madeleine’s blood thats gonna look real bad especially if the test are done in Britain.
Mike Dr. Baden said they were reporting that the mom gave the child a sedative and she died. He said there would be no blood from that. He also said how would a tourist hide a body 5 weeks with all that media around and then go pick her up and take her somewhere else. He said they would wrap the body in something to put her in the trunk and there would be no blood. If she was given a sedative like was reported. Blood would be much different anyway after 5 weeks or 25 days whatever.
Amen OJ. guilty guilty guilty. Guess that’s why when he took the stand in the civil case..he was found liable for the deaths of both victims.
While I think that the parents were negligent in leaving the children alone, no matter where they were, this IS done in other countries. It may not be done in large cities, but is in the smaller towns and villages, including those in Britain. I’m not talking about leaving them outside a movie theater or a restaurant, but leaving them outside a shop while they run inside for something. Not saying I approve, but it is done. Is what they did in Portugal illegal there? If so, then ‘nuf said, they are guilty of leaving their children alone. As for the rest, I can only say I’m just not sure.
I was once in a very small bathroom in our home with my mom, sister, and 2-year-old niece. We were talking, but paying attention to her. She was standing on the closed toilet seat and I was brushing her hair. For reasons known only to her she suddenly jumped in the air and attempted to jump into the empty bathtub – hitting her mouth on the shower door track (mouth injuries — oh my God, what a lot of blood!) That was 3 adults and one small child in a very small room and we couldn’t “protect” her. I’m not absolving any kind of neglect, but sometimes but for the grace of God…
I do see this as Portugal trying to “get back” at the family for “embarassing” them to the rest of the world. It’s time for all of these police agencies, American and foreign, to forget about looking bad and calling in help when they need it. I’ve completely blanked out on the name of the boy who was abducted earlier this year and was found a few days later with the other young man (Shawn?)who had been abdudcted several years ago — sorry! Anyway, the second abduction happened in a small town, but the authorities immediately recognized that this was true, not a “runaway”, and asked for help — and look what that accomplished, the return of not one but two missing children. They certainly don’t have anything to be embarrased about because they asked for help, they should be applauded. So much of this is in the mindset of the authorities — I wouldn’t care who was looking for my child if they thought it would help.
As an aside…a question about DNA from the McCann family. I had heard that all three children were the product of IVF, but I don’t know if it was mom’s eggs and dad’s sperm, or donor sperm. If it was donor sperm (or donor eggs for that matter) would there be a way to find out what Madeline’s DNA was, i.e. if it was an anonymous donor? I’m just wondering about this, I don’t know if it applies in this case at all.
Any thoughts??
pt
#67 Mike….a person might wish to die rather than have to tell on someone they thought murdered Nicole and Ron, especially if that someone was a loved one who had threatened to, such as OJ’s son by his other wife.
I watched every boring hour of the OJ trial. There was no conclusive evidence that he murdered anyone. The cops messed crap up big time, the DNA/blood was contaminated and there were no witnesses that saw OJ there at the time. And don’t forget the bloody glove did not fit OJ.
I think the shoes were a big thing that made people think OJ did it, but OJ said he gave those shoes to Ron Shipp. So…..hmmm….what do you know about Ron Shipp?
# 70 Disgustedmon,
I believe if ABC,NBC,and CBS had filmed the killing Ron and Nicole that O J would still be walking the street a free man.
I don’t think the parents had anything to do with it. Why would they go to the trouble of bringing their daughter to Portugal with this aim in mind?
Let’s hope the Aruban police don’t pick up on this idea … blaming Beth and Dave for their daughter’s disappearance.
Oh, right, I forgot … it’s Natalee’s own fault for disappearing. No Aruban can be blamed. Yeah.
58, Jesus H. Chris, why would they do that..don’t you read your local paper? I d bet theirs an odd murder or killing right now.
I watched every boring hour of the OJ trial. There was no conclusive evidence that he murdered anyone. The cops messed crap up big time, the disgustedmom said: “DNA/blood was contaminated and there were no witnesses that saw OJ there at the time. And don’t forget the bloody glove did not fit OJ.
