RSSPaulus Van der Sloot in Natalee Holloway Disappearance … No Soup for You in Aruba, Part II (Witnesses & Taped info) Full Translation
As originally posted, “Nothing for you Paulus Van der Sloot” Paulus and Joran shall receive 
no “ill gotten” gains for their law suit filed that they were inappropriately detained by Aruban police in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Seems that the continued pressure and dwindling tourism has forced Aruban officials and courts to look at events in a different manner than they originally did. Much different.
With this ruling one begins to wonder why Paul Van der Sloot did not spend more time in jail than he actually did? In hindsight, Aruba would have handled this situation in a much different manner. Seems that all bets and promises are off. Some suspects and those involved best begin to start worrying again, or sweating as the case may be. The following is a literal translation as it appears in the Sentencing of the Superior Court.
“With attention to the lying declarations that the son of Paulus, Joran Andreas Petrus van der Sloot (hereafter Joran) gave about his last contact on the 30th of May 2005 with the disappeared Natalee Holloway, the suspicion is not unreasonable that he made himself guilty of a conduct that can be qualified as murder, manslaughter, or kidnapping that resulted in death.The possible involvement of Paulus with that could then be deducted from the file with the official reports of witnesses, amongst which two people suggested a contact existed between Paulus and Natalee Holloway the night of her disappearance, and a tapped report (that was given by the Prosecutor in her final note 1 to the Court). The tapped information and his declaration that he picked up Joran and Natalee by the McDonalds Palm Beach and brought them to the Holiday Inn, are clearly understood by the Dept. of Justice, and could in the judgement of this Superior Court, be considered as an indication of the involvement of Paulus in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.”
UPDATE I: The following is Diario’s full translation for yesterdays article on Feb. 14, 2007 regarding Paulus Van der Sloot. Special thanks to Diario.
New information coming out of the Superior Court of Justice
PAUL VAN DER SLOOT HAD TWO PERSONAL CONTACTS WITH NATALEE THE NIGHT SHE DISAPPEARED
ORANJESTAD(AAN) On the 13th of February 2007, the Superior Court dictated sentence against Paul van der Sloot in the case that he appealed with regards to the damages that his person as well as his family members asked for, seeing that in the Primary Court (Court of First Instance) Paul van der Sloot alone (no one else in his family) got a reward of 40,000 guilders for damages and 1500 guilders to cover the costs of the lawyers, court clerks, etc.The sentence of the Superior Court fell like a bomb on Paul van der Sloot and his defence attorney because, according to the attorney, the Court made use of informations that do not agree with the truth.The Court dictated that Paul van der Sloot fetched Joran and Natalee at the McDonald Palm Beach branch and took the two of them to the Holiday Inn, according to declarations by witnesses and also informations obtained from a phone tap carried out by the police.Until recently, this key information was not known in the press and apparently only by the Police and Dept. of Justice.The whole case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway gets a different twist now that the information has come out from no less than the Superior Court, and in which mention is made of the declarations of witnesses and a phone tap that show or give an indication that Paul van der Sloot had on two occasions personal contact with Natalee during the night that she disappeared.Mention is made that, according to one or more official reports of the phone tap and also the declaration of Paul van der Sloot himself, that Paul fetched Joran and Natalee at McDonald and took them to the Holiday Inn.Based on this information, the judicial authorities and the police had at that time a justified basis to arrest Paul van der Sloot based on different suspicions.According to the Superior Court, Paul van der Sloot himself is guilty, he made possible or caused (depends how every one interprets the grammar in the sentence of the Court’s) himself to be arrested and that Aruba cannot be held responsible for the damages that he suffered and for which he was demanding damages, which he won in First Instance, but appealed to get more, and now has lost everything.In the sentence there are various points and aspects that brought a different view on the Natalee Holloway case and that in the coming days will be analyzed, but the most important information is the matter of fetching Natalee and Joran at the McDonald, Palm Beach, and also that Paul had on two occasions personal contacts with Natalee on the night that she disappeared.The cardinal question now is: what did the police authorities hear on the tapped phone of Paul van der Sloot, and the next question is hotter still: at what time, under what circumstances, and where did Paul van der Sloot as the father of Joran van der Sloot have contacts with Natalee Holloway the night she disappeared?If the Superior Court says that in the official report mention is made that Paul van der Sloot fetched Joran and Natalee on the aforementioned night at McDonald Palm Beach, that is the first contact, but where did the second contact take place?On the night of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, Paul van der Sloot met again with Natalee after he left Joran with Natalee at the Holiday Inn? If that is the case, then where and at what time did Natalee disappear that night?In the declarations of Joran and the Kalpoe brothers there was a heated discussion amongst them, with formal denials as to whether they went with Natalee to the house of Paul van der Sloot on the night of her disappearance.That’s why it is important to get clarity on the two occasions that Paul van der Sloot had personal contacts with Natalee on the night in question and where and under what circumstances they occurred.The lawyer for Paul van der Sloot denies that Paul declared that he fetched Joran and Natalee at McDonald Palm Beach, and that he had contacts with Natalee the night she disappeared, but the Superior Court of Justice based its sentence on the information presented by the interim Attorney General of Aruba.Now, who is lying and who is telling the truth?
Posted February 15, 2007 by Scared Monkeys Aruba, Crime, Joran Van der Sloot, Natalee Holloway, Paul Van der Sloot | 255 comments |
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255 Responses to “Paulus Van der Sloot in Natalee Holloway Disappearance … No Soup for You in Aruba, Part II (Witnesses & Taped info) Full Translation”
Hey in math from the beginning to eternity
1+1=2
well,we can make up for lost jail time now.
Paulus,
What kind of father are you?
Never mind. We know.
You are the kind of father
who helps cover up crimes
that his son committed.
Try being a real father, Paulus.
Fess up.
Take your punishment like a man
and make Joran do the same.
That is the only way to help Joran.
He must learn that misdeeds, especially
CRIMES, have consequences.
Paulus and Anita, you both
know that Joran is way out of control.
When did Janssen submit this tape?
Right before she left?
Earlier in the case?
Is this tape newly submitted evidence?
I hope Aruba knows what they have done to their own country with the decrease in tourism.
Beth is making the difference…everytime she speaks
more people pass the info on to friends and relatives
and their minds change and say “I don’t want to go to
Aruba” on my vacation…..hundreds and hundred and hundreds
of people have changed their minds to say NO I will no longer consider going there…. soon it will be in the
thousands if it has not reached that proportion yet….:o)
Pay back is a bitch!
Joran says he will tell what happened after it is all over. Paulus says he would tell but the truth would hurt too many people. Are you kidding me?? Jorans writing a book and Paulus sues the govt. Can this family get anymore disgusting? Besides covering up the rape and murder did paulus choose to let her die instead of getting natalee help?
“I lied and thats the truth”–Joran Van Der Sloot
“Your own father”!!Unbeleaveable!!–Deepak Kalpoe
Caren had 2 witness’s placing Paul/ASS in the presence of Natalee twice that night? Very Good as this is the first i’ve heard about these witness’s!
Paul was seen in the company & engaging with Natalee in the casino hours before she is NEVER seen again and within hours after he is referring to Natalee as a Corpse.
Payback is a bitch Sharon & in this case its coming back to crush them.
E-mail Greta and ask her
to have Jossy or Beth
as a guest.
ontherecord@foxnews.com
Also, contact Bill O’Reilly.
He’s sick of the coverup in Aruba.
Someone said yesterday that we can’t let up on the boycott for a minute even though Paul didn’t get that money. I say no worries friend, if anything we’re digging our claws in even deeper tp promote the dangers & remind everyone how shabby & cruel Aruba has conducted themselves since May 30, 2007
Will do Justice!
We’re wearing down folks……they Never thought we’d still be here fighting for NATALEE so close to the two year mark.
We’re still here Aruba…..and you still suck!
oops “we’re wearing them down”
Hey Observer!
You ask if this family can get more disgusting and i everytime i think they can’t……THEY DO~
Yikes i mean 2005
please forgive my typo’s guys….i’ve had a migraine all day
What is the correct punishment for these Van Der Sloots? I dont think a few years in jail is appropriate anymore..
#6, who could paulus be so magnanimously protecting? his reluctance (and jvds’) to be truthful for almost 2 yrs. is causing hardships for everyone on the island, not even considering the fact that the entire island’s reputation as a nation of honor and trust is concerned. who is so important for him to to protect, other than j2k?
dennisintn
Well, Beth / Jug weren’t making this up ! ! ! !
She said he said he said it and it looks as if he did.
According to witnesses that are from ARUBA … not some ppl from the USA who might have a language problem.
Why Oh Why did they try to say they didn’t ?
Why did they not want the main house searched ?
Those lying sacks of you-know-what.
The most they could get is 15 years right? Could other charges such as kidnapping, assault be tacked on to the 1st degree murder in terms of sentencing? That would be a start but after all we’ve seen & all we know i’d like them to get the same thing they gave Natalee.
mayan moons, that sounds only fair to me.
dennisintn
It’s about time this came out. I’m so happy neither of these (fill in the blanks) are getting a penny. Boycott his book too.
