RSSNashville Cabbie Runs Down Students over Religious Argument … Isn’t This a Hate Crime?
A Nashville, TN cab driver was arrested for running down two students early Sunday 
morning on the Vanderbilt campus. The cabbie, Ibrahim Ahmed, intentionally ran over the two students after a religious argument. Wonder why there is no reference as to the nationality of the cab driver and what religion he is? Intentionally running over someone because of a religious argument. Isn’t that a hate crime? Or would hate crimes only exist when Christians attack other people of differing religions? What’s the difference?
(Ibrahim Ahmed)
A local cab driver allegedly tried to run over two customers after a fight over religion became heated.
The incident happened early Sunday morning on the Vanderbilt campus and left one man hospitalized and a cab driver arrested, said police
Two students visiting from Ohio were coming from a bar downtown when they got into an argument with their driver over religion, said police. After they paid the driver he allegedly ran them down in a parking lot
The argument was over a religious dispute according to reports. Ibrihim Ahmned, of United Cab, was arrested and charged with assault, attempted homicide and theft. Of course the fact that this guy was driving a cab with a suspended licence and stolen plates is inconsequential to attempted to commit murder over religious rage.
Ahmed has been convicted of misdemeanors including evading arrest in a motor vehicle and driving on a suspended license, said police.
Ahmed was charged with theft because police said the license plate on his cab was listed as stolen. His bond is set at $300,000. (WSMV)
Cabbie in Trouble After Allegedly Running Over College Students for Religious Dispute
A religious conversation ensued between the driver and two fares. At some point, the students paid and exited the cab, when the cab driver allegedly struck one of the men. The two men then fled the scene on foot.
According to the incident report, Ahmed then returned to the cab, drove across the parking lot, ran over the curb and struck the two men. One of the alleged victims was taken to Vanderbilt University Medical Center with critical injuries. Another passenger, Andrew Nelson, avoided the cab. (FOX News)
UPDATE I: The local FOX affiliate in Nashville confirmed from a friend and fellow co-worker that Ahmed is a Sunni Muslim from Somalia.
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” Or would hate crimes only exist when Christians attack other people of differing religions?” You pretty much hit that nail on the head. Add to that “Or would hates crimes exist when whites attack people of color?” and you have summarized the reality of hate crimes.
Who ever termed “hate crimes” was a doofus.
All crimes have the element of hate. Drop the term or make it an equal crime across the board.
#2 … you are correct … which futher just shows that hate is only supposed to be a one way street by those that ceated the law in the first place.
R
My guess is the stupid white drunk frat boys started it. If so, they got what they deserved.
If a Christian cabbie had run over a Muslim as the result of a religious argument … it would be front page headlines. Islamic leaders in every mosque worldwide would call on their followers to take to the streets and protest in mass and … the leaders of the democracies of the free world would bow by immediately adhering to the politically correct agenda of appeasement.
Look at what has happened in the past year in regards to two isolated incidences when a Koran was descretated and … another incidence when cartoons disrespectfully depicted Mohammed.
I firmly believe that Islam is already in control … it is too late to turn back. What is so frustrating/sad … the leaders of democracies of the free world let it happen with their politically correct appeasement in regards to this ideology. Two expectations … one for Islam and one for all other citizens.
Canzi,
You obviously don’t know much about Vanderbilt, the kind of frat boys to act like that can’t even get the grades to attend there. The students at Vanderbilt are pretty serious students… would you have made a stupid (and yes, I did say stupid) comment like that if that had happened at say, Harvard in Boston?
What ever happened to free speech? #5 Janet, your post nailed it!
I fear if people don’t wake up and demand that this kind of behavior be called exactly what it is, a hate crime… then we will be at the point of no return.
Cantsee said,
“My guess is the stupid white drunk frat boys started it. If so, they got what they deserved.”
…and I would take it that the drunk with fanaticism Muslim gets what he deserves as well.
In the future please be so kind as to keep your religious holier than thou attitude back in the old country if you want to stay here instead of there. Thank you.
Seems the news is finally reporting the nationality & religion of cab driver.
#4 How presumptuous are you?
I guess those 3000 dead on 9-11 deserved it as well, huh? Idiot.
Amazing that people will make endless excuses for those that are hell bent on hating the US. Maybe the fact that the guy had a suspended license and stolen plates tells us all we need to know of his character.
Once again Islam showing itself as a religion of Peace.
Isn’t all crime hate?
I think you are making a mistake of assuming that just because they were arguing about religion that the cab driver ran over them because they were say Christians. If so then he should be charged with a hate crime but it will be difficult for the prosecution to prove his state of mind or intentions.
The defense could argue that if he wanted to assault students who were Christians then he could have taken his chances and randomly chosen any American student since 80% of Americans profess to be Christians and not specifically chosen to run over these two guys with whom he had just argued.
I’m no lawyer, but I play one on the interwebs.
The concept of a “hate crime” gets to the core of motive. If the cabbie had decided “I’m gonna run me over some Christian boys” and then set out to do so, that would be a hate crime. Getting into an argument and doing something stupid (or insane — I don’t know his state of mind) in the heat of the moment wouldn’t automatically qualify as a hate crime.
Let’s review: seeking out and then hitching a black person to your rear bumper and driving around town until he’s dead — that’s a hate crime. Setting out from your home on 9/12/01 with a gun and shooting the first person you see who looks Arabic — that’s a hate crime.