I think the shoes were a big thing that made people think OJ did it, but OJ said he gave those shoes to Ron Shipp. So…..hmmm….what do you know about Ron Shipp?”
SteveDinMD: There was TONS of evidence.
1) The glove actually FIT, and I found it hilarious to watch OJ pretend it didn’t. It was perhaps his most important moment as an actor.
2) As for the shoes, OJ at first claimed he would never “…own such ugly ass shoes…” WRONG! It was later discovered that he was photographed wearing them during a public appearance.
3) OJ didn’t have an alibi, and gave police numerous conflicting stories in an attempt to account for his whereabouts at the time of the murders.
4) The DNA evidence wasn’t contaminated. Barry Sheck was (mistakenly) allowed by the judge to engage in a campaign of obfuscation and deception in his lines of questioning. I paid close attention to much of Barry Sheck’s cross-examinations of prosecution witnesses, and he made no significant points, whatsoever. He DID, however, manage to confuse people unfamiliar with such technical information.
5) There supposedly WERE witnesses placing OJ at the scene, but prosecutors declined to use them in court because they accepted money from various tabloids.
6) OJ had a long history as a wife-beater and for violent fits of jealousy.
The bottom line is that OJ is GUILTY. The only reason he got off was because of racial animosity. One of the prosecutors, Darden, himself a black man, recounted that before the trial even started his own father told him he was wasting his time — “No black juror is ever going to convict OJ Simpson of killing a white woman.” The fact that police investigator Mark Furhman said the “N-word” gave the jurors all the cover they needed to wrongfully acquit a murderer.
I think the most telling development is the fact that the British couple was allowed to leave Portugal and return to the U.K. If the police actually believed them to be guily, why would they permit the culprits to escape? The simple answer is that the police DON’T actually believe the couple to be guilty. They allowed them to leave Portugal because that is precisely what they intended. The McCanns’ presence in Portugal was a continuing embarrassment to the authorities there. Now that they’re gone, the police are free to quietly drop the case, which is what they intended, I believe, after they early on concluded that they were incapable of solving it.
#74
I’m not going to argue with you, but I see things differently than you. That’s why Jury Trials are what they are….and why some places, such as Aruba, don’t use them.
#70 disgustedmom,
because of people like you murders such as OJ & Joran are walking free today, your name fits you to a T. you truly are a disguting mom.
# 70
And don’t forget the bloody glove did not fit OJ.
I think the shoes were a big thing that made people think OJ did it, but OJ said he gave those shoes to Ron Shipp. So…..hmmm….what do you know about Ron Shipp?
Facts of the OJ case.
Aris leather, size XL, the left glove was found at Bundy and the right glove was found at the Simpson residence. Nicole Brown bought a pair of Aris Light XL gloves in 1990 at Bloomingdale’s. Simpson wore Aris Light gloves from 1990 to June, 1994.
Shoe prints found at Bundy were from a size 12 Bruno Magli shoe, and bloody shoe impressions on the Ford Bronco carpet was consistent with a Bruno Magli shoe.
Simpson wore a size 12 shoe.
Photographs showing O.J. Simpson wearing Bruno Magli shoes, the same brand of shoes experts say a killer wore, were admitted as evidence in Simpson’s wrongful death trial. The civil trial was by the relatives of Goldman and Ms. Simpson.
The photographs were taken of OJ Simpson on Sept. 26, 1993, at Rich Stadium in Orchard Park, N.Y., before a Buffalo Bills game against the Miami Dolphins,
Simpson testified in the civil trial that he never owned them because they were ”ugly.”
I too watched OJ’s case.. Prosecution lost that case because Marcia Clark was more worried about her clothes and her hair, then justice it seemed. Plus, the make up of the jury and where the trial was moved to made a big difference.
I don’t put much faith in the glove trick.. I could make a glove not fit if need be.. Just like Joran with his 2 different shoe sizes. Not only were there bloody size 12 Bruno Magli shoe prints, but to the left or right side,,dont recall there were blood drops on the same side of the shoe prints. They were on the same side that OJ’s hand was cut on and he required stiches in. When the chauffeur arrived to take him to the airport, his bronco wasn’t at the house. Noone would let him in.. Later on the Bronco was parked askew by the side fence. Someone appeared walking up to the house and the front lights inside came on. One time OJ was taking a shower, then sleeping, then chipping golf balls in the dark is why he didn’t answer the page.