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: No, I don’t. But there’s something that really bothers me, and I don’t think I’ve made any secrets about it, I’ve kept a journal of everything everyone said, what day, timeframes. And there’s something that really has been bothering me as I read over and over my journal, is I know on the 31st that Paul van der Sloot stated that he picked Joran up at 4 a.m. at McDonald’s. It was also said to me by a police spokesperson on June 16 and June 17 that Paul van der Sloot stated that he picked up Joran at 4 a.m. on the 31st at McDonald’s. But I noticed on the day that I visited Paul van der Sloot at his home, all of a sudden, it was changed to 11 p.m.
VAN SUSTEREN: Perhaps there were two.
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Could have been, Greta.
VAN SUSTEREN: Does your journal entry because I’ve seen your journal, I’ve paged through it with you. Is there an entry in your journal which actually has that 4:30?
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: And that was…
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: The 31st. That was from secondhand information. Now, that was not from…
GEORGE “JUG” TWITTY: We have witnesses that were there that night that heard…
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: … ten witnesses.
http://members.aol.com/WorldJOURNIER/NATALEE/NATALEEtimeline2005_07.html
thanks wj, you’re right on top of things, as usual.
dennisintn
FYI:
The taped information and his declaration that “he” picked up Joran and Natalee by the McDonalds Palm Beach and brought them to the Holiday Inn, are clearly understood by the Dept. of Justice, and could in the judgement of this Superior Court, be considered as an indication of the involvement of Paulus in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.”
Doesn’t this sound much different than what we have been told? I thought that JVDS never told his father about the HI, or NH for that fact? Joran stated that no one knew because he was embarassed. How could PVDS have known that the HI was even the hotel in play? Those tapped phoned calls are a bitch.
R
“The taped information and his declaration that he picked up Joran and Natalee by the McDonalds Palm Beach and brought them to the Holiday Inn” Ok, this is the first I’ve heard he picked up Natalee and Joran. Is this a typo?
What is going on that the courts have changed. Who is on or no longer on the Supreme court and why have they changed their direction on this case?
Why has this now changed, who is or is not on the supreme court, that the direction now has changed?
Now I wonder if Anita’s camera was used to blackmail Natalee in case she was gonna talk?
Was Anita’s camera used for Blackmail?
Jossy Mansur will join me on my show tonight to discuss this story.
9pm et.
Dana
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/radio
#24 … not a typo
I imagine that the prosecutors and Courts have much info that they have been holding back on in hopes this all went away.
I would dare say they have more than enough to go forward with a prosecution again the 3 suspects. At this point they have no choice. All bets and promises made to have this go away are off the table … Aruban tourism has taken too much of a hit.
R
#17 (Dennisintn)
Who Indeed? That seems to be the 64 thousand $ question.
The one statement in this case that haunts me the most is this: “Your Own father! Unbelievable!”
Paulus needs to be reinstated as a suspect!
So, they ( Jan van der Stratten, Karin Janssen ) knew this and still arrested the security guards ?
I do remember Beth speaking of this early days. And I mean really early, before Joran was ” detained ” or whatever they call it. Getting him out of the way where he could not drink and blab is more like it.
Well, this thread answers one question of mine. Never before had I heard anyone talk of PvdS picking up Joran AND NATALEE at a McDonald’s, whether at 11 p.m. or 4 a.m.
Now, Beth’s statement above refers only to him picking up Joran at 4 a.m. She says he later changed the time to 11 p.m.
So what’s going on? Was he saying that he picked them both up so as to give the impression that Natalee could still be accounted for at 4 a.m.? Again, Beth, in her statement, makes no reference to Natalee.
Methinks this is PvdS spreading disinformation very early on. Clearly he wants people to think that Natalee was accounted for at a particular time.
If I’m way off base on this, please set me straight.
I love that phrase “the lying declarations.”
Wonder what the atmosphere is in the van der Scum residence these days? Anyone think the phone lines to Holland and dear little Joran are busy?
And the Kalpoes have been mute about their lawsuit….
Paulus, Joran come forward this is awful how you sit this out.
Everybody knows your guilty. It baffles me how they have lied and lied. Innocent people don’t lie.
If we read this statement cautiously, it says that two of the witnesses “suggested” there was a contact that night.
It’s hard to imagine what “suggested” means. Were they saying they thought so, but weren’t sure? Were they inferring from something they’d been told?
It’s too bad that we aren’t given the time and place of this “suggested” contact between PvdS and Natalee. I’m sure that those details are in the records that Aruba has, but wouldn’t we like to know.
For that matter, perhaps they differ and refer to more than one contact. But without going beyond the bounds of what is said in that statement, a lot is still unclear.
Hey Miss-U!
I’m with you and want to know the details of this change of (black) heart from the Aruba Court!
I can’t listen to Dana so please come back & tell me what went down! TIA
I sent this out on my Natalee Network email list
this morning, but would like to post it here as
well if R,T, and Klaas will let me.
–The following is all my opinion only.
—–
C’mon folks, I smell the winds of change
coming upon us! Give it all you’ve got,
and lets bring Natalee home to
her family where she belongs!
The ROCKS SITE — IMHO — was just what NYCHIC
had suspected it to be all along! A dismembering
outdoor workshop for a psychopath. (see pics below)
This is probably why Joran did not want to so much
as fart in the general direction of the CALIFORNIA
LIGHTHOUSE, so he changed up his stories again to
say he stayed away from there, and never got out
of the car. He knew in his peanut shaped head
bad shit would be found in this area.
(I’m saying here - the rocks are a disposal site
I don’t think she was murdered there.)
It takes a pretty
hardcore, nasty, MF-ER
to dismember a body.
(so they tell me.)
I don’t think those two serial
Aruban/Dutch Jackass Fairies, Joran and
Paulus had the set of walnuts to do it!
—-
1st - Joran may have already been in lock up…
when they started to do this nasty deed.
Paulus was on the outside. He wanted to desperately
talk to Joran. Between the time Joran went to jail
and the time Paulus went to jail. ( = corpse locator)
6/9 & 6/23/2005 — There’s your target window.
We need to backtrack on Paulus, and follow his
every move throughout that time period… especially,
we want to see if they made contact with one another,
directly, or via a 3rd party. (mom,lawyer,brother,whatever)
That information
is VITAL. It is a key to unlock the house,
I guess you could say.
No wonder he was sweating so much!!! He was also moonlighting as a $%$%ing’ funeral director. What an jerk!
All the time trying to contact his demon spawn and tell him
DO NOT CONFESS. …but Joran already did, so they tell him
STFU now AND TAKE IT BACK, because
your dear old pappy fixed it for you.
I suspect their communication on this subject, during the time period in question, led to what was observed with the ARUBAY VIDEO TAPING OF THE ROCKS NEAR THE LIGHTHOUSE. 6/12/2005 SUNDAY.
6/12/2005 ???
I am really starting to discover now everything that
is on that tape!!!!!!!! (ARUBAY ROCKS) Specifically, all the body parts.
of females mixed with a shark carcass. (maybe up to 3 females) It appears to be
remains of at least one white female mixed with 2 others
, and I am convinced some of Nat’s remains are viewable in this video. (Arubay Rocks Site Vid)
It is grisly
shit, these
people are AWFUL,
AWFUL people.
-break
:::TIME WARP:::
news blurb
6/12/2005 - 6/13/2005
sun - mon
INTERNET BLOG RUMBLINGS:
DUTCH SPECIAL OPS fly to Aruba TO ASSIST Jan VDS & ALE.
Natalee Holloway: Interesting New Development
The Dutch media is reporting on Monday that The Netherlands
has sent some experts to the island of Aruba to assist in the ongoing search (investigation).
The Dutch experts arrived at Aruba **ON SUNDAY**. The local chief of the search team of police in The Netherlands,
Jan van der Straten, confirmed this report on Sunday.
Mr. Van der Straten did not go into details about
the type of experts that were sent. He only informed that the experts that were sent did not go with search dogs and that they were going to carry out specific detailed operations.
— the ones we
see in ARUBAY
ROCK VIDEOS?
——-
Van der Straten told the press that he was not going to
disclose specified information, because this would obviously
lead to (justified) assumptions of the direction the
investigation is heading in. He said: “I cannot say more,
otherwise it will be clear in which direction the
investigation is going”.
-BREAK
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6/12/2005 arubay videos recorded. Uploaded to
the Internet the next day. Monday 6/13/2005?
Again, this is my opinion.
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Evidence Screen Grabs
ROCKS DISMEMBERMENT SITE / PAINTED ROCKS
w/ guides & labels
http://tinyurl.com/3ajhtq
——-
ROCKS DISMEMBERMENT SITE
clean graphic / no outline
http://tinyurl.com/ysyfqy
—–
BODY IN ROCK CRYPT
WEARING A COLOR CONFIGURATION
LIKE NATALEE’S LAST OUTFIT.
http://tinyurl.com/2vn5bX
Strike while the iron is hot. Carpe Diem!
Bust some Aruba ass today. We will not just let
this be, we must let them know that this sh$#@!
IS HIGHLY UNACCEPTABLE, CAPTAIN. -Spock
-Justice 4 Natalee Ann Holloway!