I’m actually not a fan of “hate crime” statutes — smacks of Orwellian “thought crimes” — but don’t act like they’re being applied arbitrarily. (That’s reserved for the death penalty.)
here in the south, we don’t do hate crimes. but sometimes, bless their hearts, some people just really need killing. we really like them fine, they just need killing.
dennisintn
OK Dennisintn…THAT was funny as hell. Gotta agree 100%. Oh yeah, speaking of hating things, did you hear the beloved Hillary Clinton has spoken out regarding the Rebel flag? Apparently, she finds it “offensive”. Gosh, hope she doesn’t look in the mirror any time soon…I mean..if being offended by what she sees is a problem :>)
Brenda
Islam a peaceful religion. Now that’s funny.
So now, this criminal immigrant will get a free Koran, a free rag to kneel on, 3 squares a day and gain 20 pounds. Whereas, if he were back home, he’d be getting barbed wire shoved up his ass.
This seems like a situation where a hate crime would only be applicable under a state statute (the federal government does not have general police powers). Many states have adopted hate-crime statutes, but a cursory search fails to turn anything up in the Tennessee Code Annotated. Perhaps your premise, that hate crimes are preferentially prosecuted, is based on ignorance of the law.
Islam peaceful…..Ha. Yeah we all see just how peacful it is, by all the rioting they do over the lest little thing. And from what I have seen it does not take much to piss them off…
I say the cab company needs to stop hiring these muslims. DEPORT THEM ALL…..
No matter what you say to me I will not run over you. If you are a religious fanatic or blinded by emotions, or just plain sicko I will have tire tracks on me. My thoughts are which ones fit this case.
Just remember you cannot be accused of a hate crime if you repeat the following.
“I like him/her….then I ran his butt over.”
So that I would assume is not a crime in a hateful manner.
pundit guy is right. “hate crime” would only apply if the driver attacked the students simply because they were white and/or christian, not as the result of an argument.
In response to #14 (nurturer)…
[Insert Name of Religion Here] is a peaceful religion. Now that’s funny.
Religion is the search for truth, however unprovable, and inevitably leads to a claim that one truth is the supreme truth (bang, boom, slay the non-believers).
I agree with #11 (PunditGuy). If the cabbie set out to find and kill a couple of Christians, it’s a hate crime. But running down whitey after a religious argument isn’t the same as setting out to lynch a black man (any black man will do) because he’s black and then doing it.
For those who make the argument that all crime is hate, I just cannot agree with your premise. Hate crime laws address ideological hate – one victim is as good as another as long as they have the hated traits. Absent that aspect, hate may be involved, but it’s on a personal, rather than ideological level.
Aside from crimes of passion (murder and assault mostly), I’d suggest that most are crimes of opportunity fueled by depraved indifference and selfish interests. Muggers, rapists, bank robbers, corporate fraudsters, burglars and most other criminals seek out opportunities and do not discriminate. Their motives are to get what they want, not to exact punishment based on their ideology.
Garv
Interesting perspective Garvin…
Here’s what a preacher’s kid thinks about religion:
Religion is a way to condition people to act a certain way and make them believe a certain way. True Christianity is meant to be a lifestyle lived from within, NOT a social club full of people looking for acceptance of their miserable, judgemental lives. Religion offers a pat on the back and a nod from the preacher so the “flock” leaves feeling justified. True Christianity forces one to look inward at their sin-filled lives and repent. THEN actually work to avoid replaying out the same soul-destructing actions that created the mess we are in the first place.
My dad got out of the pulpit after about 15 years because he could see the leadership at the top was simply corrupt. A power struggle as if other denominations were the enemy. No one wanting to hear any real preaching, just nice stories about Abraham, or Noah, or the Virgin Mary…nothing real….a bunch of milk drinkers.
Religion is a veil to hide behind. Why do you think the temple veil was ripped in two when Jesus died? No more did the priests need to “hide” behind it and act as an interface between the people and the Creator. (Of course, if one does not believe the Bible, this is all crap to them anyway.)
Radical Islam, Hindu, Scientology, Taoism…not much different. All 100% right in their own minds. Didn’t Christ state there was no Greek or Jew in him? All were one? One only need to look at America to see the problem of division. If we were unified as a nation, NO ONE would dare come against us. If the church was not divided, imagine the impact it would have?
Brenda
I’m surprised at the number of people who think that all crimes are hate crimes. If you think for a minute, it’s clear that that’s not right: jaywalking, drug possession, (in some states) an eighteen year old having sex with his seventeen year old girlfriend, stealing to have enough food to eat, I could go on and on. Even some violent crimes aren’t hate crimes, like if I run someone over in my car because my brakes don’t work, or if someone pays me to kill their wife, and I do, my motive would be the money, not any hatred towards their wife…..
The Double Standard
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1. Last year when Muslims world wide were demonstrating in the streets as a result of a cartoonist disrespectfully depicting Mohammad … Prime Minister, Stephen Harper, appeared on National Television and THANKED Canadian Muslims for the restraint shown through their peaceful protests.
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2. The same week the Lord and Savior of Christians was depicted in a very disrespectful manner on the front cover of the Rolling Stones publication. I was waiting for the same words of commendation from my Prime Minister directed at Christians for not resorting to violence as a reaction to this flagrant offence. I am still waiting.
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When I stopped to consider these two incidents … I came to the conclusion that there was something very wrong regarding this picture. Why were Muslims THANKED for something that was obviously expected of Christians? Should peaceful protests as a forum of free speech not be an EXPECTATION of ALL citizens in a free world democracy?
Bottom Line: Instead of being thanked for comforming to expectation … there should be consequences for failure to do so … not appeasement.