Back to the Maddie story, I saw the mother and father speak out and say they are being framed and they have asked that FBI from the USA take the investigation and Portugal said that’s impossible. I’m so tired of hearing this BS.. Why not let outside sources in. When they don’t it just makes it appear like Aruba. Something to hide. They are back in Britain now.
#77
Why, thank you, Dave. I am a disgusted mom…oh, wait, you said disgustING. Is that the same thing? Disgusted and disgusting? Are they? I’d look it up in my Websters but being as how you’re so knowing why don’t you just tell me and I’ll believe you. And could you also clarify for me how a person, such as OJ and Joran are a ‘murder’? Are they a bunch of crows? LOL
#78, maggie….the OJ trial was a circus for sure, on both sides, but more on the prosecution side with Marcia and her hair etc. LOL And Chris Darden was a bad choice. The side bars alone would make a Nun raid the Communion Wine!
They took OJ to trial before they had a clear case against him. Too much circumstantial evidence in that one. And they lost. And rightfully so IMO because they did not prove their case beyond a shadow of a doubt. It’s a chance they take when they only have reasonable cause and circumstantial evidence, as you know.
So like, with Joran…they have no real proof of a crime committed against Natalee (but I do think one was) and I’d hate to see them take him to trial and lose because of it…. but they do have Obstruction of Justice by his lies (or whatever you call it in Aruba) that they could have charged him for. Any little thing they could get him for they should have done so, as they should have with Steve Croes and the Kalpoes. And I’m sure there’s something they could have charged ole Paulus with, such as tampering with a witness or 2 or setting up the Kalpoes with an attorney of his choice. And Jan VDS? Why isn’t he being charged with withholding of evidence if he saw stuff?
As for Maddie McCann…does anyone know if there was evidence of the room being broken into?
Good luck to the McCann and please do not come back again!I’m not sure if next time police will let you go back home in UK.If the police over here has accused you be sure they will do the best to incriminate you, even if you are not guilty.
Police over here wants revenge from British Press and what some newspapers have written about investigation in Portugal!
disgustedmom If I was on the OJ jury, I would’ve voted guilty. I think there was more than enough to convict him. Even blood in his driveway and the foyer of his home.
As for Natalee’s case, I do think they have plenty of circumstantial evidence against the 3 and the father. Natalee didn’t fly off the island without a passport. She’s not living it up on the island. Don’t leave many choices of what happened and everyone of them has told us different times, she’s dead. 3 guys don’t go out at closing time to pick up a girl, drive around forget a condom and tell everyone the girl wanted to stay on a dark beach alone at 3 am in a foreign country to explain the reason she’s missing. All the conflicting lies and stories tells they know much more. The fact that they were so ready to set 2 men up for kidnapping and murder and never said any different until Beth saw that tape of Natalee not returning to the Holiday Inn. The fact that Deepak told one of the guards that Paulus, Joran and the Kalpoes and family sat around the pool and made up the Holiday Inn lie, and Joran used it the first night proves they knew ahead of time that Natalee was gone. The reason they’ve lied about her so much is because they know she will never be able to show up to say different. Deepak saying he told John Croes that Natalee put her hands down his pants to throw an investigation off when noone even knew Natalee was missing yet says a lot.
As for the MCCans, so far sounds like a railroad job towards them. They’ve cooperated fully time and time again.
#82, Maggie, I don’t doubt for one second Joran did something to/with Natalee and either Paulus knows about it or was involved. Sadly, without a body or a crime scene…nothing will be done about it. It makes me sick that they are getting away with this. I hope not for very much longer.
Can you imagine you and me on the OJ jury? Ain’t life grand? LOL
well Susan.. I am so pleased you are perfect and God has put you in the position to judge the heart.
See you at the right hand of God I guess….
Brenda
I agree 100% with Dave (#77) on “Distgusting Mom”.