-Justice 4 Natalee Ann Holloway!
-Justice 4 Natalee Ann Holloway!
If we give up on Natalee,
we are in fact giving up on our own families,
by giving up on Natalee,
you are in fact giving up yourself!
They’ve gotten away with these things in the past,
and they’ll continue to do so in the future if they
are not held accountable!
Age, color, rich or poor,
highly educated, or
little to no education….
***NOBODY DESERVES*** TO
BE TREATED THE WAY THE SMALL
AMOUNT OF CORRUPTED HOODS, SKANKS, & CROOKS
IN GOVT AND LAW ENFORCEMENT IN ARUBA
TREATED NAH AND HER FAMILY.
We will never give up on her! -J4N
http://tinyurl.com/2j69em
If this information about Papa Sloot picking up Joran and Natalee is true then I think I have possible theory about the events of that night.
J2K run thier Taxi scam on Natalee “It’s worked 20 times before”
During thier assault on Natalee “Something bad Happens” (can’t be revived from drug and alcohol combo?)
Joran calls his dad and he picks him and Natalee up at Mcdonalds and drives them to his house, tells Joran that he’ll take care of everything so get to bed and make sure you get to school in the morning.
Papa Sloot then brings Natalee into his home and Assaults Natalee, perhaps taking pictures of his evil deeds (the missing camera). “This wouldn’t have happened if mom would have been home” (I believe this statement refers to something that happened in the sloot main residence because Joran had his own bungalow and could have gotten away with murder without his mother being aware of it.
Deepak finds out about Jorans fathers involement and makes the statement “Your own father, unbelievable!
I could be wrong and I could be right about this, but one thing I feel in my gut the most is this: Paulus is heavily involved and knows the most about what happened that night.
Keep Boycotting! It’s working!
Mayan
I can’t get Dana on this lap top. Some freegen reason. Hopefully someone will fill us in. I wonder is the room gettin smaller at the VDS’S. Anita’s camera, gone during a search (that didn’t happen), she said it was taken, but it was in the house the nite Natalee disappeared…Hey Anita…..who took your camera…..why?
Now let’s see what happens with those ATM withdrawls, ahhh what time were the withdrawls and how much.
“Your own father” “this wouldn’t have happened if you stayed home”
Wheeew I’m smelling the pigs…wheeew, (holdin my nose)
IF Paulus actually did pick up Joran and Natalee at 4 AM,
this is what I think happened:
Natalee is unconscious/in severe distress/perhaps already dead (due to
drug slipped to her).
Joran calls Dad to pick him up. They take Natalee
to VDS home. Paulus looks up drugs/alcohol
on Internet. Does not get medical attention for Natalee
because of incriminating evidence. Natalee dies.
Anita,
Your son and husband are going to jail.
If you want to bank on something, bank on THAT.
Maybe you will join them behind bars.
What do you know, Anita?
With all this info coming about, I would bet you money Paulus has bought himself a whole case full of anti-perspirant and deodorant.
How Bad Is Sweaty Man Sloot Sweating Tonight ?
I Hope They Nail His Ass To The Wall !
This Statement Was Made The Night Beth Arrived -
PVDS Was Already In “Alibi Mode” BigTime -
He Was CERTAIN Those HI Security Tapes Were
As Good As HIS !
———
Carpe -
You Are Correct Once Again !
I Said That From Day One:
“Get Into The Mindset of An Idiot 17yr Old”
Hint - Hint: The Sharks
If Koen or Sander Had Answered The Phone That Night
The Divers May Have Found Natalee !
Then Sweaty Man Took Over…
my brothers employers used to have their corporate license in aruba and yearly meetings there (600+ people)- they have now moved them to colorado, usa. his whole company avoids aruba now since the aruban scumbag gov’t white-washed natalee’s disappearance.
for family vacations - its canada/europe or tahiti - no carribean vacations again.
Despite the boycott, there are still either selfish idiots, ill-informed or just plain apathetic people who still travel to Aruba.
Hence the honeymoon couple that got stranded on the tarmac the other on their flight to Aruba. In their case, it may have looked like karma, but it also could have been divine intervention saving a life.
So, according to witnesses and to statements made by Paulus, Joran and Paulus were the last two known persons to see Natalee alive.
Puts a little different twist on things doesn’t it. I believe the Bible has a name for what went on and it is strictly prohibited, and that’s with a willing female. An unwilling or drugged female is a double damnation.
Paulus is going to crack.
All I can say is….I told you so.
VOID THE JUDGEMENT MADE TO STATE PAULUS WAS NO LONGER A SUSPECT ARUBA! With this…our perp will finally pay for his crimes.
PAULUS IS YOUR PERP. The evidence and lack of evidence/cover-up actions have been more than overwhelming.
Let’s go Aruba….wrap this one up. md
“According to the Superior Court, Paul van der Sloot himself is guilty, he made possible or caused (depends how every one interprets the grammar in the sentence of the Court’s) himself to be arrested and that Aruba cannot be held responsible for the damages that he suffered and for which he was demanding damages, which he won in First Instance, but appealed to get more, and now has lost everything.”
HA HA HA….Paulus was attempting to utilize the legal system to add one more layer onto the onion so that he would never be prosecuted for his crimes.
He has brought Aruba as a country to its knees. Aruba appears to be tired of helping him.
With this attempt, one layer that was added to the onion has been peeled back. Layer 2 will be for the justice department to issue a retraction of the Karen Janssen letter stating he was no longer a suspect (why a prosecutor would write a letter like this is absolutely beyond comprehension….unless you were helping Paulus put a peel on the onion). Layer 3 will be to VOID the judgement stating Paulus is no longer a suspect.
With these, the onion has been peeled back; and Paulus can be rearrested and charged for his crimes. Its coming Paulus….Aruba has no choice but to put you down for 15 years. md
LOL Elaine,
I bet you’re right about that.
—
Did Joran and his dad share a drugged Natalee?
“Your Own Father, Unbelievable.” -Deepak
Were they picking up from McDonalds… or dropping off?
“F YOU, that is the PRICE YOU LET MY FATHER PAY, that you suffer.” -Joran, Police Tapes talkin’ to Kalpoes
You see Joran, with you… there is NO PROOF. WITH LIES
THERE IS NO PROOF! With us there is proof. -Satish
(READ- People have seen and witnessed D & S being
with Joran and Natalee - No eyewitnesses for Paulus being spotted with Nat. (so they thought, at that point in time)
They kept it ALL IN THE FAMILY! Literally!!! — that is why this thing has stuck together for so long. The two that know everything,are blood related.) All the others don’t know sh&*! for sure, and they are quite aware of the fact that they need to shut up, get paid off, or they’ll be PITBULLED.)
The answers are firmly cemented near the pool area.
—-
You’re an s.o.b., Paul Van der sloot (rhymes with boat)
If you think you are going
to get away with this,
I have news for you my
Dutchman…
…
“You Got Another Thing Comin” - Judas Priest
…
That’s right here’s where the talkin’ ends
Well listen this night there’ll be some action spent
Drive hard I’m callin’ all the shots
I got an ace card comin’ down on the rocks
http://tinyurl.com/jvke7 -J4N
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http://zoltanzion.blogspot.com/
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Mayan: I say give them the 15 years and then give them the balcony. Enough of this! J4N
molly (in Houston)
Joran also gave out a great piece of info
in one of his many statements.
…
While Anita was out of the country.
He said his dad was in possession
of her cellphone.
…
Wow 2 witness’s heard DIShonorable Paules VDS say he picked up Jip & NATALEE? At 4:00 am! And on tape no less! NOT that we didn’t know that since the first time we saw Paules chatting up with Natalee that we knew he took Natalee away.
Tell it Molly!~ They deserve MUCH worse!
Has Carin been trying to grow a heart or something…naaah forgitaboutit.
Zion Rawks!~
Thanks Miss -U for shouting back!
Paules has Anita’s camera and the pictures
it held in a saftey deposit box somewhere
don’t cha Pawl?
Hey Carpe!
Paules had Anita’s celly?? was it clam color or shape orr something like that?
#50 (Carpe)
I am not sure if you are aware of it or not, but there is a case where both father and son killed women and then buried them in barells beneath the concrete of thier pools/hot tubs.
If you are interested then look up Ward Weaver. I believe that this case is very similar.
MD Dad keep it going!
God bless everyone that cares about justice for Natalee!
God bless you beth! You are wonderful and truly deserving of answers! If I knew how to nominate you for woman of the century, I would!
{{{Hugs for Beth}}}
gee I answered that dumb math question and still my post didn’t post!
What is the importance of the math entry?
Carpe, I will to remember the post that was lost. In relation to your time frame questions and whether the parties talked to each other.. IMO yes… very easy.. the Sloots were staying at the Director of the Prison KIA director’s house.. very easy for Joran to come home at night or in day via that closed in white van.
This time frame was also the same time, I think that the Sloots were using the excuse of staying there to get out of the medio limelight and to construct a new cememt surround, deck around their pool (saywhat??) and also the same time furniture was being inbound or outbound from the house.
Isn’t it interesting that videos are being taken as this case evolves at first??? The Chicago one of the drains, the one of the rocks and the airplane picture flyover when the furniture van was there?
1) either someone was trying to protect themselves with blackmail insurance or 2) the ALA and govt. knew and did nothing… or 3) a combo of both.
A Scared Monkey on the .net needs to know what is the exact date of the filming of the Chicago video of the drains that you have spent so much time on (thanks) and the exact time of the time when Joran went with the police in handcuffs to Fishermen’s Huts to show them where Natalee was buried and he returned along to the police car and hit on the hood of the police car in great anger? The person has been working weeks on a theory you might be interested in. Thanks in Advance “just moma”
Carpe please, would you mind logging into the .net and tell IBE the exact date of Joran’s visit with the Police to the Fishermens’ huts, the day he hit his fists on the police car in anger. IBE’s post says that Monkeys have shown the screen shot of that day from tV and have made ref. of articles that tell the suspects went there… but no listing of the exact day. TIA She seems to think it is important to what she is thinking about.
All Monkeys… continue the Good Work.. Justice is rolling along, faster and deeper on each roll until it mows down the ones that need to be mowed down.
I’m still trying to figure out all of these bombshells that are just coming out. So much for the idea that we weren’t going to get anything new in this “cold” case!
Who are the two witnesses who made these statements? (I wonder if they could be the Kalpoes!)
We know that Natalee left Carlos ‘n’ Charlies somewhere around 1 a.m. This new report (new to us, anyway) says that PvdS, early on, told somebody (presumably over the phone; hence the remarks were taped) that he had picked BOTH of them up at 4 a.m. at McDonald’s. Beth’s remark was that he said he picked up Joran ONLY at McDonald’s at 4 a.m., and later changed the time to 11 p.m.
One thing: if indeed Natalee at 4 a.m. was in a bad way, I don’t think that Joran would have arranged to have his father meet him at McDonald’s. Don’t you think that would attract attention? (Though on the drug-infested island of Aruba, he might have thought that it could be dismissed as “just another tourist” OD’ing.)
Is it possible that PvdS concocted this story very soon after Natalee went missing (I don’t think we were given a date for when this story was heard) as an attempt to turn away suspicion? (”Look, I saw Natalee at 4 a.m. in the company of my son, so I know she was fine then and that he didn’t hurt her.”)
And then, when he realized that the case wasn’t going away, he decided to drop it?
I certainly wish we knew TO WHOM he made these comments.
All I can say now is … keep your seatbelts fastened. It looks like we’re still in for a wild ride.
And as always … keep up the pressure on Aruba.
And so this new information is said to be coming from the “interim” attorney general. Is it a recent discovery (meaning that they have just now put taps on the vdS phone) or does it date from the days of Karin Janssen (more likely the latter, I’d say)?
If so, how and why did she keep it suppressed … or did she? Maybe the Aruba court is now prepared to use the information, when it wasn’t before?
Is there some kind of agreement now that the “fix” is no longer in?
I certainly don’t know. Hopefully we will, soon.
This completely blindsides me. It explains so much. It explains why the K2s were never framed (except a vain attempt by Joran). It means that the prosecution was involved in the attempted frame of the two security guards (if she knew that Paulus picked Natalee and Joran up, and I think she did). It means that the prime suspects are a father and a son. It means that Natalee was still alive at 4:00 am.
Did two witnesses see Paulus pick Natalee and Joran up, or did they hear Paulus say he picked them up? How about it 1906. Put your analytical mind to work on this one.
This story does not change a thing. It just sets our worst fears, our assumptions, and our list of perps in concrete.
We have always thought that Paulus was present at Natalee’s death.
Anyone remember when I got off on investigating the hospital? Could they have taken Natalee to the E.R.? Thus we have the cash withdrawals.
Noble hands could have been padded. Even some that are not quite so noble. Something is coming to mind. I see it so clearly.
Maybe Paulus picked them up
NEAR McDonalds.
Does anyone remember Beth saying one of the MB kids got a call that Natalee was kidnapped?
I am wondering if this call was placed by the perps, to create a fake scenario that Natalee was kidnapped never to be found?
What is clear, is that Natalee died in the home of Paulus and Anita.
NO TIMELINE DEVELOPED BY ALE FOR PAULUS
NO SEARCH OF THE CRIME SCENE
AMENDING SEARCH WARRANTS ON SITE TO EXCLUDE THE CRIME SCENE
DIVERTING BETH AWAY FROM CRIME SCENE ON ARRIVAL
BLOOD SOAKED MATTRESS — AND CORRESPONDING FURNTITURE DELIVERY
VAN DER STRATTEN PROTECTING HIS FRIEND PAULUS
KARIN JANSSEN PROVIDING A LETTER TO HER FRIEND STATING HE WAS NO LONGER A SUSPECT (DESPITE ARUBAN LAW HAS A 2 YEAR INVESTIGATION PERIOD.
ALE NEVER IMPOUNDING PAULUS’ CAR!
ANITA CLAIMING HER CAMERA DISAPPEARED IN THE SEARCH…THAT NEVER TOOK PLACE.
PAULUS FRANTICALLY RESEARCHING DRUGS, ALCOHOL, AND ATTORNEYS FOR HE AND THE ACCOMPLICES.
Perhaps Paulus did bring the two home, she was in tough shape though from the pimps (wever, gottenboes, croimvert, etc.) raping and beating her. I still believe that there was a party at Paulus’ home with he and the pimps and something bad happened. The 4 am story may be either a Red Herring, or, they were moving Natalee’s body to a place near the MacDonalds at 4 am.
ARUBA……VOID JUDGEMENTS NOW! DUE TO CONFLICT OF INTEREST (THE JUDGE WAS A FRIEND OF PAULUS) AND BRING PAULUS IN NOW!
MD
IBE & JustMoma
I believe the beach walk with J was on 6/11/2005
Time to get the sporter back to talk to the reporters,the ropes getting shorter.Hangman Hangman, wait a little…
MOMENTS IN LIE - RUBA!!!
MARCH 2006
FOX NEWS - GRETA
Interviewer: Treated fairly or unfairly by the system here?
Joran van der Sloot: Yes, that’s… you know, that’s a hard question to answer because now that, you know, since you’ve been… you know, you lied… you lied to the police, I mean, how can you say… if anything, those days in jail, when I thought about it, I deserved those. I mean, it’s all been a learning experience for me, too. If anything, I deserved those days in jail because… just for being so… yes, so stupid, so… you
know, just thinking about yourself. And I think, if anything, that, you know, my father being in the legal system worked against me.
Interviewer: Why?
Joran van der Sloot: I don’t think… they took it harder on me because of that.
Interviewer: In terms of hard, which way?
Joran van der Sloot: Not treating you, you know, fairly, not treating you in the way they should have… they should have treated you because even the police did a lot of
things that police shouldn’t do during interrogations. I mean, everyone has the view that the police, you know, treated us in a different way because of that, but that’s
definitely not the case. I mean, we weren’t treated well by the police at all. I mean, not in any way, not in any aspect.
Interviewer: How? Give me an example.
Joran van der Sloot: I mean, one of the police officers hit me during interrogations. When he took me out of the room, he said, (DELETED) the cameras, and he hit me. I mean, they would come to talk to me in rooms, you know, when there’s no… when there’s no cameras and they’re not taping everything. They’d come and talk to me, and you know, fill (ph) your whole… almost make you… you know, make you go crazy. You know, they yell stuff at you, say stuff to you and… you know?
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SEPTEMBER 2006
CURRENT AFFAIR
Reporter: And what was it like in your cell?
Joran van der Sloot: In my cell it was, I was with two other people in my cell. The people were very nice. The guards were very nice. And I was treated well there. -J4N
Aruba not only had the evidence that would solve the Natalee Holloway case …. the “powers that be” in the investigation/government/justice system attempted to create smokescreens …. spokespersons were hired to create smokescreens …. posters were placed on internet forums to create smokescreens …. This was all done in a futile attempt to distance Paulus and Joran from being implicated in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and … make the case go away. Despicable!!!
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However, the “powers that be” in Aruba did not anticipate an amazing woman by the name of Beth Twitty to bring them to their knees. The determination and strength of this mother …. who was on a quest that dictated justice for her beloved daughter …. knew know bounds and was greatly underestimated.
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Janet
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BETH TWITTY
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‘Scarborough Country’
October 24, 2005
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HOLLOWAY TWITTY: …. I have told Prime Minister Oduber that I will do this, I will be the voice of Natalee for the next 40 years. And I hope I have that long, because I will do it as long as I can.
Maybe … just maybe … the house of cards referred to by Art Wood is beginning to collapse.
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ART WOOD
‘Rita Cosby Live & Direct’
December 2, 2005
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WOOD: …… But that’s why this case could be solved, Rita. The reason this case could still be solved is because there are so many people involved in Natalee’s disappearance and in the disposal of her body. When somebody talks, they’re going to all go down. This is like a house of cards.
Surely one person on Aruba has the balls to write or say the truth.Till then the island will sufer with lost tourism and the black eye of the caribean!