Fits much better.
Brenda
The Portugese police have never said that Kate & Gerry killed Maddy. They have named Kate & Gerry an official suspect (“arguido”) because under Portuguese law, an “arguido” has certain legal protection that is not extended to a witness, including the right to remain silent during questioning and the right to legal representation.
There is talk that Maddy may have died as result of an accident and that they are somehow involved in hiding her body. This, however, has never been said by the Portugese police as they are not allowed to comment on a case, so it’s just speculation.
The McCanns went back to the UK to see the twins, but even if they were never to return to Portugal voluntarily, if they are found guilty, the UK and Portugal have an extradition agreement and they would be sent back straight away. They have to report back to the Portugese police within 5 days and why wouldn’t they, if they are innocent?! They should have nothing to hide!
Dutch citizen said: “The McCanns went back to the UK to see the twins, but even if they were never to return to Portugal voluntarily, if they are found guilty, the UK and Portugal have an extradition agreement and they would be sent back straight away. They have to report back to the Portugese police within 5 days and why wouldn’t they, if they are innocent?! They should have nothing to hide!”
SteveDinMD: Why would they not return?? Ok, how long has it been since Portugal was a fascist dictatorship? A little over 30 years? Maybe it hasn’t been long ENOUGH. Old habits die hard, and my guess is that the McCanns would prefer to not get railroaded into prison, which could very easily happen if they were to surrender themselves to the Portugese authorities. I’m thinking it just might be that people in the UK are about to get a lesson in why joining the EU might not have been such a good idea. They’ve effectively placed all their citizens at the mercy of abusive Civil Law jurisdictions on the Continent. As if Portugal and Spain weren’t challenging enough, now the EU is considering the accession of Turkey. How will the British public react when called upon to promptly surrender their fellow citizens to the tender mercies of the Turkish prison system? I doubt they’ll be amused.
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#87 Steve, The fact that the UK has an extradition treaty with Portugal has NOTHING to do with the fact that they are both part of the EU. In fact, the US have such a treaty with all EU countries and Turkey as well!
This makes for some interesting reading:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_extradition_treaties
Dutch citizen: Your own first link above points out that under the EU (European Arrest Warrant), extradition is NOT subject to judicial review in the country from which a criminal suspect is to be extradited. Within the EU, this has much the same effect as the “Full Faith and Credit” clause of the U.S. Constitution has on U.S. States, effectively making extradition a rubber stamp action. This is something our European friends should thoroughly consider before further widening EU membership. How many more foreign governments and courts are they willing to subject their citizens to? Sovereignty has its privileges.
As for extradition treaties to which the U.S. is a party, none provide for automatic rendition of U.S. citizens. Judicial review is mandatory. The U.S. also encounters great difficulty in securing extradition of criminal suspects accused of the most serious crimes. The EU, for example, considers U.S. justice too harsh, though the U.S. offers criminal defendants by far the highest standards of fairness and due process on earth.
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Frances (#28),
The reason Vicki (#20) might think leaving children in strollers outside is done “over there” is because it was used as a defense in a case that received a lot of publicity in the US. In that case back in 1997, the Danish mother was charged while visiting the US for leaving her daughter in a stroller outside a restaurant. Charges were later dropped and we were told:
“In Denmark, where the crime rate is low, it is common to leave children unattended while parents or caregivers shop or dine.”
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1355/is_n2_v92/ai_19487246/
Maybe the writer of #20 thought it was common elsewhere in Europe as well, which is why she vaguely called it “over there”? Personally, I wonder if this is a small village vs. big city thing. I can’t see doing it in the heart of Copenhagen, for example. Whatever. We’ll probably never know what really happened in the McCann case.
Victoria
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I know it is now 2012 and we ar still investigting the case of maddy’s dissapearence but today apparently the portugese police cheif said we need to drop the case she is probly dead anyway but all the people on this blog saying it was the parents fault then think again because apparantly footage has been released ofthe kdnapper carrying maddlin in portugal. It is hard to belive that the stupid portugeese police don’t want to do aything about it and it is an absouloot discrase help find maddy if you have information tell police they will be glad to know aything!!!!