#75 - nobody on that island has balls or this would not have happened 20 times and “nothing ever went wrong”.
I again ask, where was younger VDL boy, Joran’s brother? I believe it was during Joran’s 2-part interview with Joran (maybe the one where he kept blinking and drinking water-the likes of someone who is guilty)that he mentioned his dad was at the casino, but had to go home to take care of his little brother because his mom (Anita) was out of town. What does this little brother know about all this? Nothing has ever been mentioned, and he was apparently at the VDS home all this time. Anyone know?
I’m glad to see they will be coming down….falling into their own lying stinkhole! It’s about time! I knew eventully all those lies wouldn’t hold up. There were too many involved for lies to withhold. I cannot wait for the day when those thugs are re-arrested and carried off for good!
PEACE BE WITH NATALEE
DANG, my inner alarm just went off. I
smell troll pootie.
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rocks close up of H2 & H3
http://tinyurl.com/2zc6mc
Boat
http://tinyurl.com/28jdr3
H1
http://tinyurl.com/2zsk9r
PPS Triangulation
http://tinyurl.com/ytu5qd
-J4N
#58 Mayan says:
Paulus had Anita’s celly??
was it clam color or shape
or something like that?
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Yes, it matches her chemise.
A little off the path of this discussion. But I just read in the Daily News. That GQ magazine plans on doing an article on Taco Joe. The title of the story is “1 800 Save My Ass” The story by Lisa DePaulo begins, Suspected of Murdering a blonde girl in Aruba? Having some problems with your appointment as home-land security chief? Made the mistake of having sex with Christie Brinkleys husband? Call Taco Joe, the best dressed, smooth-talking, hardest-working. Criminal defense attorney going, and for a mere $750 dollars an hour, everything will be OK. There is also a picture of him. With the Caption “Billable Hero”
I don’t know what I did wrong, doesn’t 4 + 5 = 9? I’ll try again.
Does anyone know what exactly Paulus said, was it that he picked up Joran and Natalee at McDonalds, or was it that he
picked THEM up at Mcdonalds? If it was them, he might have meant the Kalpoes, cause Natalee and Joran were already at his house. And maybe that’s what some of the cash withdrawals were about, hush money and ‘go get your car cleaned up’ money. And the camera was missing even before Anita arrived home. But who has it, is it’s missing a good thing or a bad thing?
Sorry, you wonderful Monkeys. This really gets to me sometimes and I have to back off. You are much stronger and better than I am. Love you all. J4N
LOL CARPE!~
i smell it too (troll pootie)
it was a clam color crabby!
Oh Pauley lost his spin to bankrupt on the wheel of misfortune. He thought he was gonna win but, tic, tic, ticc, OHHHH, dammm bankrupt. Our next contestants Deepak and Satish, your turn to spin the wheel of misfortune, your gonna need a big spin to pass the bankrupt in Calyforny-ia.
On our wheel you will see a free trip back to Aruba to face the music.
Miss-Understood i just love the personal twist you add to every aspect that rears its ugly head here!
You Rock Miss!~
Mayan
Good day to you.
All of you rock….refusing to let go or give up no matter what. Thats why the truth will prevail and if Aruba has any sense they will realize this.
No rest until justice is served Mayan…
Too bad this had to bring us together…If I ever need help this is the place to go.
Red…Tom….Klaas….Mrs. Red….Dana and Vanderbilt they are Primo, giving us this place to help bring justice for Natalee Holloway.
BTW Pauley almost of won a camera, on a spin.
This is FINALLY near conclusion!!! I say that because for the FIRST time since Day 1 — the actual FACTS are being admitted to and acknowledged by the Aruban/Dutch judicial system. The Authorities in Aruba have KNOWN from the beginning that Paulus LIED!!! Only now; are they having to acknowledge the truth. Our persistence has finally paid off — they have succombed to our pressure.
Aruba gambled (and lost) that we would simply forget and move on. Only now do I really think we are about to get justice for Natalee!
It’s been a long time since I’ve posted as “kris” and will now post as “KrisG”.
I am so glad this new information about Paulus is coming out. Many of us think he is much more involved and that the VDS residence is the scene of the crime.
Aruba: You should know that there are still many people spreading Natalee’s story and keeping the boycott alive. My husband and I decided to drive from Chicago to Taos, NM for our Christmas family reunion. All along the way at rest stops, gas stations and other public bulletin boards, including the Taos Visitor’s Center, I posted my “Boycott Aruba-Find Natalee Holloway” bumper stickers.
Holloway and Twitty family members we are still out here hoping and praying that justice for Natalee will come.
Wreck:
I agree with you 100%!
Here is the link for the transcript of the secretly recorded conversation between the three suspects in the back of the squad car:
I think it’s interesting that one of the topics that they talk about is that of a lie told by Joran (I assume in his statement to police) about Satish going back and picking up Natalee from the beach.
I’ve already posted my thoughts on a previous thread, but I thought you might find it interesting to review this in light of Joran and Natalee being picked up by Paulus.
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=95
It is still very interesting, indeed, with all the threats being thrown into the direction of the Kalpoes… even death threats!
Note:
It sounds to me that the Kalpoe’s are saying that they’ve come clean in their statements to the police, even about the chollar, for their own benefit.
They keep urging Joran to simply tell the truth…
is that possible?
this news has made my day.i dont post much any more but i check out scaredmonkeys everyday 4 up dates.
Great quotes.. All Joran has done is lie and deny, let 2 innocent men sit in jail for 9 days, and lie some more, yet he says, I do what my family tells me to do.
Joran: The only thing that I can think of is my family. I do what my family tells me to do. Right, retard.
Here HE’S THE VICTIM again of Natalee and the MB students. Hey Joran last I looked you are alive and going to college. I would say Natalee could use these lines , were she alive to do so.
Prime Suspect J. SLOOT:(LOONIE TUNES) I don’t have anything to say to Beth, not one thing at all. WAGSCHAL: What are your memories of Natalee like? Prime Suspect J. SLOOT: I don’t really have that many memories. I mean, I knew her for one night. I feel stupid…I feel horrible that I even went out that night without my father knowing. I SHOULD’VE JUST STAYED HOME AND THIS WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED TO ME. IT WOULD’VE HAPPENED TO ANOTHER PERSON. I try to look at it, that I WAS IN THE WRONG PLACE AT THE WRONG TIME. MAYBE EVEN THE WRONG PEOPLE. And I just hope that the truth comes out. That this comes to some clarity in this case.
Another great quote from Anita..This after Paulus is in a casino with his underage son drinking and gambling.
“If we would have had any feeling that he was involved in something, Paul would have taken him to the police station and said: ‘Here, hold him, he did something. He deserves his punishment,’” Anita van der Sloot said.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/LegalCenter/story?id=1584429&page=2
I’ve thought about these revelations all day, and they don’t persuade me that Aruba is suddenly changing course and seeking justice.
My own interpretation is that someone in the Aruban government had enough sense to realize that a bigger payment to PvdS would be like waving a red flag to us boycott advocates. And Aruba doesn’t have the money anyway.
So they looked back and found something (surely there’s much more than they need) to justify voiding any award.
Unfortunately, that doesn’t necessarily indicate that they will be any more adamant in pushing for justice. We’ll see.
As far as I know, the ball is still in the Dutch court. No pun intended.
Nor, of course, should this or any comment by PvdS be taken at face value. Just because he may have said it doesn’t make it true.
An idea … does anyone remember which law firm on Aruba PvdS is now working for? It might be well to research it (if possible) and find out if it has any American clients.
If so, and if PvdS ever is formally declared to be a suspect again, we can be ready to write to these clients pointing out that a member of a law firm they retain is a suspect in the disappearance/rape/murder of an American citizen. Surely there must be ethical law firms, even on Aruba.
The Holloway nightmare of Van der Sloot
| The Holloway case |
Saturday February 17th
Son Valentijn did not welcome the arrival of me, a journalist. “Dad, haven’t you got better things to do on a Sunday afternoon, because there is a chance that you will say things you are going to regret or that everything is going to be twisted and turned around again”, that was what Valentijn had just said to his father Paul van der Sloot in a very parentally protective way.
And yes, he too had doubted until the last moment whether or not he should call and cancel. On that internal discussion, that dilemma, he falls back regularly. What to do? Do they as a family try, as normally as possible and far away from the media, to get on with their lives? Or should they speak out? “Perhaps, just perhaps” reasons Van der Sloot sr. as to why he had not canceled, “maybe something positive will come out of all the negative. Maybe people going through something like this themselves will learn from our experiences because crisis-situations are very alike”.
But the crisis situation in which the van der Sloot family is in since the Natalee Holloway mysteriously disappeared on May 30th of 2005, is truly very bizarre indeed. The American girl was celebrating a graduation party with her fellow student on “One Happy Island”. Van der Sloot was subsequently held for three days on the police station, his son was in jail until early September, because of suspicion of involvement in the disappearance of the American girl.
Now it is quiet around the bungalow in Montana. The sons Valentijn (17) and Sebastian (12) are with friends. Van der Sloots wife Anita is in the Netherlands to support Joran, who is suffering from mono (Mononucleosis), with the release of his book that is due out in April. We too are writing some things down. If you write things down, you have to deal with it it and that is something that we are hard at work to do. You think that writing things down will give it a place. It is difficult get closure on something like this. I hope that the final verdict in the lawsuit for compensation will be something like closure for me.
That is possible now: last week the judge ruled that Paul van der Sloot was indeed held without justification, but he did not award him any compensation for it.
Wouldn’t it have been better to release just one book, with all of your stories in it?
“Yes, that would have been something that I would have preferred, but Joran was already in contact with the publisher. He doesn’t sugercoat his actions in the book. It is good that he is doing this, but it also comes with lots of tension for him. For exaomple, How will people react to it? Can he get his message across?”.
But that is nothing compared to the fear and the tension of when Joran was arrested.
“All those weeks I was very calm. You move above the situation so to speak. The situation itself was so bizarre. Almost like being in trance, a sort of state meditation. You keep being able to organize things, and it was indeed very important during that time to be there for each other and to organize things”.
How was it to be confined to your house due to a horde of media representatives that had posted themselves outside of your front-door?
“I had been at home from the beginning, I was unable to continue my legal work at the courthouse. With the president of the Court I had agreed that I would take a leave of absence to make sure there was not even the appearance of conflict of interest. Anita did not miss a day of schoolwork at the school she works on. Everyday we went to Joran at the police. A lot of support came from the people where we live, from acquaintances and friends. They tried to shield us from the media-assault. Valentijn and Sebastian went to friends in the States. There they were safely taken in and protected from everything. We had tried from the beginning to always look on the positive side of things. The family bond grew stronger and stronger”.
Are you filled with feelings of animosity towards the media, the big American stations and the journalists who followed every move you made?
“No, it is more that we wonder: how could this have happened? And especially sadness and feelings of anger. The journalists we came into contact with, all had their own agendas. They were out for the easy story and failed to do any research”.
“Especially when Joran got out, it became intense. He, even though we had advised him not to, did not avoid the media. He did not really do badly with the interviews, but then it was put through a spin cycle that the end result did not reflect what was said.”.
“We had also not realized that it was a hype in the Netherlands too. We were startled by the fact that we were met by a horde of journalists when we arrived at Schiphol. Even now strange things happen. Peter R. de Vries stood on the doorstep of the house without any notification. You are being treated like public property. The media are trying to create an image of good and evil. You see yourself back through the eyes of the media and they portray you a person that is nothing like you. Most people realize that and see through it, others are not able to fully do that and they see that image at least as partly real. It is very difficult to stay authentic.”.
On the internet you have been completely dissected.. Dozens of pictures of Joran and your entire family. All kinds of details of his and your life.
“The internet is a source of information, but also a gutter. Anything is possible, everything is allowed. And the media are open to it, they use things from it. First you are shocked and feel powerless. But is all belongs to this false reality we have rolled into”.
There were more players in the Holloway case than the media. The Public Prosecution office, the Aruban government and Natalee’s parents.
The public prosecutions office had a complete tunnel vision and become totally frustrated. The ease with which Joran was badmouthed! The ease with which police officers kept making comments! Police Chief Dompig who goes around saying: ‘The boys are as guilty as hell’. Words that were easily lapped up by the hungry media. Friends of Joran were arrested for no other reason then being a friend of Joran. That of all things hurt me most. In the beginning Joran was not questioned enough, only a few times. If the police had pressed on at that time, Joran would have told the real story much sooner”.
“The police was busy with the media, the prosecution office had completely lost the plot. In the beginning I had pleaded with the police to question Joran, to make sure no details would get lost. It is startling that the Prosecution Office completely lost control of the handing the investigation. The Prosecution Office’s image had become more important than the case itself. Especially Joran’s life was very interesting and all kinds of things were completely thrown onto the streets”.
Also by Natalee’s parents?
“The first thing that you want to do is give support to the parents. However you look at it, Joran left their daughter on the beach, and for that we feel responsible. A contact like that has not taken place, even though one could have been there for each other. We would have so much wanted to support them. But it was made impossible for us. They got the media involved the very first evening”.
“In the end they too got caught in the media web. We really tried to get in touch with them, but they were absolutely not interested in that. They frustrated the investigation and have been very unfair to Joran and the entire island. As parents of a missing child you get a lot of leeway, but they needlessly hurt a lot of people. And that too, will not bring back their daughter.”
Still the case keeps surrounded by something. What exactly happened on that beach? Her disappearance remains a mystery.
“As long as it is not exactly clear what happened to her, the case is not done. Joran didn’t immediately come out with the real story. That is something he now really regrets. That he did this is explainable by the fact that Natalee family came on strong towards him from the get go, but it was wrong, and inexcusable. The dutch police is looking at the case now as a ‘cold case’. I expect the Prosecution Office will close the dossier in June. But somehow I hope that an independent spirit is still looking into this case and that he will solve the case”.
Joran has become a famous citizen of the world. Someone googling his name on the net will get 100,000 ‘hits’. Has that made him feel important?
“Joran wants to live a normal life as a student. But the whole case did have an enormous impact on him. On all kinds of aspects of his life. The normal conflicts you have as a parent of a seventeen year old teen have been made impossible. We think it would be a good thing if he would take a year off and go to Africa to be a volunteer. Then he can truly life anonymously. He, like many other young people in the world, does not know what real poverty is. He can find out what that is in the developing world.”.
“What hurts a lot has been the character assassination of Joran. All his teenage secrets were blown out of all proportions and used to from a certain image. But on the whole, he is doing well. He is incredibly strong. He wants to keep studying and has built up a new social life for him. He was really well received by everyone at the school in Arnhem. On that school there are people who did not let the media frenzy influence them and who were willing to give Joran a chance without any hesitation. On the first day of school Joran told his story in class. Once they tried to get him in the Netherlands. That was our worst fear, that this media frenzy would lead to attacks on him by someone that was mentally unstable. Luckily it did not go any further than some pushing and pulling.
And the father, how is it for him to get back to his life on Aruba?
“When this happened I was in the middle of a change. In 2004-2005 I had been working in Den Bosch as a judge in training for civil court. I had worked very hard there and had learned a lot, but when the end of my training period loomed, I got the feeling that I was not yet ready for being a judge. I have now been working in a small lawyer firm for about a year. I feel at home there. As a lawyer you are almost like a life-line for the people and I can relate to that, I have experienced how it is on their side.”.
“I mostly do corporate cases and mediation, but also criminal and civil cases. I have had the experience to see all sides of the legal world. Government, Public Prosecution office, judge and I have also been a suspect. Because of that completely absurd and illogical behavior of the Public Prosecution office, I have had fears for a while at least. Fears like: “Maybe the fools will come and arrest me, Anita or one of the children again”.
Regardless of everything that has happened, does your future still lie on Aruba?
“We feel a connection to Aruba. We have immediately tried to get on with our life here and to not let us get sidetracked by it. So far we have been doing pretty good on that front. A few times I have had to fend off an annoying American from getting to us. A lot of Arubans support us. Many Arubans live very pure, have their own life-wisdoms and do not get mislead by the media. Aruba is a tight community with a great feeling of togetherness. In that way all of this negativity that gets heaped on oneself, at some point becomes the starting point for beautiful new experiences.”.
Courtesy BFN/Rammstein
Link to Dutch newspaper publishing interview:
http://www.brabantsdagblad.nl/
I think the interview appears in a special section called “Spectrum.”
source-http://tinyurl.com/yosgap
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Second, According to Joran, he snuck out of his home at 11 PM, yet was not picked up until 12:15 - 12:25 AM by the Kalpoe’s. Where was Joran from the time he left the casino and 12:15 - 12:25 AM? I doubt he is sitting in his front yard waiting for the Kalpoe’s to arrive. If Paulus Van Der Sloot is not home, as he claims, it is unlikely that Joran snuck out at all, and could have been out and about from the time he exits the casino and wherever the Kalpoe’s actually pick him up.
You have two of the main suspects with unaccounted for time. According to Joran, Paulus went home to feed a brother dinner . As with everything Joran has said, you can bet that is a lie also. He has no credibility. Early reports have Paulus Van Der Sloot returning from Holland via Curacao to Aruba alone. The other children traveled with Anita Van Der Sloot when she returned on Wednesday.
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( Oh SH-NAP. Great goobily GOOP!!!!… you’ve got a situation here where the kid is running the show! He’s pulling the switches and throwing levers behind the curtain. He is the all powerful OZ.)
It is almost just like the movie HOME ALONE!!!
Only completely different…
Instead of Macaulay Culkin, it’s big 7 foot ‘Lurch’ looking muggerfuzzle in a pair of ’super-fly’ wooden shoes.
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Would Paulus like a little cheese with his whineeee?! Woe is me.. It was the media, it was Natalee, it was her parents, yeah that’s the ticket. Natalee just “mysteriously” disappeared on that little island and Joran put her on the beach. Paulus was that before or after you said you picked Natalee and Joran up at 4am? Why does Joran say Satish picked him up and Satish and Deepak say, they never picked him up that night? Paulus why are you and Joran walking around with over 1000 police files on Natalee’s case?
“The Holloway nightmare of Van der Sloot”
………words escape me!!!!!!!
(but I have NO DOUBT the “people of the ditch” ARE having nightmares!!!!!)
Well, I certainly plan to e-mail the editor in chief.
Any other takers?
Am I safe in assuming that he/she can read English?
sounds to me like at the time of this interview, paulus fully expected to collect on his lawsuit. thinks it will help give his family closure. right. i do think he may have been correct thinking he had a connection to the island and will stay there. he can’t afford to have anyone else taking liberties like searching the premises for natalee or what happened to her there. the polis are at fault, natalee was at fault, the prosecution was at fault, the media was at fault, natalee’s family was at fault, am i leaving anyone out that paulus blames this on? everyone is at fault except the sporter. i’d imagine the interviewer is still suffering severe gastric distress and nausea from having to write all that garbage up.
dennisintn
I beleave Paulus works for Antonio Carlo(Joran’s Lawyer)
Something still stinks!! If the prosecution knew that paulus picked them both up at 4am why did everything they put out say the opposite?? WHy did they have a renactment with a totally false timeline? They have had us on wild goose chases and looking everywhere else. First dompig stated that there was no proof that anyone had sex with natalee then on tape behind close doors he states that the boys did have sex with her.
Paulus has cost the country of aruba dearly. Millions and Millions were lost. He has a dirty little secret that he cares not to share with natalees family. What right does he have? He has admitted he knows what happened but cant tell or it would hurt too many people.
I think its time the good people of aruba lynch this guy. What right does he have to play god with someones daughter? What right does he have to hold a whole country hostage? Beth and Dave deserve to know what happened to there daughter. Paulus deserves the maximum punishment.
To Justicefornatalee- thanks for the link. I emailed them my thoughts on the article. Not sure it went to the right place though.
I think we have all known that paulus is the one who picked up joran and natalee that night. I beleave the K2 brothers were honest when they said they dropped him off. However it is the only thing they were honest about.
Who was on the computer at 3.30 am if it wasnt joran? Well it could only be a couple of people. Remember we learned that his good friend freddy was a houseguest that night. Maybee paulus was all gakked out on one of the many drugs that are all over that island. The wife was away and that meant paulus and joran could play.
You could tell by the interview of Paulos and Anita at their home with Greta and Beth, that Anita looked “furious” when she looked at Paulos. And he was sweating profusely. The message was right there in their faces that day that Paulos was involved and Anita knew it!!
Direct link for contacting editor regarding Paulus’s interview:
http://www.brabantsdagblad.nl/
I plan to write in English. From what I understand,
most educated Dutch citizens understand English.
Paules & Anita created this frankenstein monster Jurine, he learned from his daddy’s hip how to lie cheat & scam you’re way through life. To disregard young girls and women in general, to manhandle them & drug them and rape them. If you have a daughter or niece you’d want to kill this beast of a human being.
I’m not even repsonding to that laughable load of BS up there, these men took Natalee away….forever.
Thats when you forfeit you’re life aswell.
just sitting here thinking about paulus’ interviews on tv and and comparing them to tonight’s fantasies, i’m all ready up to 6 discrepancies in what he said tonight compared to his other little speeches. he’s as bad as the sporter about remembering prior lies.
dennisintn
Well, Mayan, it IS baloney.
But we can’t just let Paulus get away with spin.
Absolutely not going to let em get away with that spin Justice bit i’m just like hahaha is that it? Thats the best you could do eh? Are you drinking alot more since your husband & son led Natalee away Anita?
Oh and you are not famous goonboy, you & your family are fodder for ridicule & disgust.
Wonder how many pimp(les) on Aruba will think twice before doing things you can’t take back…maybe some…maybe none. But consider yourself warned when you look at the mess Jurine & Paul & Kalpukes have made out of their lives.
Deepak-
I asked him if he had had sex with the girl. He said that they went into the water briefly and that after that they sat down on the beach and the girl had fallen asleep, that is what I understood. His actual words were that the girl “passed out” on the beach and that he left her there. I asked him why he had left her there. He answered that she would be leaving the same day and that someone would find her there. I cursed him/told him off for the fact that he had left her there. I even told him he was sick for doing that to the girl. I have to tell you there was a lot of disturbance on the phone. It happened several times that I could not hear Joran. At some point it was so bad that he said that when he would get home, he would come online.
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I wonder if he got water in his cellphone?
I just want to say our prayers are with the Holloway family.
It is unbelievable Aruba sat on this information about Paulus.I hope Aruba re-arrest Joran & Paulus in the next week. I hope Holland police investigators find who was helping the Van Der Sloots. Finally, they need to bring Natalee’s remains home.
Did Paulus meet Natalee the first time at the casino as the casino video may show?
Joran knows part of what happened, Paulus knows all of what happened. It is obvious to so many that these two were involved.
It is time for this case to be solved, or I believe the damage to tourism will be absolutely irreparable.
Aruba, Netherlands, If you care about your tourism so much, then it is time for you to solve this case!
I see lots of new posters lately that are in support of Natalee and all that care, so I believe it is safe to assume that the boycott is going to get stronger from this point on.
Justice for Natalee!
Boycott Aruba And the Netherland Antilles and help keep Beth and Daves hopes alive!
Could it be possible that Jorans staement “I would laugh if they find the girl alive” Mean that other girls have been found dead after Paulus had been with them last?
Tear up the concrete around the pool! There may be many surprises lurking just below the surface!
Does anyone know who authorized and paid for the Claussen Detective Agency’s trip to Aruba? They say in their report that an informant told them that Natalee was taken to the Lion’s Den. However the telephone service at 17 Noord is registered to a dental clinic. Nothing more was ever heard from this agency and no one else questioned the informant that until this day his identity is unknown.
Meanwhile, the negative “karma” for launching a new service to Aruba is continuing to weigh on JetBlue. Here’s part of a press release from Saturday, Feb. 17:
JetBlue Airways Pre-Cancels 23 Percent of its Scheduled Flights for Feb. 17 and Feb. 18, 2007
Saturday February 17, 5:56 am ET
NEW YORK, Feb. 17, 2007 (PRIME NEWSWIRE) — JetBlue Airways today announces that it has pre-cancelled 23 percent of its Saturday, Feb. 17 and Sunday, Feb. 18 schedule in order to reset the operation by positioning all aircraft and allowing flight crews to reset their operating clocks. Further cancellations may occur throughout the operating days.
(end of quote)
Unfortunately, the Aruba flight is not on the list of cancelled services.
JusticeforNatalee (#97), do you know the date of that interview? It almost looks to me as though it were a prepared media handout … it seems to be so oblivious to the everyday reality of the case.
It also says the court agreed that PvdS was held unjustly, although no damages were awarded. That sounds contrary to common sense, given that damages were indeed initially awarded, and we haven’t heard anything (to my knowledge) about the court saying detention was unjust. Quite the contrary.
It makes you laugh (with repulsion), that bit about wanting dear little Joran to go off to Africa for a year and do humanitarian service so as to open his eyes to the reality of life. Where in Africa are the casinos where he could drink and gamble, though underage?
“Aruba is a tight community with a great feeling of togetherness. In that way all of this negativity that gets heaped on oneself, at some point becomes the starting point for beautiful new experiences.”
Excuse me while I go bend over the toilet….
“Joran didn’t immediately come out with the real story.”
And he hasn’t yet, either, right? Remember, PvdS, that your son emailed the Greta van Susteren show saying that someday he would tell the real story … but not now?
Still hasn’t, has he? Why don’t you get him to do that, for a start?
There was also information that Natalee’s room key had been used once or twice during the night of the disppearance. If Paulus dirt bag and his son on father son night in Aruba did take NH from Mac D’s to the hotel, and entered her room, then left with her again.
Remember Deepak’s statement in the back of the car, “your own father……”
Paulus has been up to his neck in this from the beginning.
in the words of Shango….
“DirtyHand and the Lions must see the light of Arawak Day, or forever walk in plentiful fields.
The dead shall eternally sleep if a clamour is not made.
Lamb and the Elder are stepping stones into the fetid pool of deception. ”
Keep the clamor up monkeys…..keep the pressure going,,,
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
No YoYo? Surely he has thoughts about the denial of compensation.
From the monthly bulletin of the Central Bank of Aruba for December 2006:
In the first eleven months of 2006, stay-over visitors and total nights spent on the island shrank cumulatively by 6.8 percent and 5.1 percent, respectively.
hmm.
wouldn’t the second contact be, when he supposedly sits with j|nh at the pokertable?
Skyboxx (#124), do you know if that information ever was confirmed about the use of Natalee’s key that night?
Assuming malignant motives on the part of whoever had Natalee at that time (a safe assumption, it seems to me), it’s hard to imagine that they would bring her back to the hotel (never mind the condition she probably would have been in), let her go into her room and leave it again … where the other MB students were sleeping! … and then somehow have her leave again.
None of us believes that Natalee vanished of her own accord. And her money, luggage, etc. was found in her room.
So I can’t fathom any motive for anyone letting her return there, or thinking that she wouldn’t have taken action to secure her safety once there.
I agree with Richard. There were 3 keys to Natalee’s room at the HI. The key Natalee was using was not used since about 7:30pm the night before (if I recall correctly). It was one of her roomates that used the key later that night. Natalee NEVER returned to the HI. There is absolutely no corroberation that she did.
Here’s something that these recent revelations bring to mind:
We know that the New York judge, in the family’s suit vs. Joran van der Sloot, threw the case out of court because that judge thought Aruba was the proper venue for it.
The family (as far as I know, anyway) do not know what information is in the files of the Aruba police. I believe they have said as much.
It seems clear that there is more there than we know … this stuff about the two witnesses is new.
So I’m wondering whether they might be giving new thought to the idea of filing suit on Aruba. Obviously I don’t know, but when stuff like this comes out it must make everyone wonder what else is in Aruba police files that hasn’t been divulged.
If such a suit were to be filed, does Dutch/Aruba law (whatever it may be) mandate that the Aruba police open their files to the family’s attorneys? Or is that only for the defense?
Aruba/Dutch Investigators and the NEW ATTORNEY GENERAL;
On monday, please demand the IMMEDIATE retraction of the letter written by Karin Janssen of the justice department declaring that Paulus Van Der Sloot was NO LONGER A SUSPECT in the case.
Karin Janssen had severe CONFLICT OF INTEREST in writing this letter. Further, though Karin Janssen wrote this letter for her friend, Paulus, she did not provide a similar letter for the two black guys, Wever, Croimvert, Kalpoes, Joran, Croes, and others that have been arrested or brought in for questioning.
It is this letter, that the Aruban Justice System and Paulus’ black robed judicial buddies, have used to orchestrate declaring legally in court that Paulus is ‘NO LONGER A SUSPECT’ in the disapearance, kidnapping, rape, heavy battery, and murder of Natalee Holloway.
Karin Janssen is gone. The new Attorney General can do this on Monday without any legal wranglings involved. That document should not be legally binding and can be reversed based on new evidence and Karin Janssen’s conflict of interest. If Aruba, and the Dutch, have any desire to wrap this case up, this will be done on Monday morning.
On Tuesday, the new Attorney General needs to file to reverse the judgement of Paulus’ black robed buddies declaring Paulus ‘No Longer a Suspect’ in the case siting 1) Conflict of Interest of the prior prosecutor in providing the letter; 2) Conflict of Interest with the judge that made the ruling; and 3) NEW INFORMATION HAS COME FORWARD THAT WAS NOT KNOWN OR HEARD IN THE PRIOR CASE THAT WAS BEFORE THE COURT (this being, Paulus’ timeline and taped phone conversations that appear to have been intentionally withheld by Paulus’ friend, Karin Janssen, who was operating under incredible CONFLICT OF INTEREST).
In addition, to show you are serious, you need to ask for an EMERGENCY HEARING and ruling on the case so that it can promptly be adjudicated and Paulus can be rearrested immediately (sorry, can’t use the Curacao plane delay excuse again). None of this dragging out for months crap. The house of cards should be collapsed quickly rather than through game playing.
So….are you serious Aruba/Dutch? Really serious??? This case will not be solved without these steps and bringing Paulus in for his crimes….and it is time you swallow the pill and take your medicine. Aruba’s reputation and tourism will recover quicker the faster you deal with this and show America and other tourists that they will be protected when they come to spend money on your island.
md
131 - Richard,
I don’t think it would be fruitful for the Holloways to file on Aruba.
I think you may be viewing this as a Holloway vs Van Der Sloot battle. If this were the case, maybe a lawsuit should be filed in Aruba directly against the VDS. However, the civil suit would most likely be put on hold until the completion of the criminal investigation so that no evidence would be delivered.
The main reason why a suit would be worthless is that this isn’t a case of the Holloway’s vs the VDS’s. It is a case about corruption. It is a case about favors delivered by judges and members of the justice department to protect their friend.
In American legal circles…this is called ‘Home Cooking’. Protect your own. Whether it is Dutch protecting the Dutch in Aruba; or Judges protecting Attorneys in America (ever wonder why there are 20 pages of attorneys willing to file malpractice suits against doctors in your local yellow pages….but, you won’t find one attorney in your yellow pages advertising to sue fellow attorneys for malpractice? Protect each other….).
A lawsuit against the VDS’s would only deflect away from what has really gone on. Aruba will have to come clean on this and it will damage the reputations of both their judicial and justice systems with the backdoor cronyism and deals cut to protect their friend, Paulus.
If a suit is filed….it should be against the justice and judicial branches of Aruba….but, this is like suing city hall —– they will protect and cover each other before delivering justice to the Holloways. md
Richard:
Exactly… that was one of the problems that the family had with the officials. Instead of being like the U.S. where the family of a victim are kept informed of the developments in a case, Aruba held everything they did in secrecy. They went beyond being tight-lipped. That was one of the reasons that Beth started writing everything down, religiously. She didn’t feel that the police and the investigators were making note of anything… especially, the inconsistancies in their stories.
They couldn’t even agree on whether Joran went to school that day… or what time he went to school… or how he got there! If my son was being questioned about a missing girl that I had met the night before, I’d remember everything! I’d be on “parent alert” questioning everything he did, if not out of suspicion of him, then out of suspicion of his buddies. I’d want to know where my son is! I’d know if my son left a bag at the country club and whether I had to go back to retrieve it, but with Paulus, he didn’t recall anything because he didn’t want to get caught in a lie, in case there were witnesses. He talks about how sure he is of his son’s innocence, while at the same time, he is unwilling to provide any REAL information about anything, including the most simple of things.
I have always thought that Natalee went back to the Holiday Inn.
There were a lot of strange things that happened there, that night. The prowler, that resulted in the locking of certain entrances to the casino! That is unusual, isn’t it? Why would they lock entrances to the casino? They have plenty of security at a casino, don’t they? All those camera’s rolling…
Why did Paulus call the casino, first thing the next morning?
A witness said that they saw a girl being put into the back of a pick-up. A witness said that a screaming girl was being forced into a car.
Why is it so hard for people to believe that Natalee returned to the hotel… maybe to the casino, for a night cap, of just to have a good time with the big-time gambler and his friends that worked there? That doesn’t seem like an odd thing for a girl to do.
There are plenty of entrances to a hotel, but what if you’re walked to an entrance and it’s locked, on purpose, so when you get there, someone can nab you?
Just the fact that someone reported a prowler outside the hotel/casino makes me suspicious when someone who was staying in that hotel ~ disappears from the face of the earth.
Surely this explains Dompigs statement that the boys are guilty as hell and he thought Pauls was involved also
Nice to hear Paulus whining about closure, as if Natalee’s family will ever have closure in never seeing their daughter again. Who will buy a book written by him or Joran? He says Joran don’t sugar coat things in it. I would bet money were Natalee able to come back and write a book, she wouldn’t sugar coat things about Joran, Paulus or the K2 either. Ad Naseum he has told his side of the story and changed it everytime. Now he’s trying to make money off of another version. Kinda convenient, since Natalee isn’t here to tell her side even once? Wonder why? MrNobodyNoCase. It was the Kalpoes, the media, the Ale, the prosecution, the media, Natalee, her family. Maybe when Paulus is talking about the internet being a gutter, he’s referring to the 2 porn movies downloaded the night Natalee disappeared.
Another thing I notice in his article, he describes in detail what was going on at the time Natalee disappeared. What happened to his frequent amnesia or should I say selective amnesia. He can’t tell us if Joran went to school on Monday, but a year and a half later, he can tell us Anita went everyday and didn’t miss a day. Take a polygraph Paulus and Joran. I hope everyone boycott’s the books. I would rather donate to Texas Equisearch then give a penny to either of them.
Ironic Joran says he should’ve stayed home and this would’ve happened to someone else. Last I recall, it was him who said he had done this 20 times before and nothing happened, not Natalee.
To listen to them talk, Natalee forced herself on them, and forced her way into the car and held all of them hostage just to be with them only to force them to leave her on the beach, because she wanted to be alone. Loonie Tunes.
134. Patti
If Paulus Van der Sloot was the one who picked up Natalee and Joran at McDonalds at 4:00 AM on the morning of May 30, 2005 and dropped Natalee safely off at the Holiday Inn … why would he not have revealed this info to a desperate mother and step-father the minute they arrived at his door step seeking answers to … their precious daughter was missing. Paulus has never indicated that he had ever met Natalee and …. when you consider all the inconsistencies (lies) related by Joran, Deepak and Satish. Patti, the principle is absolute … lies are created to hide the truth.
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I believe that Paulus Van der Sloot was in the area of the Marriot Beach on the morning of May 30, 2005 but it was not to pick up Natalee and Joran. I suspect this father had been summoned by his desperate son …. “something bad had happened”.
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I adhere to TJ Ward’s contention.
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Court TV - Catherine Crier
September 26
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CC: TJ, your thoughts about the interview?
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TJ: Well, we still think that something happened to her, she passed out. Even according to Beth when she was on Dr. Phil the information from Joran that something happened, that she was in and out, in and out. We think something did happen to her and she apparently had a passed out had a heart attac